Santa Banned from School
By pemaldak
@pemaldak (79)
United States
December 21, 2006 10:05pm CST
A man in Fairfax, VA wanted to go to his son's "Holiday" Party dressed as Santa Claus. The principal did not allow it saying it will offend non-Christian children. The father conceded, not wanting to show his son that it is ok to go against school regulations. Seems like everything nowadays offends somebody and we just might end up losing all traditions and practices which have made America the beautiful country that it is. Should we appease everyone because they are offended?
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@squrrly26 (556)
• United States
22 Dec 06
This is the land of the free and if you can't do things such as go to a school dressed as santa then there is something wrong with this country. This country has so many different types of people with so many types of religous beliefs its insane. America was based on christianity and if they start banning things that are related to it because it offends someone else then America has lost what it was based on. I feel that the people that are mainly offended are the ones that moved here from another country not the ones that were originally here and if you are going to move to another country then you are going to have accept their beliefs and deal with them. If you don't like them then get out of that country and go back to where you came from. I know this sounds racist,but I mean if I was to move to some other country I would be expected to accept their beliefs and if I didn't then that would just be my problem. Would they change everything on account of hell no they wouldn't so I don't see why America should change any of its original beliefs for anyone.
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@clownfish (3269)
• United States
22 Dec 06
Just something to think about - some of the beliefs you are blasting existed centuries before santa clause. We have just as much right to celebrate those as you do your fake santa.
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@sunshinecup (7871)
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22 Dec 06
America was NOT based on Christianity, but based on the idea of Freedom of religion! Good greif a bit of history reading would clarify that in no time.
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@clownfish (3269)
• United States
22 Dec 06
You're right, America was not based on christianity.
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@clownfish (3269)
• United States
22 Dec 06
According to Separation of Church and State, the school should not have been having a holiday party to begin with. You all seem to want it both ways. You want freedom, as long as it's for you and no one else.
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@clownfish (3269)
• United States
22 Dec 06
Amen, Sunshinecup! Here's what I don't understand. Why is everyone getting so worked up over a fictional character that DOESN'T EXIST? I don't get it! Don't blame the rest of us because we don't buy into this lie against children. It's not our fault others aren't allowing it into schools.
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@sunshinecup (7871)
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22 Dec 06
Say it again!!! You bet if the story was about a mother wanting to go to school dressed like a Wiccan Goddess and be around the kids, the stuff would hit the fan! BTW why in the world do these people think, different religions and customs are new to this country? By the way they sound, one would think our founding fathers was shooting non-Christians as they step off the boats. People have got to stop being so hateful in the name of God. Seriously
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@clownfish (3269)
• United States
22 Dec 06
Hi! This is how I see it. Perhaps the parent did not clear this with the teacher and just decided on his own that he would do this. I don't see many schools allowing that without making arrangements first. I would not be offended. Actually, I would be grateful because I am not doing santa with my daughter. I am being truthful with her that he is, as she says, "pretend."
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@clownfish (3269)
• United States
22 Dec 06
Hey, Razcal! Nice to see you! For the record, I was at my daughter's preschool class when they allowed a santa to come in and pass out candy canes. I didn't get upset or even say anything. My hubby wants to celebrate christmas, and we do both at our house, the christian holidays and the jewish festivals. I simply tell my daughter that santa is a story and that he is pretend. I just don't want her to get to be about 7 or 8 and be angry that I lied to her about someone who doesn't even exist! I don't see any point in undermining her trust in me. :-)
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@jenbatres (799)
• United States
3 Jan 07
Many kids go through the pretend stage, when mine did I told her the truth.
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@lovespecialangel (3632)
• United States
22 Dec 06
so i guess when halloween comes around thats the only time you can dress as santa? well i tell you one thing i came from a religious background and we supported the santa theory and if anyone is offended by that then i guess they should mind there own business. i dont go telling them not to celebrate there beliefs and i sure dont go to other countries and tell them how to believe.most countries would shoot you in the streets for that kind of thing. I know i was in the military and the places i've been they would arrest you for desecrating there beliefs.Maybe that is what we should do here in America.Oh yeah thats right we cant its the land of the free and all that. well i say then if its freedom we support here then lets start now put In God We Trust back where its always been. Our forfathers would roll in there graves to see how we bow down to satisfy different cultures.So now i'm supposed to give up my rights,to appease others ok now i just lost my rights.So where does it end.When we give it all up and just let people dictate what this country was founded upon.People from all over move here because of what we stand for now they live here they want us to change.....I say stop it now before its to late.
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@lovespecialangel (3632)
• United States
23 Dec 06
look, all it boils down to is don't come here and expect us to change just becuase you are here. You wanna come here for a better life? Welcome! But don't give this crap that what I do or believe offends you. I don't care who I offend! I believe in God and I'm going to show it. I go to a resturant to eat, I say my prayers. Don't like it? Look away. I want to dress as Santa or let my kids believe there is a Santa. Don't like it? Look away! Don't come here and say you have to change the way this country has always been because it offends me. If it offends you that bad...go back home. Or try a different country. The only one I have to accomidate is God. And I'm not going to hind my beliefs because it offends some one. Give me a break.
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@sunshinecup (7871)
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22 Dec 06
The Dude could not wear a Santa suite to his kids school. How is THAT giving up your rights?
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@kris182_2000 (5469)
• Canada
22 Dec 06
Our forfathers would roll in there graves to see how we bow down to satisfy different cultures. IT'S CALLED CULTURAL DIVERSITY. How many of your forefathers were not American? You're telling me that they all were? Somehow that surprises me.
People move to your country and mine because they're looking for a better life than they could have back in their home country. And we welcome them, and are flexible in accomodating them. Heaven forbid we actually learn something about their culture. Heck if no one imigrated to our countries, we wouldn't learn about them and their cultures.
I like having such a diverse mix of people where I live. I learn a lot from them that I could never learn in school. You get first hand knowledge from them.
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@mo1dlz8 (9)
• United States
22 Dec 06
I think that by the principal not letting the father go to the party dressed as santa, the principal offended his tradition. This country has become so sensitive that we can't even let people openly celebrate their own traditions, for fear of offending someone elses traditions. Well, the only thing I really have to say to that is, America is a melting pot, and if someone gets offended by someone else practicing their traditions, then they should've never come to this country to begin with.
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@reinydawn (11643)
• United States
22 Dec 06
For a lack of better word - AMEN TO THAT!
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@clownfish (3269)
• United States
22 Dec 06
Good point! And these "people" you are "accomodating" are also citizens of this country who have just as many rights as you do.
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@kris182_2000 (5469)
• Canada
22 Dec 06
These people move to our countries and become citizens. They study hard and pass their citizenship tests. I don't believe they've come here to take over. How would you feel moving to another country and having people there accusing you of taking over?
This is exactly what's happening. It's one big accusation.
People should learn to accept the cultural differences that surround us. These differences surround us day to day, NOT just at Christmas time.
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@kris182_2000 (5469)
• Canada
22 Dec 06
Because maybe it helps others believe that you care about more than yourself.
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@badmammajdollars (83)
• United States
22 Dec 06
Wow, since when has santa had anything to do with a religious belief. First time I heard of that one. Anyways, what's the difference between santa and a clown. None, it's just that one bears gift on a religious holiday.
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@Lackingstyle (7509)
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22 Dec 06
American term holidays are usually close to UK ones so Divali is infact giving holidy as I believed it's celebrated towards the end of the October/November half term.
At the end of the day the country is a Christian country, regardless of who pays into it.
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@clownfish (3269)
• United States
22 Dec 06
And why should one religious holiday be given preference over another? That's the problem here. Only christmas is being celebrated in public schools. It's hardly fair to those who don't celebrate christmas or celebrate other religious holidays. But, the public school system only celebrates christian holidays. How is that fair to everyone who pays taxes to the same school system when only ONE religion is allowed into that school system?
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@mansha (6298)
• India
22 Dec 06
I am from India and we also face such problems regarding traditions due to diversity in cultures. We have proper moral brigades running here and even authorities are at loss to control them. I am not a christian but my son believes in Santa and for past so many years I have been giving him a 5RS coin for tooth fairy and buying him presents from Santa. I love the spirit of this festival. Though I do not go to mass and all but greet all my christian friends that day. I even make a cake for my son. I think its a time to rejoice not hurt sentiments. I celebrate ID and Diwali with equal Zeal. I hate people who in name of sentiments promote hate and indulge in vandalism. HEre Valentine day becomes a day for the moral brigades to create tension in the city. WHile i see nothing wrong in going out and celebrating the day with someone you love. I think with diversity in cultures and freedom of speech many people just try to misuse these for their own benefits.I feel school children would have felt happier to find Santa among them principal was utterly wrong in denying him to enter the school. With such close minded gaurdians its really difficult to overcome racial prejudices.
@reinydawn (11643)
• United States
22 Dec 06
I like the way you think. I also think quite a bit of Holidays are about family friends and just taking the time to spend with them. It's the spirit of caring that is expressed and that should be embraced.
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@shooie (4984)
• United States
22 Dec 06
It is kinda sad isn't it. But will say if God can't go to school then guess it is fair that Santa can't go either. People scream it isn't fair to allow this it isn't fair to allow this. It goes against our belief. Well what about everyone elses beliefs. I see it this way. You don't believe in God then when the flag salute is sad don't say it. If a teacher wants to pray over her class before it starts and you don't believe then don't bow your head. Every one screams equal rights and everyone gets their rights but the Christian....sad sad
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@clownfish (3269)
• United States
22 Dec 06
What? Christians don't get their way? You must be joking. Public schools have parties every year for halloween, christmas, valentine's day, and easter. When's the last time a public school had a Purim party or served Hamentashen cookies? When's the last time a public school took leavened foods out of the cafeteria for the kids who keep Passover? I'm so sick of hearing christians whine about how many freedoms they've lost. You haven't lost any freedoms, it's the rest of us who have to fight for our freedoms.
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@sunshinecup (7871)
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22 Dec 06
So you would be fine if a Wiccan Teacher prayed to her Goddess over your son/daughter at school? Somehow I don't think many would be fine with that.
BTW how is it the Christians do not get their way? By not being allowed into public schools to convert children when they should be there learning to read and write?
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@MESUSHANT (196)
• India
22 Dec 06
I think the approach of school is not right. Is there any children who dont loves santa although he/she is christian or not. The Festivals are open up for all and not limited to particulars.
@reinydawn (11643)
• United States
22 Dec 06
Oppss... sorry Sunshinecup, but Santa is one of many things that have to do with education. This might have actually been a great tool for the school to use if they were open to the idea of teaching about ALL forms of cultural habits. Unfortunately, the curriculum does not allow time for teaching everything like that so the kids do kinda miss out on that type of education in the schools. I'm totally for learning about different things and I wish we were able to do this better with our children. Now that I think about it, maybe people are afraid that if their kids see someone elses beliefs they will convert???? I wonder...
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@sunshinecup (7871)
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22 Dec 06
So why can't the parents take their children to all these festivals? What in the world does Santa have to do with education?
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@win0120ph (135)
• Philippines
23 Dec 06
We should not try to appease every one. If they dont want to see christian tradition, they can send their kids to exclusive schools.
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@sunshinecup (7871)
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23 Dec 06
Why should they? It's public school, Open to all children in the public. If the Christians want their children exposed to only Christian beleifs, let THEM send them to an exclusive school. Because most school pick between two, either expose ALL traditions from ALL beleifs, or don't go there at all. I don't know what the problem is for some people.
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@sunshinecup (7871)
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22 Dec 06
I don't get that same feeling. A school is different than an entire society. Santa Claus is every where, shopping malls, toy stores, TV. There isn't any shortage of sightings. I think the school was trying it's best not to forget those children who's family have different beliefs than most. Remember, not all families are into the Santa thing. Some Christian families find it offensive just as some non-Christian families do. I don't see any wrong here on the school's part, the principal was doing what she thought was best for her all of her students. I don't think this was a appease everyone situation, it was more like a let's keep the school a school situation and the parents can take their children to go see Santa if they wish.
@BittyBiddy (2903)
• Ireland
22 Dec 06
I think it would have been a better idea to let Santa Claus in to greet all the children. Children know nothing about religions or divisions and it would have been great fun for them all. I never looked on Santa as anything to do with the religious aspect of Christmas to be honest with you. I don't know why.
In Ireland, we have a hospital that was very famous for it's crib and thousands of people would flock to see it. Last year it was decided that because of all the foreign nationals now living here that the crib would be moved out of the hospital for fear of causing offence. But in taking this decision they angered a lot of people.
I think that the everyones religions and customs should be respected. If I went to live in another country I would not expect them to start moving religious icons out of my sight or changing their way of doing things in schools just because my children are in the school. I'd like my children to be catered for, but I'd also like them to appreciate others' beliefs.
@amafrias (455)
• United States
22 Dec 06
This is happening so much everywhere. My daughters school also wouldn't allow Santa or a play, or any of the things my oldest 21, did. The funny thing is, she came home today, her last day before the break for Christmas, and they had colored a nativity scene. What sense does that make? If your going to stop it, you can't be choosey about which parts you stop and which parts you don't. I believe everyone has a right to there own religeous beliefs, or not to believe anything at all, and to worship there own Holidays. I just don't believe Christmas Decorations and Santa Cluas is not something they aren't going to see everywhere they go. There ain't no gettin around that one..And it has been done in the schools for many, many years and most turned out just fine. Might have been a few traumatized children come out of it, but hey..For real, it is a Holiday that you can't get around in the United States at least. It's big, and getting too big by the way...lol It's all about the stuff now..
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@kris182_2000 (5469)
• Canada
22 Dec 06
Exactlty.
Santa Claus exists in different countries all over the world. Look it up. He takes on different forms in different cultures.
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@FraYFaN09 (1558)
• United States
22 Dec 06
Wow.... that's insane... I've also heard that either teachers won't be allowed or aren't allowed now to say Merry Christmas to their students because it has to do with God..... people these days are just crazy!
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@sunshinecup (7871)
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22 Dec 06
Nope, they can say it. It's said all the time along with Happy Hanukkah and Happy Kwanzaa. Teachers can even say "God Bless you". They are even allowed to wear a cross and pray over their lunch as well as the students. What isn't allowed is preaching or having the class pray together. God is in schools, it's just not part of the curriculm and THAT seems to put a bug up alot of butts.
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@clownfish (3269)
• United States
22 Dec 06
So why can't I say that to you? I was born and raised in the US and no one gives a damn about what I believe! Quit your whining and deal with it. And, the national language was almost Hebrew from the start, NOT English. This country was not founded by christian men. Do your research. Most of them wanted nothing to do with God.
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@uselesspowers (240)
• United States
22 Dec 06
I'm all for freedom of religion, but it's ridiculous how often the "someone might get offended" card gets played. I celebrate Christmas, but I don't get offended by symbols of other holiday celebrations. If I can handle it, I think others should be able to handle it too.
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@onesiobhan (1327)
• Canada
22 Dec 06
The principal is an idiot. Santa has nothing to do with Christianity.
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@sunshinecup (7871)
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22 Dec 06
... or education for that matter. What I really don't get, is why are people so upset over the idea of a school NOT supporting the idea of telling kids it's ok to set on a strange man's lap or talk to him,as long as he has a red suit and a white beard. When you think about it, it's darn creepy.
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@bakaldude (37)
• Philippines
22 Dec 06
didn't the "Holiday" Party in the school in Fairfax, VA offend anyone? just a thought...Christmas, being a Christian tradition and all. why was there a "Holiday" party to begin with? oh, well, i'll probably never figure it out.
but really, you don't end up losing all traditions and practices because you can't practice those things publicly. we always go home don't we? so keep practicing your traditions at home.
but if you really want to...keep practicing it publicly. you'll only offend the others. it's not like you'll get persecuted and thrown into a lion's den or fight a gladiator hehehehehehhehe
just my two cents
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@reinydawn (11643)
• United States
22 Dec 06
I think that's a big part of what we've lost - being able to express ourselves openly. Now we have to worry about "offending" someone. OOHHH, they have rights and I'm violating them by exercising my rights... I think people are way too extreme nowadays.
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