Never understood how a country can dictate terms to another
By vanny
@vandana7 (100618)
India
September 21, 2023 10:21pm CST
I have long advocated a uniform set of laws across the board by the United Nations. Standardization so to say.
Thereafter...each country can have its own set of modifications specifically indicating where the law is altered.
That way, what is right in my country cannot be wrong in yours, as easily. And the lawyers have fewer chances of getting richer. In the process, they would not be increasing their charges rapidly too, being less employed.
But then I digress. The recent sulking of India vs. Canada is an example of what I would have prevented.
I am never for force. I am for convincing. I am confident I can convince, given a chance, and willingness to listen. I am also confident that people are willing to give others a chance unless their sentiments are played about by priests, politicos as well as media (including celebrities). At times, silence of priests, celebrities and/or leaders is read as agreement with the prevailing issues.
We need to give others a chance to express their grievance.
Going outside the country and using the subtle pressures of minority voting on becoming the citizens is not ok. Nor is threatening the political image. Or protests to act upon some issues in another country.
Exceptions to rule exist. When there is genocide as it was in 1984. Or when there is Ukraine war. Or when it was in Nazi Germany. But in general, holding another country to ransom for independence is something that is hard to digest. Religion is personal. Not a national issue. Not a political issue. It should not be part of the system at all. Religion does not say provide security to citizens, provide roads, provide hospitals, provide jobs, provide law and order, provide education, provide housing. The portfolios are different. Why are the two being intermingled? Politicos and social media, and of course, the television media. So ..yeah...the Canada India conflict that we are witnessing now has its base in religion somewhere. That is disturbing.
It will do India good if it calls for dialogue rather than dictate terms to another nation. Cancelling visas to Canadians? How many Indians want Canadian visa and how many Canadians seek Indian visa? Laughable stuff.
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@Deepizzaguy (104278)
• Lake Charles, Louisiana
22 Sep 23
I know what you mean since we are all together and we should respect the laws of each nation.
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@vandana7 (100618)
• India
22 Sep 23
Issue surfaces when laws are in conflict. Then we can reason out. Case to case. How can we tell another country, you are not doing anything to control people desecrating the Hindu temples. Or for that matter even the local Hindus objecting to it. The nation did not ask you to import religion that did not form its basics. You wanted to immigrate, you did, and so you gotta take care of it, without contravening any laws of the country. That is what I meant.
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@Deepizzaguy (104278)
• Lake Charles, Louisiana
22 Sep 23
@vandana7 I understand where you are coming from now. I stand corrected.
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@vandana7 (100618)
• India
22 Sep 23
@LadyDuck When they are migrating leaving their mother land behind, they should know what they will not be getting and what they are getting. Not merely the monetary benefits. I see protests by various groups in different countries. Unless it is genocide, it is not justified at all.
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@LadyDuck (472087)
• Switzerland
22 Sep 23
@vandana7 - I agree with you Vanny. I hate to see the country "imitate" other countries and lose their identity. The difference is important, we must keep our language, our traditions, our differences. A flat world will be a boring world.
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@vandana7 (100618)
• India
22 Sep 23
I have not said it should not have its own set of rules. I said basic rules should be uniform across the board. Then...like an addendum ...rule number 5...modification for America...xyz. Rule number 7 modification for America. That way ..numbers remain the same, and we understand the laws better before migrating. Disturbing another country after migrating is not ok.
In Canada, Sikhs are seeking independence from India. What can Canadians do and why should Canada help them - not its job, isn't it? Sikhs are venting by desecrating Hindu temples. I am sure Canada has its set of rules. Rules based on which the Hindus residing there migrated. Rules about which India knew, and when those citizens migrated it let them move out without telling them, look this can happen, and we won't help you, if it does. Nah...at that point of time, remittances blinded the eye. So they let the Indians become Canadian citizens. Now, we want to support the religious sentiments of those Hindus there. What right have we? Unless it is genocide.
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@Daljinder (23236)
• Bangalore, India
25 Sep 23
There are about 300,000 Indian students on Student visas in Canada. One of them is my husband's cousin brother. Indian students make 30-40 % of their total foreign student capital. Then there are Permanent Residents who still hold a Indian citizenship. My cousin brother, his wife, and his two little girls are in Canada on PR. Let's estimate it to be around the same number of students. Other Indians are there on work visas through their employers, Then there are Temporary Resident Visas.
There are over a million Canadians of Indian origin living in Canada. A significant number of these return to India during winter months to visit their families. These people need Indian visas which have been curtailed as of now. This comes under a tourist visa.
We haven't yet calculated Canadians as tourists yet. So, this definitely is a significant number.
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@vandana7 (100618)
• India
25 Sep 23
@Daljinder DJ .. when it boils down to terrorists ...people don't distinguish between Khalistanis and Sikhs majority. Do they? 1984 saw what it was.
So kinda..crescendo builds up. I don't want you to feel insecure. But it would also not be a good idea to not be aware of surroundings.
Like we cannot differentiate between Sikhs and Khalistanis, Trudeau too cannot easily make out whom to believe.
If he is saying give credible proof, we need to give such that local Sikhs and other communities can take a stand.
Not that the risk of another Kanishka does not exist. For that, only Modi needs to have serious talks and break Khalistani ISI nexus I suppose. Road rolling ordering another nation establishing sanctions etc., are not gonna be long term solutions.
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@vandana7 (100618)
• India
25 Sep 23
@Daljinder Whatever it was, it was shameful.
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@Daljinder (23236)
• Bangalore, India
25 Sep 23
@vandana7 True! They don't make the distinction. Prefer to be ignorant.
You know 1984 was not a separatist thing. It was a vengeful son taking it out on the whole community. PM was killed in retaliation of the Army attack ordered on the Golden Temple.
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@LindaOHio (181931)
• United States
22 Sep 23
I didn't hear anything about a Canada/India conflict. Thanks for all the information. Have a great weekend.
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@vandana7 (100618)
• India
23 Sep 23
It seems tough stand is fashionable in our country's politics. No discretion is being used at all. From my experience, tough stand leads to some people relenting temporarily only to gather strength and return with more force. If rationalized, the issue dissipates.
