Anybody made thorough due dilligence on these two hyips?

thats the ponzi schemes. yes, most of the hyips are simple ponzi scams. try to find some real and stable programs.

You are right, phone support is not everything, especially nowadays, its very easy to get an internet phone number. But these too programs are for real, and the interests rate is much low from real selling or trading. But if you want to input more, like tens of thousands of dollars, you have to do more research.