Generic Modern Music - has originality died, or am I just getting old?
By angelicEmu
@angelicEmu (1311)
December 26, 2006 5:50pm CST
We seem to be in a permanent cycle of old styles coming back into fashion, in both music and fashion! This has got to the stage where with most "acclaimed" "new" (!?!) bands, I can generally tell which band's style they're ripping off, and which song they're ripping off (not always by the band they're ripping off!). There is a difference between homage and plagiarism, and I imagine it's because I'm getting old now, but it all sounds like mediocre plagiarism to me nowadays! Does anyone else think the same, or is it just my age and cycnicism?
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@clownfish (3269)
• United States
27 Dec 06
Hi! I agree with you completely. There is very little originality in today's music, which is why I rarely listen to the radio anymore. Most "new" music sounds like noise to me, or there are very few notes in the song (very bland), or the lyrics are repetitive. Let's face it, the Eagles, Journey, Styx, Foreigner, Boz Scaggs, Rod Stewart, Hall and Oates, and others like them are leaving some very big shoes to fill!
@angelicEmu (1311)
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27 Dec 06
Hear hear!! In my opinion, music of the 20's-80's (with a few notable exceptions) is proper music. Musicianship, and quality were in abundance, even in the musicians whose music is not to my taste! I think it's because music was still seen as an art, not as a product, which it is nowadays!
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@angelicEmu (1311)
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14 Jan 07
Thanks for the recommendation! Luckily I have a mammoth collection of good music, so I rarely tire of that, but I'll certainly bear that station in mind.
@Wanderlaugh (1622)
• Australia
14 Jan 07
No, you're hearing the old technology, and multitrack miracles in their correct perspective. These kids are using patches from things like Hammond organs and sounds that are older than they are. Some have woken up, and are making their own music, but the industry and the lazy makers of their equipment are making it tough for them. Generic garbage is just that. The ripoffs are also a "cultural" thing, homage by theft. Perfectly acceptable for marketers who don't have any talent, either. Pretty dismal, I agree. There are a few who are finally breaking the market icons, though.
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@angelicEmu (1311)
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14 Jan 07
Thanks for your comments. I do think that "homage" is just a term they bandy about to justify their plagiarism, and to make themselves appear more cultured. Pretentious youth... there was never any of that in my day - or at least not as much of it! LOL
@JohnnyMurder (611)
• United States
13 Jan 07
im only 24 , and i feel like todays music sux. i listen to alot of older music now. the doors, sting, stuff like that is awesome.
@angelicEmu (1311)
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14 Jan 07
Thanks for your comments, and I'm glad to hear you're familiar with the quality musicians of yesteryear (although Sting is a bit hit-or-miss in my opinion).
@nuffsed (1271)
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3 Jan 07
It's true. Once you have heard all the Beatles and Rolling Stones and Led Zeppelin stuff, there's not a lot of roon for originality. The 60's and 70's were the best for creative music writing. There was so much going on, we took it for granted.
But today the promotion and management of bands and artists is all about a fast buck.
The talent is still out there, check out the small pubs and bars that have live music. But talent for playing, and talent for writing are totally different.
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@Adrenochrome (1653)
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3 Jan 07
Everything musical today seems to be either a cover version (the 80s being the current fad era for such plagiarism) or bland as all hell. That said, I think we might both be getting old.
@angelicEmu (1311)
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14 Jan 07
LOL! Yes, I agree - I'm certainly feeling like an old fogey nowadays - now where did I put my teeth....? I think that most of the time these whipper-snappers don't even realise they're plagiarising, as they remember an old tune they'd forgotten hearing. That's a common thing when trying to come up with something new, and that's why knowing about music and musicians is so important when being creative. They do seem rather vacuous nowadays. Or perhaps that's also my age...
@angelicEmu (1311)
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4 Jan 07
Absolutely - I'm glad to be getting old! Too many people nowadays are obsessed with staying young, which is quite sad really. I embrace the ageing process, and it means I enjoy life more, if anything!
@starr4all (2863)
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27 Dec 06
I'm getting sick of it too. Where is the originality? All I keep seeing is remakes. Remakes of old songs or using some old song style to new songs. It's just getting old.
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@angelicEmu (1311)
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14 Jan 07
It is isn't it - and at least the original songs were quality on the whole. Thanks for your comments!
@MrNiceGuy (4141)
• United States
27 Dec 06
Its funny to watch all the bands that play exactly the same music and sound exactly the same as every other band. They all hae 4 word names and play crappy music that for some reason kids are eating up these days. I hate it.
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@angelicEmu (1311)
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14 Jan 07
Thanks for your comments. They are very samey - in the UK they generally have one or two word names, but all merge into one.
@Ashida (1370)
• United States
1 Jan 07
I would say it's a combination of both. It does seem like we live in an unoriginal time, but I don't wonder if it's always been this way and we are just more aware of it now because of age. I think true originality is rare and always has been. We remember the original works from the past, but those generic songs and movies just go away, so perhaps our recollections of more original times are a bit skewed as well.
And just for the record, I happen to agree with you.
@angelicEmu (1311)
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14 Jan 07
Thanks for your input. I do think that in certain other eras there were more original artists, with vision and vitality, whereas recently they seem to have stopped trying. I'm sure there will be a revival of quality soon - at least I hope so!
@bimmer999 (1158)
• Philippines
27 Dec 06
well i think music producers are running out of ideas..
there is only so much beats and music combinations available..
there will come a time when original music will be rare..
too much revivals too..
oh well
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@angelicEmu (1311)
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14 Jan 07
Thanks for your comments. I think the problem is more that producers aren't actually musicians, so just market sounds they know will sell. The people who are making individual quality music don't tend to get the opportunities nowadays, as there's so much crap to wade through before you find a gem!
@sarahbeth1977 (384)
• United States
27 Dec 06
I completely agree - however, I think the lack of originality is to be blamed on the easy accessibility - anyone who knows how can make a CD these days and sell it with iTunes or the local store. It's easier now more than ever to get music out there - be it the internet or even American Idol. Therefore, when something is created in mass quantities, it obscures the truly original.
I completely agree with you - you rarely find truly original bands - however, the ones that ARE original will be the ones who last - everyone else will just be seen as a "one-hit-wonder" so to speak.
@angelicEmu (1311)
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14 Jan 07
Thanks for your input. I agree - it does seem to be quantity, rather than quality. Hopefully there will be some original artists to show for this generation, musically!
@angelicEmu (1311)
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14 Jan 07
Thanks for your input! I agree they're recycling songs, but I think I am probably getting old - not a bad thing though in my opinion!
@harris24982 (530)
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27 Dec 06
i was listening to an interview with cascada the otherday (ripped of mor songs than i can remember)
they were talking about another band that did a cover of an old song when cascada said that ripping of songs was wrong found that funny
@angelicEmu (1311)
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14 Jan 07
Thanks for your input! I can't say I've heard of cascada, but I get the impression that some of these people are unknowingly remembering tunes they heard as kids, which have stuck in their minds. This goes to show they don't know much about music, or have much musicianship (which includes knowing about music of past eras as well as current ones).
@cuddlebug79705 (2003)
• United States
27 Dec 06
I in my twenties, so I guess that is why I do enjoy most of todays music. Admittedly, I pretty much only listen to rock music, but I don't recall alot of the sounds I hear in rock/alternative/punk being played previously. I think it is a matter of age and openmindedness.
@angelicEmu (1311)
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14 Jan 07
Thanks for your contribution to the discussion. It is probably down to my age - get out the zimmerframe LOL!! I think that it's great for youngsters like yourself to be openminded - I know I was at your age, but as you get older, and experience more, you do tend to know more, and spot where newer bands (and this isn't just true of music, but of all sorts of things) are drawing their influences from. Just a sign of age, but not a bad thing, as by my age you get a bit discerning - or fuddy-duddy, depending on how you look at it! LOL. Thanks again :-)
@monkeygirl17 (167)
• United States
27 Dec 06
I totally agree with you. Most modern popular music takes little to no talent. And it all sounds the same. To hear really good music you have to check all stations on the radio or go online. There are still true artists left.
@angelicEmu (1311)
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14 Jan 07
Thanks for the comment - I am getting old though, and am quite happy about that. With age comes discernment and free bus-passes!
@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
27 Dec 06
I'm not very fond of most of todays "current hits" myself and actually gave up on the radio some 5 yrs ago or so (which is when I started building my CD collection)...There are some new songs/groups that I do like I will admit but I'm far more partial to the original punk and goth, the classic rock, the old school jazz and blues etc etc over much of todays stuff...I think its not just in the music area though I think that entertainment in general has completely lost its originality..look at all the remake movies that have come otu the past few yrs..its very rare to find original idea movies these days...I can think of only a few like Hard Candy (great movie), Saw, Hostel etc but the rest are either remakes or copy cats...same with tv shows...they're all the same...
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@angelicEmu (1311)
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27 Dec 06
I absolutely agree with your comments about cinema and TV, but in my opinion, it's only American (and to some extent, British) TV and film which have lost originality, hence the remakes of classics and foreign films. This recycling is probably because Hollywood is run by the sponsors and producers who view film as a product to be marketed, and think that if the films fit certain "popular" criteria they'll make them lots of money, instead of letting the writers and directors make films as they want to (film is an art, not a product after all). Asian and European cinema still have their originality, and are becoming more and more popular in the West (particularly through Tarantino's introducing Western audiences to this style of film) hence Hollywood's re-making (and butchering) of classics such as the Japanese Ring series of films, and their butchering of Dark Water, and the Taxi series. That's capitalism and an undiscerning audience for you!
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@feralcat (426)
• Canada
27 Dec 06
I'm so out of touch really with today's sound. Honestly I stop keeping up with new music back around 1995 when I found music became something of looks more then original sound or style. I kept up with bands I was listening to prior and did come across a few that peaked my interest.
There are bands that I have discovered lately that I enjoy. One is A.C.T. This bad is from Sweden and is a great prog rock band with some influence by Rush and ELO. I tend to go for more obscure bands these days, non-mainstream (always prefered the obscure to mainstream).
If you enjoy the old prog rock of the 70s checm out Inside Out America. They have wonderful bads on there such as Porcupine Tree, Spock's Beard, Kino, and yep SAGA.
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@angelicEmu (1311)
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14 Jan 07
Thanks for the recommendations. There are lots of foreign bands I enjoy listening to, as they seem to still have some originality and character. I might give some of those bands a listen sometime too.