Biden Won't Quit
By Jim Bauer
@porwest (85053)
United States
July 19, 2024 1:04pm CST
I have to admit, it's harder and harder to predict what happens in campaigns anymore. Take the question about Joe Biden's future as the Democrat nominee and remaining on the top of the ticket.
Calls continue to get stronger from more and more fellow Democrats urging Biden to step aside and let someone else take them the rest of the way to November.
But he and his campaign continue to insist Biden is in it to win it and that's that, as was voiced by Dan Kanninen, Biden's battleground states director. The reality is that Biden trails Trump, now by nearly miles in all polls taken following Trump's assassination attempt and RNC convention speech last night.
"I will not sugar coat the state of the race," Kanninen noted. "We have our work cut out for us to win."
Biden insists he is the man to beat Donald J. Trump in November. But so far, even before the debate performance, all he has done is widen the gap between him and Trump, with Trump in the lead.
That gap is only widening.
The thing is, once you have lost the confidence of your supporters, how do you get that back? No matter what work you do? How do you get it back?
I think the answer is that there comes a time when there is a turning point, and from there there's only one direction and it's not back the other way. While it was a different set of circumstances, that was a point that Nixon was surely faced with.
When you arrive at that point, there is no recovering.
Everyone has said Biden can't win. He thinks they are wrong despite the polls. The reality alludes him. And this election is looking more and more to be shaping up to becoming a landslide victory for Trump.
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@lovebuglena (43886)
• Staten Island, New York
19 Jul
Biden should definitely exit out of the race. It is clear as day he isn’t fit to run this country. But who’d be in his place? Harris? Michelle Obama? And how does that work anyway? Who picks his replacement? And is it one person or a few and we pick the final one?
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@lovebuglena (43886)
• Staten Island, New York
19 Jul
@porwest In a way it does. But if the delegates are the ones that actually vote in the election, then it's not really the people deciding who the president should be. Or am I wrong?
I am also wondering why the Dems had a virtual thing to officially nominate Biden... Why is there no DNC thing like the RNC had?
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@porwest (85053)
• United States
22 Jul
@lovebuglena The DNC convention is coming up. There's was simply scheduled after the RNC one. They will have their convention in Chicago—of course, now with all the news that's happened, it's up in their air a bit who will be the nominee ultimately since Harris is not an automatic.
@porwest (85053)
• United States
19 Jul
Harris the natural progression of course because she is the vice president, is already on the ticket, and controls (in Biden's absence) the campaign funds and the delegates would most likely default to her. The only way it could be someone else is if the convention becomes a brokered convention, in which case the delegates would ultimately cast votes for an alternative and it would be decided that way. There's no time for a special primary to be held, so that's not really an option.
If Biden does drop out, 99.9% of my gut says Kamala Harris will be the nominee.
Going a little deeper, the way primaries work is this way. Voters go to the polls and vote for the nominee they want. The winner of the primary in each state (with some exceptions) wins the delegates. The delegates are the ultimate decider of who THEIR vote goes to. In other words, the delegates are the ones who ACTUALLY vote, and they have no obligation to vote in favor of the candidate who won the primary. They always DO vote for the nominee who won the primary. But by law, they have no OBLIGATION to.
Parties essentially can nominate whoever they want their candidate to be. So, really, a primary is a question to their party supporters. "Who do you want?" The votes are not binding because it is not technically an official election. It is a selection process with strong suggestion by party members as to who they prefer to be their candidate.
It's really a "token" gesture of sorts. You are our party, you tell us what you want and if we all agree, that's the direction we will go. Granted there are rules and laws in place that govern the way this all works. But it's a bit convoluted.
So, Biden won the primaries. He has the delegates to carry him to the general. It's basically what the roll call was for. The Biden campaign and the DNC wanted to know how the delegates were going to vote. The delegates said they would vote for the candidate who won the primaries, and that's Joe Biden.
I hope that all makes sense.
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@NJChicaa (118480)
• United States
19 Jul
I haven't finished watching all of Trump's speech from last night. I've seen about 2/3 of it. I will post my thoughts on it later when I finish it. The reviews don't seem to be amazing aside from Trump sycophant spaces. I started to read an article this morning that said that Biden's campaign manager said they are more determined than ever to stay in the race after Trump's performance.
That being said the dam seems to have broken in terms of Democrats in Congress calling for him to step aside. I don't see how he can possibly stay in the race at this point. At this point I think he should pass the torch.
I wouldn't be surprised if Biden announces he is dropping out over the weekend.
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@porwest (85053)
• United States
19 Jul
@NJChicaa I guess we will just have to wait and see. And by the way, I'd argue he's not shedding it. It's as good as gone when President Obama won't even support his candidacy. Beyond that, the former Speaker doesn't support him and neither does the minority leader. This is the TOP BRASS saying we want you out.
His support is gone.
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@kaylachan (65344)
• Daytona Beach, Florida
19 Jul
I've said it before, Biden is stubborn and won't give up. Pride or something else is causing him to neglect his own declining health, and he plans to keep going or die trying. I don't think he's mentally capable of realizing how bad things really are. Or, he hates the thought of Trump so much it's melted his brain.
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@kaylachan (65344)
• Daytona Beach, Florida
22 Jul
@porwest I don't think life is supposed to make sense. From what I understood of the events leading to biden's departure from the race, he had basically lost all support from those supposedly loyal to him.
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@porwest (85053)
• United States
24 Jul
I don't think life is supposed to make sense. From what I understood of the events leading to biden's departure from the race, he had basically lost all support from those supposedly loyal to him.
@kaylachan That is exactly what happened.
@porwest (85053)
• United States
22 Jul
And now we have the latest news of him dropping out. I have to admit, for a while there I thought he really wouldn't. But here we are. As for hating Trump so much it melts his brain, it makes no sense he would have stayed in considering Biden had no chance of winning and staying in all but guaranteed Trump would be the next president.
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@Deepizzaguy (99643)
• Lake Charles, Louisiana
19 Jul
Barring a miracle in November, Trump will win in a landslide even if Joe Biden decides to end his campaign soon.
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@dgobucks226 (34957)
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20 Jul
The Democratic Convention should be a real doozy. The party of sticking together no matter what has begun to abandon ship in mass. I believe we are in for an open convention if Biden announces Saturday that he is withdrawing. His getting Covid didn't help his case.
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@porwest (85053)
• United States
21 Jul
In another post I posed that very question. "What is a Democrat convention going to look like when you have a candidate no one wants?" I usually watch their conventions so I can write about them anyway for my conservative blogs. But even if I WEREN'T normally inclined to watch, this one would a MUST SEE event.
Like I mentioned in the post, it will go down as probably one of the most bizarre and awkward conventions in the history of conventions.
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@2ndchances24 (7489)
• Cloverdale, Indiana
20 Jul
that's so sad that Biden doesn't even have the sense to quit
& he will go down in history as the worst president over all
& it's just not him, but the WHOLE family of Bidens.
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@porwest (85053)
• United States
21 Jul
He has DEFINITELY and WITHOUT QUESTION dethroned Jimmy Carter from that title. He's even made Jimmy Carter look like an AWESOME president compared. It's not a legacy that he will leave behind that most people in a position like his most would want, but it's a legacy he is definitely forming.
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@2ndchances24 (7489)
• Cloverdale, Indiana
22 Jul
@porwest yeah well it won't be long for him to retire
like he should have done B-4 stepping in the ring.
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