Removing reservations for a religious group in India.....hurting Hindus ...regarding
By vanny
@vandana7 (100619)
India
November 25, 2023 1:39am CST
All our government jobs are divided such that we have reservations for different castes, communities, religious groups, and economic sections.
That would be complex for you all to understand. So I will explain it in American, British, and Australian context.
Americans could have a percentage of government jobs only for ethnic Indians, then for immigrant jews, and then for immigrants from other countries, and so on....
Britishers could have for Scottish, Irish, English, and so on.
Australians for their aborigines, immigrants and of course Australians...
I agree it is not logical to have such reservations. It leads to getting less than the best out of the citizens. It also leads to corruption because limited jobs for more people means somebody needs to be bribed for those question papers, or giving more marks, or even pass through interviews. People have even used intelligent people to impersonate them during exams.
On the flip side is the fact that we tend to be distrustful of people from another religion. We also look down upon people within our religion who are of lower castes more specifically people who used to do some of the undesirable menial jobs like cleaning toilets or washing clothes etc. We also look down on those who differ in looks or dressing. Our names attire languages pronunciations and surnames do not camouflage those religions castes etc. Given such a situation, it is easy to deny jobs to such people. That is why the reservations exist.
Should they continue? I think they should be there proportionately and phased out with each person who gets a high post job to leave the set. But with decreasing jobs ..that does pinch.
So what is the solution? Increase jobs. How? Tax correctly. That is where we are going wrong. We are also going wrong in giving jobs within each community.
But I digress. There is talk of removing reservations for a religious group. That will actually boomerang.
Ever since this government has come...there have been series of issues targeting a religion.
1. Lynching of an old man suspecting him to have consumed beef.
2. Laws against triple talak
3. Ayodhya case compromise
4. Abrogation of article 360 in Kashmir
5. Creating disputes over other mosques
6. Banning illegal halal
7. Uniform civil code to prevent multiple marriages
And so on.... there will be seething range inside the hearts of a community. The fabric of the society is being broken down.
So how does it hurt Hindus?
Can you recruit such hurt community folks in armed forces or police force or as forest officers? Difficult to trust them after having done so much against them. This means giving them arms is a dangerous thing.
In the process, we Hindus will end up protecting Muslims.
We Hindus will die. As it is, monetary considerations and population considerations make us reduce our numbers. With front duties, we will bring our numbers down.
They don't have to stop having more kids. Nor suffer because they can now have only one wife. We will make them powerful by reducing our numbers thanks to monetary constraints, and our mistrust on them will prevent them joining armed forces...
Is the logic striking Hindus or not? The men who are at the center trying brandish Hinduism are as good as Shakunis (a mythological character from Mahabharat). They are going to cause downfall of Hinduism.
Did Shakuni really care for Duryodhan? Could he really care for Duryodhan considering that Dhritarashtra had him and his entire set of brothers imprisoned, and married his sister even though Dhritarashtra could see nothing. I would be mad at the entire situation. So how could I care for Duryodhan or others?
Didn't strike you all, did it?
Something like that is happening now. Time to get up and distance ourselves from people using religion to win elections.
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6 responses
@aninditasen (16501)
• Raurkela, India
25 Nov 23
Reservation should be abolished. On the other had let the government bring in reservation only for the poor. India needs to recognize talents which can be done without reservation. No doubt other countries are draining out our skillful youth. There's only exploitation in the job sectors in India whether government or private and the day may come when the politicians of our country may have to live in a no man's island.
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@vandana7 (100619)
• India
25 Nov 23
Theoretically, what you say is right. Practically, those who are from other religion or from scheduled castes will become poor and get those reservations anyway because there are ways to identify them based on their names, dress, language etc. Effectively, we will be giving those to them again. Would you employ a Muslim boy in your office? Or sell your house to a Muslim? You have your answer. There is an unwritten dictat. In fact, when I was looking to buy a flat the owner said that he had a better offer from a Muslim but the society did not want a Muslim owner so he had settled for my deal. Yeah...there is that unwritten rule. The reservations...let me tell you...they don't get filled. Lack of funds is quoted as reason. Especially in senior positions. Including SC and ST. So it is only on paper. You must be going to government offices. You can see that disparity with your eyes.
But that said...you completely completely missed the point I was making.
I wanted to say ..no reservations...means these people will not join armed forces or police forces. They have more kids, we have fewer. We end up on front and die. Our numbers come down still further. Right?
Who are we hurting then?
And yes, proportionate reservations can be given with conditions like you get a job only if you have only two kids, and so on and so forth.
Our watchman has 3 acres land in his village, each would fetch him around 50 lakhs per acre. My househelp comes from a village where the land value is around 10 lakhs per acre.
Both are from the same state. The watchman earns around 100000 per year from the three. My househelp says ..3 acres in her village may fetch around 16000 per annum. Both incomes are exempt. What more government offers incentives. State government gives 7000 whereas central 6000 totally the guy gets 100000 plus 13000. My house help...29000. Why both incomes are exempt, is what I ask.
What more politicos have plenty of land. Several hundred acres. They don't pay taxes on those! Why so? How many people like that are not paying taxes while you and I are?
The National Herald building is valued at around 765 crores. You mean to say surrounding buildings will not have that much value? If so, shouldn't they too be investigated and all the black money retrieved?
And finally taxing ourselves.... property taxes in the US are revised annually. Here, not even once in 20 years.
How then can we expect government to cover costs?
And why should governments be allowed to allocate houses to the poor. Give at nominal rent, for a specified number of years, yes. Give it away? How dare...it is taxpayer's money that is lost. The house given away....the person builds small small rooms and more toilets, collects hefty rents, while getting power illegally as well as causing strain on drains. Tax them.
Use that tax to create more government jobs, and ensure we all get better services.
More employment means fewer people are idle and fewer idle people means less crimes.
If you make them idle without reservations, you can expect anti social activities. Then we can point fingers. Is that what we want to do?
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@aninditasen (16501)
• Raurkela, India
27 Nov 23
@vandana7 That population is increasing, I don't agree to that. Nowadays even the domestic help is cautious They too are taking steps to control birth. Where Muslims are concerned at least the Muslims in my city are cautious. They too are having less children. I would rather say when there weren't any reservations the educated SCs and STs did get jobs.
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@Daljinder (23236)
• Bangalore, India
27 Dec
I have reservations about reservations because it is unfair to those who are qualified and talented. If at all there should be a reservation, it should be strictly restricted to those who are below the poverty line and there can be a benchmark set to make sure that person has the benefit until he/she is in a certain income bracket. For example, if a person is earning 50000/- annually can get the benefit, and when he/she reaches the point of earning 5 lakhs annually then he is not qualified for reservation anymore.
Reservation should be circumstantial not based on your caste, creed, religion, etc.
It is not just about Hindu vs Muslim. From the point of view of a citizen of a country, each of the citizens should have equal rights. Special rights must be for those who need them for survival. But when someone doesn't even want to make an effort to survive. Rather they want to propagate their religious beliefs which are not in tune with current times, do they be helped in that case? Isn't it a waste of money and effort when that money and effort can be diverted to people who need help?
You know this has become a global phenomenon presently regarding a particular communtiy. Every day there is some news or other where European countries are increasingly becoming hostile to the refugees. Because they come as refugees to their country because they are being persecuted in their own countries then they want the same laws they left behind to be followed in the host countries. It doesn't make any sense.
Regarding Triple Talaq, multiple marriages, hijab, etc. I don't support it. I have never had any girl I knew growing up in that community wearing hijab. They still don't. They are more modern. Now suddenly, little girls are going to schools wearing such things.
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@vandana7 (100619)
• India
27 Dec
Porridge ..you are simply not aware of how insidious this religious problem is. For example, the first flat that I purchased. The builder was a Muslim guy. But I purchased it second hand. When the seller was trying to sell the flat, a Muslim guy came up with an offer. The rest of the owners did not approve of him. So ours was the second best offer, and he settled for it.
Caste too. In the chartered accountant's office, the guy's used to feel the shoulder of the new guy to check whether he was wearing those threads. If he was, he qualified to be friend, if not, well...
Few would employ a Muslim. Or for that matter even Sikh. Safer to employ a Hindu. Preferably from higher caste. Preferably from the parts of the world that they are from. Too much discrimination.
If we leave them behind, by not offering them jobs, we don't do ourselves any favors. They will have more kids, join criminals, etc. Then we get to blame them ...that community is all criminals.
Wanting to force their religion elsewhere is wrong. Hell, it is not ok to force any religion anywhere.
All religious books are wrongly interpreted. Or altered to suit the requirements of some egoistic priest or ruler. Perhaps folks from other religious did it to humiliate the religion. Nevertheless, what we are following cannot be said to be authentic. I came across an article which said that Ramji never sent away Sitaji. Sounded more consistent with Rama's character. But all TV serials and books will have you believe that she was banished.
When people start interfering with others religion, the pigheaded folks from other religion will get a higher following leading to what you are seeing, little girls wearing hijab.
Triple talaq is wrong, as is multiple marriages. But we as outsiders should not be passing laws for it. The more modern of them should stand up against such dictat.
@RebeccasFarm (90481)
• Arvada, Colorado
25 Nov 23
Sounds like total barbarism to me. Uneducated.
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@TraveOnWorld (854)
• Georgia
25 Nov 23
Cannot agree more, politics and religion should not mix, it creates a state sponsored Us and Them situation and the religiously upheld belief that only one viewpoint is worthy of existing.
The older I get the more I find it strange that humans are so pleased, eager and easy to go out and die for some nebulous concept or to invade some young mind with really bad ideas as to how to be more base to his fellow man. But as a species we seem genuinely so scared to live life to its fullest. I mostly tune out when "leaders" start telling me their ideas are worth killing or dying for or that some group of people should suffer just because somehow the thing I'm doing is perceived to be better at living. Common sense should become a school subject
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