Education hurting employment opportunities
By thewatchlist
@thewatchlist (653)
United States
December 17, 2006 10:10pm CST
Or more lack of education... I have the feeling that I might be stuck at my current pay level due to not having completed a college degree. I have quite a bit of experience (roughly 10 years of professional experience), but I think that not having a degree is holding me back from earning market value.
Is anyone else running into troubling landing the job that they want or getting the pay they feel they deserve because of a lack of degree? Or, on the flip side of the coin, are you turned down for a job because you are over educated? I know a couple of people with PhDs who have trouble getting a job and have been told that by the person interviewing them that that was the reason...
In my opinion, a degree in my field is nothing more than wallpaper and I think it's B.S. that I need one.
What do you think?
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41 responses
@hottamale (116)
• United States
18 Dec 06
oh my gosh this sounds just like my mom's situation! She can do ANYTHING and has so much experience. Most jobs that she deserves won't give her a second look because they want someone with a degree. I know she can do the job better than someone with a degree but they don't care. It does suck for people who are qualified through experience, but not on paper!
@thewatchlist (653)
• United States
18 Dec 06
I've actually had a few interviews that went really well. Or at least I thought they did. I got offered the job and when they tell me what they want to pay I cringe. I'm not making market value for this area now (and I know I am making less than the person I replaced for my current job). The jobs that I have been offered paid even less than what I'm making now even though they both seemed to be roughly the same jobs. They were with slightly smaller companies so maybe that was the difference.
@hottamale (116)
• United States
18 Dec 06
true! and like they won't give you the salary you deserve. or they won't offer you benefits or something like that. It's like just because you don't have a degree doesn't mean you aren't worth more than 6.50/hour!
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@jules99 (20)
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19 Dec 06
I was always told that education was the most important thing for future job prospects. However, I have a postgrad and still can't find a job much above the minimum wage. I would have been better off starting at 17 and working my way up.
@thewatchlist (653)
• United States
19 Dec 06
I came to that realization about 3 semesters (and 18,000$ in student loan debt) into the process. Good luck with the job searching and thanks for the comments.
@banta78 (4326)
• India
18 Dec 06
I think education is important for one to be groomed to become a learned person with good personality. but i don't think getting degree through distance education is better than person with 10 years of experience in his field. I think people give far too much importance to degrees which people who have crammed, mugged, copied, in exams get their way through. i thinka rt's degree is very easy as i am very good in social science. but i don't know how that can help me in services industry or any other industry. I think people should be hired and payed well depending how good they are if they are good learners, well qualified for job. But unfortaunately with so much comopetttion to choose they want excuses to turn down people or hire them only at low pay packages.
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@thewatchlist (653)
• United States
18 Dec 06
Thank you for your comment. I agree. Not many people stick with their original career throughout their lives so the degree that their work in eventually isn't all that important. People just want to see that piece of paper to show that they went through the motions.
The same thing about pushing through certifications exists. I know people with a number of professional IT certifications that can't do basic IT work because they went through certification mills and took tests over and over until they passed...
@thewatchlist (653)
• United States
19 Dec 06
I find it quite interesting to see all the different opinions. Some say that the degree is key, some think it is experience... I've gotten only a handful of messages like yours about how lack of one or the other is a major draw back.
Thanks for sharing.
@itsjustmeb (1212)
• Canada
18 Dec 06
Education is not necessarily the problem... MY sister has a degree and she still isn't getting jobs which are geared towards her degree...
@thewatchlist (653)
• United States
18 Dec 06
Thanks for the comment. I agree. The job market can be rather tough.
To get where I'm at, I had to take a job where I had to bust my butt working 60+ hours a week for about $8 an hour. I made a ton of great contacts though and was able to use those as references get hired in with my current employer.
@ItTakesAllSorts (4096)
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18 Dec 06
It does depend on the job you want. I am doing a degree at the moment to be a teacher, so it is a necessity. However, in other professions this may not be the way forward. I thought it is now expected that employers are to give yearly appraisals and put their employees on courses to further their development?
Maybe you could seek out training that could assist you and present it to your employer. Otherwise, there are many courses you could go on part-time in the evenings, which is how I am studying, and just sacrifice your time to achieve this. Although it is hard it is definately worth it. Especially nowadays where no ones job is safe, it is better for you in the long run and when you go for new jobs the employers will be impressed that you are eager to learn new things.
Having a degree, or being over qualified is now the way employers can discriminate and keep the most prestigious jobs open to those they choose and not on how much experience you have. Its a sad fact of life. In my present job I cannot earn anymore so I have had to go back into education. However, I have really enjoyed it.
I wish you luck.
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@thewatchlist (653)
• United States
19 Dec 06
Thanks for your comment. I do have a couple of professional certifications. I've seen people go to certification boot camps. It's a great money maker, but sadly you don't learn anything but how to take the test. A friend and former co-worker went to a very popular one (that is a national chain) and was given actual test questions/answers to study so they could pass the tests. It's a shame because that sort of thing will eventually dilute the value of professional certifications like that because there are too many "paper techs" out there that don't have the foggiest clue on topics they are supposedly certified engineers of.
@plumwish07 (4057)
• Indonesia
18 Dec 06
in my opinion, education it just another way to improve job position in working field. So if you not have higher education but able to have more skill and experience, i m sure you will able to compete with others :)
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@thewatchlist (653)
• United States
18 Dec 06
Thanks for your comment.
I'm gonna get enrolled in online classes and try to work the angle that I'm currently working towards my degree. It will be very far off, but hopefully it shows that I am putting forward effort to round out my skillset (and my resume) : )
@reinydawn (11643)
• United States
18 Dec 06
I'm a CPA and you HAVE to have a degree (plus some additional credits) in order to even TAKE the exam to TRY to become a CPA. This is a highly regulated field though and part of my job is maintaining the knowledge by constantly taking additional continuing education. Although I had about 15 years experience (which I needed 1.5 of that to get my license) before I became a CPA, the degree is mandatory.
That's a little different than IT (my secondary major) - the way things are changing, experience is a must. BUT, the degree really tells employers that you are teachable. Quite a few of the colleges around here allow you to apply your work experience towards class credits. You should look into that because it will help you get a lot of the stuff out of the way quickly.
As a side-note, have you ever thought of changing "careers"? My husband has a degree (not in his field) and is stuck at a management level job that doesn't pay that well, isn't a great company, and he basically hates going to work every day. He's tried to find other jobs - maybe in his field - but we're not able for him to take such a huge cut in pay and benefits. So, he's stuck with his current job - unelss he does something else. Which he's doing. We've started a home-based business that will become his full-time job. It's not for everyone, but if it's something you might want some more information on, I can have him contact you about it.
HAVE A GREAT DAY!
@thewatchlist (653)
• United States
18 Dec 06
Thank you very much for your comments.
Yes, some fields do require you to have a degree as part of the certification process.
I have been working on starting a home business. So far it has been profitable, but the trouble is being able to dedicate the time to it that it needs to make it a viable replacement for my current job. The trick with that is that my wife is a SAHM and currently has no income.
If you wouldn't mind, feel free to message me with more info and again, thank you very much for your input.
@jagdishrajan (189)
• India
18 Dec 06
Education is not as important as skill is. If you are an expert in your own domain, no interviewer could let you go away, if that person has some regard for the values of the organization. In fact, many HR professionals who do the interviewing for higher levels of candidates do the interview in relation to the need in the organization and not in comparison of their individual skill sets.
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@thewatchlist (653)
• United States
18 Dec 06
Part of the problem is that often the people doing the hiring are HR professionals and have no direct knowledge of the type of work they are trying to fill a position for... They usually are judging you based on how you look on paper, and how you act in your interview.
@thewatchlist (653)
• United States
18 Dec 06
I have enrolled in online classes starting next month.
Thanks for the comment.
@thediesel (287)
• Philippines
18 Dec 06
Experience is more important than education. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that education is not important. It is also a vital part of our life. There are just some things that you can never learn at school. Thru experience, we tend to become more confident and disciplined. We do things that we thought we can never do. We realized that we are more capable of doing some things by experiencing it first hand.
@thewatchlist (653)
• United States
18 Dec 06
Thanks for your comment. I agree totally with what you are saying. Unfortunately it seems like others (including some hiring managers) don't.
I don't really get why Actually doing something isn't always seen as important as Learning theory on how to do something.
@vacnikhil (15)
• India
18 Dec 06
yeah!.i hve got gud offers from multi national company..as a process xecutives..associates...n more..but as i was totally with my dad in his business..so culdnt spare time for my studies..so i flunk n had 2 back logs...but as when i became a graduate..the offer lapse...so i guess when u study..please dont devote your time in any other activity...
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@thewatchlist (653)
• United States
18 Dec 06
Thanks for the comment. I agree. It is very hard to dedicate your attention to classe when you are working 50 or so hours a week plus are married with children.
@sundeepm474 (888)
• India
18 Dec 06
i think the degree is for basic knoledge and it does not help in our working field.It helps us to just enter into the job thats all.And all the thing is done by our experience
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@thewatchlist (653)
• United States
18 Dec 06
I agree, it is important to get an entry level position. But, when you are looking for a job that isn't entry leve, why do some places still consider it so important?
@vinayras (6)
• India
18 Dec 06
Are you from India?
Degree is considered to be mind's mirror. But it does not shows the truth.
Having 10+ years of experience is enough to beat any degree holder - but several times it all depends upon the HR manager.
Jobs being turned down just because you are too over educated is rare. If you are too over educated - you need to apply at right place.
Hope i am clear enough to convey my thoughts.
@thewatchlist (653)
• United States
18 Dec 06
Thank you for your comments. I'm from the US. It sounds like the same situation occurs both here and there.
@thewatchlist (653)
• United States
18 Dec 06
Thanks for the comment. I don't know if I agree that education is the most important thing (at least not for every industry/job type).
Some schools unfortunately lag behind in the realm of technology (and other studies also). I took classes at one such place and was very disappointed. We were being taught outdated software on outdate hardwrard... One thing that work experience has gotten me was the chance to work in a real "lab" environment with recent equipment/software.
@navinshan (3933)
• Canada
18 Dec 06
I think degree pay more role in countries like usa, canada,uk,newzealand,australia and all other developed countries, but in developing countries like india, experience is most essential to get a better pay level and the job u want, so it depends, but if ur smart and a knowledgeble person, then u don't need a degree.
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@thewatchlist (653)
• United States
18 Dec 06
Thanks for the comment.
The trouble is getting some hiring managers to get past the fact that you don't have the degree, even if you have double the experience they are asking for. I usually do quite well in interviews. The problem is the jobs that I never even get a call about.
I know you don't get call backs for every single job, but in the last 3 years I've only gotten call backs for 2 positions out of maybe 10 that i've sent resume's off for. I got offered both of those 2 jobs after going through multiple interviews each place, only to then find out that they weren't willing to pay even what I am making right now (and I discussed my salary during 1st round interviews).
@stennisfoundation (96)
• United States
18 Dec 06
This is exactly where I'm at. I've applied for several positions that I more than qualify for experience-wise....but I've been turned down because I don't have a degree. It totally sux!
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@thewatchlist (653)
• United States
18 Dec 06
I agree, nothing better than seeing a place that only asks for 1/2 the experience you have but won't let you in the door because you don't have the degree.
Thanks for the comment and good luck with the job searching.
@serenetee (380)
• Singapore
18 Dec 06
From my experience and viewpoint, your boss will compare your capabilities with others holding the same position. If all being equal, higher salary will naturally be awarded to the one with higher qualifications (they have invested alot to get their degrees). If you are a better performer, than your market value will be at par or higher than your peers with higher qualification. You need to outperform your peers in your job delivery to be recognised, since you are losing out on the paper qualifications. No offence but reality is harsh.
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@thewatchlist (653)
• United States
18 Dec 06
I agree...
I am a department manager here and have no exact peers within the company. I get great reviews and was offered the position because of my previous hard work with this company.
My issue is that it is unfortunately hard to get my foot in the door for interviews at other places.
@thewatchlist (653)
• United States
18 Dec 06
Unfortunately, I think you are right... It is needed, but I don't feel it should be for certain professions. My biggest problem is now that I've moved into a management position I need to have some schooling in management for other employers to seriously look at me for the same type.
@198112 (335)
• United States
18 Dec 06
If you have that much experience you should really get an degree.
I am starting school the beginning of next year and the school I am enrolled in is www.wgu.edu . It is called Western Governor's University. From my review the university is awesome and very affordable, and accredited.
Its unlike any other traditional college you learn at your own pace, it is totally online, except for the proctor tests that require you to go to a school of your choice and be tested, plus going school can be literally free if you qualify for financial aide by completing your Fafsa.
I think you shouldn't hesitate on completing your education.
My enrollment counselor really encouraged me to go as fast as I could. He said it is a possiblity that I can get my Bachelor's Degree in Information Technology in as little as two years.
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@thewatchlist (653)
• United States
18 Dec 06
Thanks for the comment/advice.
I've already signed up for online classes. The trouble is my work schedule is a bit hectic. Work weeks are 45 to 60 hours per week, on call 24/7 (which sometimes has required travel more than an hour each way), and of course family obligations (married with children).