Please explain "Intelligent Design" to me...
By mtbkanata
@mtbkanata (248)
Canada
December 7, 2006 11:50pm CST
I've been reading about in the USA where parents of schools are forcing that the school teaches something called intelligent design as an alternative to evolution. From what I can gather, this looks like it's religiously based, rather than scientific.
I guess I need to understand... why teach something that is a belief, rather than something that is a fact? Isn't that what church is for?
Help me out here... I will stay open to new ideas... I just like to hear both sides.
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12 responses
@JC1969 (1224)
• United States
8 Dec 06
Well, you would be right. Intelligent Design is really the old "Creationism" that tried to get its way into schools once. But, what Intelligent Design does differently is they do not give the Intelligent Designer a name like God. Instead, they say oh it could be aliens, a god, or anything supernatural.
I've written an article on that topic a while ago:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/10538/is_intelligent_design_science_or_religion.html
@mtbkanata (248)
• Canada
8 Dec 06
That's interesting... good read too. I wonder teaching this is helpful or hurtful. One, it keeps people's minds open to other ideas, two it might discourage the learning of established facts.
@JC1969 (1224)
• United States
8 Dec 06
A little knowledge is always a good thing. However, in this case, it should be elective and not taught in a science classroom unless those that support and push Intelligent Design can utilize scientific method to test their theory of an intelligent designer. Otherwise, it is just going to be used as a non-scientific element to divide the classroom and dillute actual scientific studies.
Like I said in the article, why not teach it in an elective class at the high school level, but not alone. Teach it along side other stories and myths that deal with supernatural explanations for how everything came into existence. This way if a student wants to hear about that they will elect to take it, and if not they will be able to have the choice not too.
@mtbkanata (248)
• Canada
8 Dec 06
So teach it as an elective in the Public school? I wonder if there would be issues there... public schools are funded by property taxes (At least they are there), and you can choose to fund:
Public English, Public French, Catholic English or Catholic French.
I personally think that offering it even as an elective would open too many doors for other beliefs to teach their ideas in school on my dime. Know what I mean?
@TerryZ (22076)
• United States
8 Dec 06
You must be talking about the catholic schools here in the USA. That is what they are called catholic school were you learn the religion too.
@starr4all (2863)
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8 Dec 06
It's not just catholic schools. I've read that in the south some schools are being forced to teach this and they are forced to put in science books that evolution is one "idea" and that there are others out there.
@mtbkanata (248)
• Canada
8 Dec 06
I'm aware of catholic, we have those here in Canada too... I'm not sure they are the ones teaching this though.. I think it's mostly christian (Which really is the same thing I suppose)
@mtbkanata (248)
• Canada
9 Dec 06
That's fair to say there are other ideas out there... I mean every culture it seems has an idea on how the world was created.. however, when teaching in a school, facts must be taught, not faiths..
@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
9 Dec 06
I'm assuming that you believe evolution has been proven? But if it hasn't, don't we have a state enforced faith/belief then?
Not all scientists are evolutionists.
All I know is, they keep telling us there's no other science. And I find myself leery of that. And don't forget, lots of folks are making money off of that concept too :)) 'ave a good weekend
@mtbkanata (248)
• Canada
9 Dec 06
We have so much evidence of evolution... soooo much evidence, and no evidence of anything else.. what else (seriously) can there be? Believing in god is the same as believing in magic.
@The_Eagle_1 (1121)
• Australia
9 Dec 06
Well for mine this ID is only a hypothetical and as such would be better left in the fictional column...as for the religion aspect ..each to their own and keep it to yourself!
stop trying to preach something that was built on illusions and immaculate conversations and conceptions, I mean sheezz, give me a break! Okay...okay...I'm trying to get over the ambiguity of people preaching their religion...when in essence it is MAN MADE to benefit MAN and they hide behind religions laws or guidelines to benefit themselves!
Hummmm might get a minus for this one..lol
@mtbkanata (248)
• Canada
9 Dec 06
I would never hand out a minus to anyone that takes the time to speak there mind!
ID does seem like a lot of hokus pokus.. read over the thread with the link a few above this one there is a good article on ID which isn't about god, but a creator.. which could mean anything. It's a long but good read. Doesn't answer many questions, but shows that there is serious thought on this issue, and doesn't have to just be preachings (As the church is doing).
@bob1_smith (43)
• United States
9 Dec 06
my friend, clearly your fervent belief in evoluation leaves you unable to see the other side. Church (if one attends), school, society, tv, radio, the news and life in general are all a part of the making of an individual from child to adult.
ID goes beyond "school" and many scientists (among others) are getting on board. I wouldn't want to offend by copying and pasting but there's a great article here
http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/index.php?command=view&id=3059 about scientists and others who have begun to consider this way of thought.
In addition, this article points out emphatically that ID is NOT just creationism "re packaged."
Best Wishes
@mtbkanata (248)
• Canada
9 Dec 06
That's a very interesting article.. I read it, then I went around and checked out even more on the engines... it's neat to think of how 30 proteins could create such a device... the issue I see is that this opens more questions. It's one ask how were we created.. now you have to ask Who were we created by?
I'm not sure one paper will convince me, but it was a very good read and did open my mind to the notion that there is more than random chance... although I still do not believe there is a god, there must be something... or must there?
@Psichee (10)
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9 Dec 06
This is actually a clever play of words! We in hindu religion have been saying this precise fact even in our vedas etc! There is an ulterior motive in all of creation and that is 'Intelligent design' here the intelligence being devine and the capacity and vision to recognise that fact too is 'God Given'! This devine foresight is possible only with knowledge and that is what 'Gyan Yog' is!This is the difficult and knowledge based way of seeking and attaining deliverance or ( MOKSHA) and the easier way being 'Bhakti yog' which can be paraphrased as the path of unquestioning devotion and faith!If this is taught in schools i cant see any conflicts with My faith here but Muslims may disagree!
@Psichee (10)
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9 Dec 06
The fact also does not DENY the science of Evolution and ONLY complements it! people who DONT believe in evolution are the ones who sadly revel in their ignorance! There is also a statement which is 'Onchogeny mimics phylogeny'' which means that all levels of evolution is mimicked in the development of a human baby during its interauterine life from conception to birth!
@Asylum (47893)
• Manchester, England
8 Dec 06
I had never heard of the term Intelligent Design before, but this is quite obviously a religious belief and not a scientific one. The only real difference between this and Christianity is that in Christianity God is a personification of the controlling factors.
Basically this is tantamount to a spin off religion from Christianity which avoids the awkward questions that can be derived from the Bible, and as such it should not be taught in schools as a standard subject but only as an option. No education authority has the right to attempt to impose such a belief on the next generation.
@mtbkanata (248)
• Canada
8 Dec 06
That makes perfect sense to me. I too believe that religion should be taught in church.. not school.
There are plenty of religion-based school boards out there, teach that there... the public school should be void of religion teachings. (Not to say that students cannot be religious...)
@starr4all (2863)
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8 Dec 06
I think it is wrong to do this. Whatever happened to seperation of church and state? If you want to teach your child "creationism" or "intelligent Design (which is just another name for creationism)" send them to a catholic or christian school. Don't try to force public schools to teach this.
@ErrollLeVant (4353)
• United States
8 Dec 06
Nothing can come from nothing. Something other than chance was necessary for the beginning. Design demands a designer. Concepts like irreducible complexity demonstrate that macro evolution is an impossibility. To teach darwinism without teaching the possibility of another answer is intellectually dishonest.
@mtbkanata (248)
• Canada
8 Dec 06
Okay, I agree that teaching only one side of a debate is not helpful.. but what about when the side being taught has been proven over and over? From what I read, it's like comparing apples to magic.
Is there anything that can be tough as a proof, or is everything taught just a hypothesis?
@AlmightyBigfoot888 (553)
• United States
9 Dec 06
intelligent design, that is the thought that we were created by a supreme being and didn't evolve from apes.
which of course is scientifically incorrect, since man and monkey have very similar DNA.
@abhishek87 (38)
• India
8 Dec 06
I'm a believer, a firm believer at that..I believe that the Lord God created this whole world, by his own hands..
But in todays world, I can see NO WAY that parents can force teachers in schools to teach intelligent design (I'd be happy if they do)..There are many who dont believe..They think that evolution is the right thing..I dont think there's any use in forcing anyone to learn about the Lord..
@mtbkanata (248)
• Canada
8 Dec 06
I'm thinking that you're not speaking literally... that a god built the universe with is 'hands'.
But why would you want to force anyone to learn about the lord? From what I've read, there is no proof that this is the way things happened... there is plenty of proof for the contrary.
Are you suggesting that teaching your religion is schools is important, and maybe this is a way to sneak that in? Only reason I ask is because there doesn't seem to be any other reason to teach something which has not yet been proven. I don't think there are any other subjects taught in schools that are 'myth' ... perhaps there are....
@xsle84 (99)
• Philippines
8 Dec 06
Discussion of ‘Intelligent Design’ implies that a specific religion has specific answers to questions, such as the nature of humanity and the Universe. If there is to be validity given to one particular version and this is mandated to be taught in publicly funded school systems, it certainly seems like a clear violation of separation of Church and State. One can easily make the case that, Hindu, Arapaho, Shintoist, Inuit, the aboriginal and native or any of the other stories are just as valid as that of a ‘Judeo-Christian’ interpretation. To put the imprint of the State on one peculiar variation of a belief and insist it be taught to exclusion of others should be an anathema to the very core of our Constitution.
All these stories are a wonderful rich tradition that belongs in the private lives of people’s personal religious beliefs, but it does not belong in a publicly funded science classroom -{perhaps the sociology class would be the ‘proper’ place for all these to be discussed, if the time would permit}.
Can one can have a religious belief and still believe in the discoveries of modern science and the scientific method? This discussion started well before Darwin, as amardeep said above - and the clash is between that of dogma, the fixed beliefs of man-made religion - and that of truth, as man continues to strive for knowledge, by using the best tool so far we have discovered{so far}, the self-correcting tool of the scientific method.
Newton, Einstein and Hawking have all wrestled with the question. Did Newton{who was very religious} have thoughts of blashphemy when he discovered the laws of gravity and motion which showed Earth was not the center of the Universe? Einstein said of quantum mechanics ‘God does not play dice’– Stephen Hawkings answer — ‘God not only plays with dice, He sometimes throws them where they can’t be seen{measured}’.
{Except perhaps by a Feynman diagram}.
One need not reject the theory there is a ‘Creator’ to maintain consistency with the theories of Darwinism, QED and other mysteries the Universe: it is in that search to uncover the truth of the nature of the Universe, that we begin to approach the ‘Creator’.
@mtbkanata (248)
• Canada
8 Dec 06
So maybe ID is a more cultural thing? Teaching that in schools is like passing on our culture?