Santa

Australia
December 3, 2006 6:03pm CST
Should we encourage our children to believe in Santa? Or is it teaching them to tell lies? How do you "excuse" the lie you told them when they find out the truth? I know of a number of children who were badly affected when they found their parents had been telling them a lie regarding Santa. Some children have become suspicious of what is told them about other things, simply because of this lie. ... While we told our children the story of Saint Nicholas, and encouraged the joy of giving and helping others, Santa was never considered as real. What has been your experience?
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• China
4 Dec 06
yes~ children also have good dream . so let us give some good dream to them~
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• Australia
4 Dec 06
Thank you for your comment, tableknife. Dreams are good. Without dreams, goals, and such there would be no purpose to life. However, fact needs to be taken into consideration. Dreams based on fiction will achieve nothing. Birthdays can be enjoyable and exciting without Santa, so why can't Christmas? My five sons all had great "dreams" and have achieved much. They all have at least one university degree, are happy in their chosen vocations, are happily married and bringing up happy, well-adjusted families.
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@aggiejoe (799)
• United States
4 Dec 06
As old as my kids are 10 & 12 they believe in santa. But they know the real story of santa. also. That way they are prepared for when they stop beleaving. I don't think there any thing wrong for kids to beleave in something good like santa it makes all the bad things bareable.
• United States
4 Dec 06
Many children are much more perceptive and intelligent than some adults imagine. For this reason alone, children should not be told the Santa Claus lie. Many children do question other things their parents tell them because of the Santa Clause lie. I agree that some children start to not trust what their parents tell them about other things because of the Santa Claus lie. The Santa Clause lie teaches children that their parents will lie to them when the parents deem it for the children's own good. The children conclude the parents have no trust in their ability to evaluate information. This can be perceived as a lack of respect. This lack of respect becomes a 2 way street. It can set a pattern that lasts a life time. So, you think no child ever has thoughts like these? I assure you that you are wrong. It is for those of you that think a child can not have such thoughts that I wrote, "Many children are much more perceptive and intelligent than some adults imagine.".
• United States
4 Dec 06
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• United States
4 Dec 06
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• Australia
4 Dec 06
Thank you, redyellowblackdog. Exactly what I have found in children. I know my children didn't miss any of the "magic" of Christmas through not believing in Santa. (by the way, how did you come up with the name redyellowblackdog?)
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@clownfish (3269)
• United States
4 Dec 06
Hi! Well, I don't want to tell my daughter about santa because I agree, it is a lie and she could be very angry later when she gets older and finds that out. Santa scared me when I was a kid. I can't imagine that being fun for little kids. I think kids are better off without that lie. I hope I can keep my daughter from it.
• Australia
4 Dec 06
Thanks clownfish. I believe there is enough excitement in Christmas without having to tell lies. Kids don't need a santa in order to celebrate their birthday, so why do they at Christmas?
@Meljep (1666)
• United States
4 Dec 06
If you tell your children that Santa helps you get them gifts, or maybe that you help Santa give them gifts it wouldn't be such a big shock later for them to find out that Santa is mythical.
• Australia
4 Dec 06
It doesn't alter the fact that you have told them a lie. It isn't it always better to tell the truth? Then in something that matters, they have trust in you.
@treblem (316)
• Philippines
4 Dec 06
if u really believe the Scriptures then u would expose the lies. santa is a hoax. teach ur children the Scriptures and not the lies. have a nice day!!!
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• Australia
4 Dec 06
Exactly. This is why Santa has never been a part of Christmas in our family. The Christmas story is enough and Christmas has never lost a thing because of having no Santa.
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• United States
4 Dec 06
I think it's good to encourage children to believe in magic and that anything is possible. I can see what your saying but could you imagine not having santa when you were little? Now when they get to the point and ask straight up then I think you tell them that's hes not real. I still pretend to believe in santa and I'm 26 - because it's fun!
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@rainbow (6761)
4 Dec 06
I'm 34 and I let my kids believe in anything they like, who's to say there's no truth in it! What a good way to go from Santa's presents to the 3 Wise Kings bringing a baby gifts at christmas, finding out it's only true for a given value of true has never mentally scarred anyone has it?
• United States
4 Dec 06
all of you who don't know should look up Kriss Kringle in the encyclopedia. christmas is to celebrate the birth of Jesus, it's not you or your childrens birthday. so why is everyone or anyone getting gifts on Jesus's birthday? does everyone get a gift when it is someone elses birhday? Kriss Kringle was a real man who gave to small children of poor familys so they wouldn't feel left out and he cared about them, he was a saint for all children. so if you don't want to lie to your children, then don't. find a book telling about the man Kriss Kringle and tell them the truth and be very sure you teach them that Christmas is the birthday of Jesus Christ.
@Pigglies (9329)
• United States
4 Dec 06
Christmas is no where near the birthday of Jesus. That's in the spring time. The date was moved to coincide with (or rather, overlap) the Winter Solstice.
• United States
4 Dec 06
I never really wanted my son to believe in Santa Clause for the same reasons that you have mentioned, and I did not want my son to grow up thinking that I lied to him about everything, but with being around other kids, tv, and seeing santas in the malls he has come to think that there is santa clause but he knows that we buy him stuff for Christmas and just brushes off the idea of santa clause bringing kids presents. I am pretty much allowing him, now, to believe in what he wants to believe, and if he choses to believe in Santa Clause that is his own choice, but I will never force any beliefs on him or any of my other children, the same as I will never tell him that Santa isn't real, he will eventually realize this without my intervention as he already knows that we buy his Christmas presents. Just like Easter, he has no clue about the Easter bunny, ect, all he knows about Easter is that we get him an Easter basket with candy and toys, he dyes eggs, and hides/hunts them at my mil house with all the other kids, its another holiday filled with family dinners, fun, and love. Once he is older ill explain the reasons for all the holidays.
• United States
4 Dec 06
although we have mentioned to him that Christmas is Jesus's birthday, he just doesnt understand it all yet.
• Australia
11 Dec 06
At least he can never accuse you of LYING to him! Good job!
@wahmoftwo (1296)
• United States
5 Dec 06
I think each family should just make their own decision. However, if they choose to tell their kids Santa is not real they should also instruct them not to go spreading that around to the other kids at school and upsetting them. I really don't think it is that big a deal in the long run. What is really important is that they be taught the TRUE reason for Christmas. The birth of our Lord and savior, Jesus Christ.
• Australia
11 Dec 06
If you tell them a LIE about santa, won't they wonder if you have told them a lie about Jesus? It must cause doubt in their minds.
@Lindalinda (4111)
• Canada
4 Dec 06
We also told our children the story of St. Nicholas and the joy of celebrating Christmas. We told our children that Santa Claus was a spirit and all the Santas they saw in the mall were real people acting for Santa and the spirit of Christmas. I am sure they did not fully understand what we said but there was never any shock when they were old enough to comprehend.
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• India
4 Dec 06
yes u should so as to make the child more imaginative and which inturn helps in better mental growth
• Australia
4 Dec 06
I would never want to deter a child's imagination. In fact, I actively encouraged imagination in my children - but NOT through LIES!
• Australia
4 Dec 06
I would never want to deter a child's imagination. In fact, I actively encouraged imagination in my children - but NOT through LIES!
@lyloo14 (128)
• France
4 Dec 06
OHhhhhh, Santa's not real :o( (just jocking ;o) ) MMM, I consider it's not lies, it belongs to all the fairytales, and fairytales are usefull to develop imagination. If you're scared about Santa, what's up with the little red riding hood, or fairies, or dwarfes or whatever belonging to fairytales. No, I don't think it's a lie... Now, Saint Nicholas became Santa KLAUS (Klaus meaning Nicholas) when "emigrating" to US, and what would avoid to tell about both? I'm from a region in France, where we do celebrate both (as well as Jesus birth oviously!) Anyway, I'm sure that fairytales are really important concerning Child developement, and Santa Klaus belongs to these fairytales .
@lyloo14 (128)
• France
4 Dec 06
Yes on that part I do agree with you, one should not tell he's real, talk about Santa and let the child believe or not, but if he decides it's not real, one should not tell him it's false, in this case it would be a lie, true :o)
• Australia
4 Dec 06
Yes, lyloo, fairy tales and fantasy are important in a child's life, but they KNOW it is fantasy. To actually TELL a child that santa is REAL and that he brings them gifts is a LIE. It is not fantasy.
• India
4 Dec 06
The childhood is known & remembered as those days when we used to hear stories & fairytales.I guess the serious talk could come in the later parts of life when they see the harsh realties of life.For the children let them have thier share of Fantasy world & enjoy life to the fullest
@jillbeth (2705)
• United States
4 Dec 06
I agree, it is all harmless fantasy. Young children live in a fantasy world, or at least they should. I doubt any child was permanently harmed by find out Santa was not a real person!
• Australia
11 Dec 06
No, jillbeth, possibly not permanently harmed, but I know of some who have doubted the truth of their parents. Isn't it better to let them believe in the fantasy, the make-believe, with the story and the morals behind it, than to actually tell them that santa is REAL? THAT is a LIE and parents should not lie to their children.
@almae01 (111)
• Spain
16 Aug 08
Hello, I really dont believe in lying to children, they are not stupid and will find out, if we lie to them we are teaching them that it is ok to lie!
@almae01 (111)
• Spain
16 Aug 08
Its not that they shouldnt have imagination and fantasy, i agree with telling them the story of saint nicholas, its a beautiful story to tell.
@rusty2rusty (6763)
• Defiance, Ohio
4 Dec 06
I think having children believe in Santa Claus is a good idea. I think it teaches a child about giving without getting the recognition for it. Because if a parent does it right. They can have their children help them be a secret Santa to someone who needs it..to help spread the joy.
• Australia
11 Dec 06
I'm fully in favour - as long as the children are NOT told that santa is a REAL person. That would be telling the children a lie.
@LadyCroft (701)
• Australia
4 Dec 06
What a load of bullocks... Sorry but this is my opinion. Everyone has the right to tell their children what they believe is right, but do you add on to your child that there are some children out there that do believe in a santa???? Are they the little ones in the schools who tell all the other kids in the class that thier parents are lying to them? Do what you want with your own kid, but be aware when it starts spilling out to other children around you and other parents get mad at you... hmmmm what happens when in the class room they have activities involving santa, do you allow that? or do you chastise the teachers for "lying" to your child. Please, the sprit of chistmas has become far too damn political, let kids be kids. BTW, I dont believe you dont lie to your children. NO PARENT doesnt lie to thier child at least once.
• Australia
11 Dec 06
I do not believe that santa should be banned. I'm quite happy for santa to be a part of Christmas. Children SHOULD have make-believe and fantasy in their lives: it is necessary. The only issue that I take is that children should KNOW it is fantasy - just as they know that Sesame Street characters, fairy tales etc are not real. To actually TELL a child that santa is REAL is a deliberate LIE.
@emarie (5442)
• United States
4 Dec 06
SANTA IS REAL!!!! lol ...well, i believe that letting children dream and have an imagination is very important. i also believe in the 'spirit' of santa, meaning what he means to everyone else...giving and kindness, being unselfish and helping those in need...i want my children to still have those values once the realize santa isn't real...but then santa will still be alive in our hearts everytime the holidays come around, and maybe beyond that. even now as a grown up, the thought of santa clause can make anyone happy. children at a young age (like my children are 3 & 4) need the image to help them understand whats going on, it's not lying.
• Australia
11 Dec 06
It isn't lying if you don't tell them santa is real!
@Pigglies (9329)
• United States
4 Dec 06
I don't like telling lies either. You can tell them about Santa, who in the past really existed (not as some type of magical fairy though), in the Netherlands. That's how my grandparents explained Santa to us. But my parents lied about it and made him seem like magic. We always wondered why Santa bought rich kids better presents. I think it made it easier for us to figure it out very quickly. Especially when you get a hand-me-down in your stocking! It's pretty hard to lie your way out of that! As soon as I calculated out that Santa could have no way done all that flying and gift giving in one night, I knew the Easter bunny and the tooth fairy also were not real. And then I thought about God and the miracles and all that stuff, and knew it was just like Santa. I won't be telling my children any of those things as truths. I'll just tell them the stories and tell them that's what they are, stories.
• Australia
11 Dec 06
You've made my point, possibly without realising it.
@Akkhima (21)
• United States
4 Dec 06
When I found out that Santa Claus wasn't real, and I knew that night that my mother was lying to me and trying to hide what I'd found out, I didn't really feel hurt or anything like that. It was OK, I just understood, because I'd grown enough for the fairy tale to be over. There are hundreds of things that children like to believe as they grow up, and it's just a matter of time as to when they grow out of them. Not just Santa, or the Easter Bunny, or the Tooth Fairy. There are other, more subtle things, too. For example, a child hides under a blanket and the mother says "Oh no, I don't see Jimmy anymore! Where did he go?" and this does not harm the child, it inspires play. But no one will complain about that little lie. Santa Claus was fun, and I'm glad my family let me play that game as I grew, it's a right of passage that many children go through.
• Australia
4 Dec 06
Well Said. I agree 100%
• Canada
4 Dec 06
I was thinking the same thing last night. This will be my son't first Christmas. I was talking to my husband about telling our son about Santa and how it really is kinda strange to have this tradition. I asked him what he thought of letting our son know from the start that Santa wasn't real. He thought that was a bad idea, that our son would go around telling all the other kids that he wasn't real, and it would ruin Christmas's for him for years to come. I guess I agree. It is so much fun to think of Santa. I remember loving it as a child. I think it's more of a fairytale than an outright lie though. I mean most kids will get over it when they figure it out. Of course the ones that find out before "their time" that Santa isn't real might have a harder time.
• Australia
11 Dec 06
Why not let them have both? The fantasy and make believe of santa without telling them the lie that he is real?