Why are airplanes suddenly falling out of the sky? Another crash has occurred.

@TheHorse (223963)
Walnut Creek, California
February 1, 2025 11:42am CST
A Lear jet ambulance airplane has crashed outside of Philadelphia. Apparently is is a very powerful and safe jet. In this instance, there were six souls on board, two pilots and four passengers. I'll attach a video in which a pilot gives a good summary of what happened in the more recent crash. I have to head off to Guitar Center, and will do more research later in the day. Do you agree with this pilot that a stall was probably to blame? If you hear anything new, please leave a comment. We live in odd times.
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13 responses
• Philippines
1 Feb
I don't know. Maybe maintenance, or negligence.
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@TheHorse (223963)
• Walnut Creek, California
1 Feb
The fella in the video thinks a stall as involved. But what would cause a stall just after takeoff in a two- engine plane?
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• Philippines
1 Feb
@TheHorse what do you mean stall? sorry language barrier... you mean overload? If I understand you correctly, then if it is overload there are still negligence.
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@wolfgirl569 (112422)
• Marion, Ohio
1 Feb
@luisadannointed means the motor shut back off for some reason.
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@Dreamerby (6956)
• Calcutta, India
1 Feb
Causalities are becoming common these days. It seems human life has no value!
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@TheHorse (223963)
• Walnut Creek, California
1 Feb
We in the US are just hoping to survive.
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@celticeagle (172115)
• Boise, Idaho
2 Feb
Why? Trump had traffic controllers given their walking papers. That could have something to do with it. And, Trump wants to look like a goid guy getting rid of all he feels are too dumb.
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@celticeagle (172115)
• Boise, Idaho
6 Feb
@TheHorse ........He sent out the order to have them quit or get fired I think is how it went. He has made such a mess out so much now.
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@TheHorse (223963)
• Walnut Creek, California
2 Feb
Did Trump's firings directly affect air traffic controllers or other airplane workers? If they feared for their jobs, this could affect their "workloads," adversely affecting job performance.
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@TheHorse (223963)
• Walnut Creek, California
6 Feb
@celticeagle It is fascinating how one unintelligent and disturbed man can make such a mess out of a once-great Country.
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@vandana7 (101423)
• India
1 Feb
Every routine task becomes monotonous after some time. There are mistakes in initial stages because the person has to remember many things. Then comes the expertise stage, and then monotony sets in. I suppose those doing maintenance needed to be shifted. I think soon there might be robots to undertake the inspection and maintenance. That way, human errors in so far as maintenance can be avoided completely.
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@TheHorse (223963)
• Walnut Creek, California
1 Feb
We'll have to wait for invetigation results in these two crashes. It feels like something has changed. The US has been pretty safe, when it comes to air travel, since 2009 or so.
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@porwest (96833)
• United States
2 Feb
@TheHorse Have they? Boeing had all sorts of problems in the past two years even having models of planes grounded. Remember door parts falling off planes mid air? The last four years made me question air travel greatly. We had SEVERAL problems.
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@TheHorse (223963)
• Walnut Creek, California
2 Feb
@porwest Boeing had problems with that one version of their 737. I don't think there were any domestic crashes, though. I remember problems with the cargo doors of DC-10s, though those may have been a couple of decades ago. Most DC-10s still flying are cargo planes.
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@DaddyEvil (142619)
• United States
1 Feb
This is the latest report I could find about the crash in Philadelphia.
https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/philadelphia-plane-crash-learjet-55-cause-b2690491.html
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@DaddyEvil (142619)
• United States
1 Feb
@TheHorse Same here!
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@TheHorse (223963)
• Walnut Creek, California
1 Feb
@DaddyEvil How can things have gone so far South so quickly?
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@TheHorse (223963)
• Walnut Creek, California
1 Feb
I am glad I have no plans for air travel in the near future.
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@wolfgirl569 (112422)
• Marion, Ohio
1 Feb
I heard about that
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@TheHorse (223963)
• Walnut Creek, California
2 Feb
The second plane crash?
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@popciclecold (39866)
• United States
7 Feb
No, I have not heard anymore, but you have one thing right, we are living in odd times.
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• United States
7 Feb
@TheHorse That's all any of us can do.
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@TheHorse (223963)
• Walnut Creek, California
7 Feb
@popciclecold Kitty is safe. I am eating Thai soup. And white rice. That is all I can ask.
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@TheHorse (223963)
• Walnut Creek, California
7 Feb
I am taking things one day at a time. I am still here.
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@much2say (57292)
• Los Angeles, California
2 Feb
Another one . As I know nothing about jets/planes, I can't really comment how it happened - it's just tragic is all I can say. As far as I know, they are still investigating it - I'm sure there are many theories floating around right now.
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@TheHorse (223963)
• Walnut Creek, California
2 Feb
When I was in Graduate School, I published a paper (in JPSP) about "learned helplessness." I am going to have to research whether anything has happened recently that could adversely affect the workload and/or job performance of flight controllers, pilots, ground crews, or other airplane personnel.
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@much2say (57292)
• Los Angeles, California
3 Feb
@TheHorse Looked up that term - interesting. I guess I "could" have an opinion on it. Hearing this pilot, it sounds like it could have been a malfunction of some sort - a stall. Then the question would be was it because of human error in any way - that, I wouldn't know. This seems like a completely different situation from that Pennsylvania crash though, so hard to say.
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@TheHorse (223963)
• Walnut Creek, California
5 Feb
@much2say Oh yes. Entirely different. There were no ATC issues involved in this one. I suspect an asymmetrical stall.
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@RasmaSandra (82887)
• Daytona Beach, Florida
1 Feb
I hope you have a good day at the Guitar Center. Something strange is going on and now I would be afraid to have a plane fall on me,
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@TheHorse (223963)
• Walnut Creek, California
2 Feb
I am on the flight path to and from a small regional airport.
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• Torrington, Connecticut
5 Feb
Yeah I think its bizarre, il definitely be taking road trips this summer
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@TheHorse (223963)
• Walnut Creek, California
6 Feb
There have only been a couple of incidents since the two in the News. No loss of life.
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@JudyEv (347519)
• Rockingham, Australia
2 Feb
Vince read or heard somewhere that the recordings from the control tower say the military aircraft was flying up the middle of the river when he'd been told to fly up one side (I can't remember which side) and that he was at 400 ft instead of 200. Hopefully it will all be made public at some point.
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@TheHorse (223963)
• Walnut Creek, California
2 Feb
I have already heard that the helicopter in the first crash was at 350 feet rather than the designated 200.
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@porwest (96833)
• United States
2 Feb
The American Airlines plane did not fall out of the sky. I mean, technically it did. But only after it was struck by a helicopter, which, and I am no aviation expert here, makes a plane...unflyable.
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@TheHorse (223963)
• Walnut Creek, California
5 Feb
@porwest One of the things that is problematic is "visual separation" in such a congested airspace with many distracting ground lights.
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@TheHorse (223963)
• Walnut Creek, California
2 Feb
I wonder why the helicopter was flying so far above 200 feet.
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@porwest (96833)
• United States
5 Feb
@TheHorse No idea, and of course the pilot can't tell us. It's clear several mistakes were made here though, although it seems that those mistakes did not come from the pilot who the helicopter collided with. I am sure we will eventually know more.
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@lilacskies (8206)
• United States
26 Feb
I don't understand why so many are happening now in such short intervals.
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@xander6464 (44856)
• Wapello, Iowa
27 Feb
@TheHorse You said you don't like to follow politics. Maybe @Xander6464 can fill you in. Let's just say some "mistakes" have been made at a higher level. --------------It's happening because Trump is gutting the FAA, We got lucky when he fired the people in charge of the nuclear weapons ((None of them have exploded yet)) but we aren't so lucky when it comes to airplanes.
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@TheHorse (223963)
• Walnut Creek, California
26 Feb
You said you don't like to follow politics. Maybe @Xander6464 can fill you in. Let's just say some "mistakes" have been made at a higher level.
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• United States
26 Feb
@TheHorse Okay, please fill me in on the details.