Should Military Recruiters Be Allowed to Romance our Teens in HighSchool
By AZmomof3boys
@AZmomof3boys (94)
United States
December 26, 2006 6:56pm CST
Due to the NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND ACT, the military gets our teens home phone numbers when they turn 17. They call the house using a younger teens voice asking for the teen and then starts engaging them in conversation. The parent does not have to be informed. The Recruiters take the kid out to lunch, buy them minutes on their prepaid cells, whatever the teen tells them they want to do, the recruiter will turn it around and tell them that in the military they can learn to do it, plus the government will pay for college too. They make it seem so great and really make it so romantic. I am feverishly opposed to preying on our youth in high school without the knowledge of the parents. Some schools don't even give parents the option to opt out. In many cases they don't even know this is going to happen. I believe that is very underhanded and should be exposed. What are your beliefs...
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@owlwings (43910)
• Cambridge, England
27 Dec 06
That sounds like a misuse of data. I don't know what the Data Protection law is in the US but in the UK, if personal data is used for a different purpose to that specified when the information was given, it is illegal.
I just checked the Act, though, and found the following clauses:
"(1) ACCESS TO STUDENT RECRUITING INFORMATION- Notwithstanding section 444(a)(5)(B) of the General Education Provisions Act and except as provided in paragraph (2), each local educational agency receiving assistance under this Act shall provide, on a request made by military recruiters or an institution of higher education, access to secondary school students names, addresses, and telephone listings.
(2) CONSENT- A secondary school student or the parent of the student may request that the student's name, address, and telephone listing described in paragraph (1) not be released without prior written parental consent, and the local educational agency or private school shall notify parents of the option to make a request and shall comply with any request."
I think that every student or parent should exercise their right to prevent the listing of names, addresses and phone numbers for this purpose.
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@AZmomof3boys (94)
• United States
27 Dec 06
Yes I agree. I am absolutely outraged but not the least bit surprised. I feel that the kids who want that life will find it, you don't need to tell lies to make it appear something it is not. I think that people should be made aware of this act and respond to the military with a loud NO!
@ae2324 (84)
• United States
27 Dec 06
Yes exactly. That is not cool how many teenagers tricked. If someone wants to work in the music industry, they just say "We will help you get in if you join the millitary! Many famous musicians were in the military."
Ive seen it happan too. Outside my local mall there were to soldiers talking to people who looked anywhere from 17 to about 21.
@hunny2pooh (35)
• United States
20 Jan 07
Very few recruiters are like that. Most will tell you what you want to know.And yes they do go to malls and yes they do look for a certain age. What would you have them do,start a draft?
@mkirby624 (1598)
• United States
27 Dec 06
Recruiters were calling my house when I was 17...which was about 3 years before NCLB trying to tell me all the fabulous things the military could do for me. At least two calls a day. They didn't have to go through my parents. They got my information because almost all high school students take the ASVAB, a type of test to gauge your aptitude for being in the military.
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@AZmomof3boys (94)
• United States
27 Dec 06
Did you ever ask them to stop and if so, did it stop? Did you tell your parents that this was going on? What country?
@MrNiceGuy (4141)
• United States
27 Dec 06
Yes they should be allowed to court teens that are eligible for service. These public schools are getting tax dollars, so its illegal for the school to keep the recruiters away.
The recruiters don't lie to the kids, and kids should definately know whats up with the military beforehand. You CAN learn in a great career in the army and they WILL pay for college. Today there are actually many jobs coming out of that sector and its a great way for people that might not be able to afford college to get a good education while serving their country.
@MrNiceGuy (4141)
• United States
27 Dec 06
And are you aware that recruiters aren't allowed to lie to recruits?
Go defend your country on your own then.
@cassiem0221 (274)
• United States
27 Dec 06
Right on Mom!!!! My husband was in the navy before we were together. They came to his school, told him all this great stuff and, got him to go out to lunch! The recruiter told him that in the Navy, he could come home when he wanted, they would pay for his college, people could visit him, he could call home anytime, they would fly him home, etc etc... Well, when his first leave was available they wouldn't let him go home. He got all the college and the things that they promised were lies. The college was paid for by the Navy right? Sure, but it was garnished back out of his wages. His airplane ticket out there? Sure, but it was garnished back out of his wages. They promised him a haven that would provide education, wages, contact with family etc..As it turns out, they will tell you anything to go out and risk your life! Stay away from them kids! I am STRONGLY against recruiters going into our children's schools and brainwashing them with this make believe world that doesn't exist!
@ljmc24 (413)
• United States
27 Dec 06
I had a friend that was already married when he enlisted, well they told him his wife would be able to live with him and all that. Well they stationed him in Japan and she wasn't allowed to live with him till he made a certain rank. They ended up getting divorced and he wasn't allowed to return home on leaves like he was promised either. My husband's father joined shortly after he was born and was shipped out for over two years till they could join him on base. I will agree they are very deceptive, but then we still do need our military and I am grateful for the ones serving and fighting, but there should be better ways of going about things.
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@hunny2pooh (35)
• United States
20 Jan 07
Oh my goodness. I hate when people say things that they know nothing about. yes there is some recriters out there that are complet jerks and actually do things like that. but most are not like that. i'm telling you this by experience. My fiance` is a recruiter and has been for almost three years now.I know many recrutiers from every branch and have never met one yet that has done that. the Army does offer alot of benefits. more than you can get thru most jobs. Yes they talk to our highschool students. But not without the parents knowing. Most the time it's the parents answering the phone. but if it's not they have to have the parents permission to join if under the age of seventeen. I've not known any of the seniors to join without their parents knowing. As matter of fact i know of a few that have backed out because their parents don't want them to join. You really should stop listening to everything you hear on TV. Not all our recruiters are jerks. it's people like you that my fiance` has to put up with everyday.
@AZmomof3boys (94)
• United States
20 Jan 07
Hi Hunny,
First let me thank you for responding to my original post. Having said that. You have made plenty of assumptions here in your writing so let me correct you so this discussion doesn't go array. You are assuming I know nothing about the military. Myth #1. I am married for 16 years into a military family. My father-in-law was a decorated 20 year air force vet. Upon retirement he also was an attorney at fact for Disabled American Vets so they may get the benefits they were entitled to.
I will not address your comment regarding the practices of recruiters because obviously NOT ALL recruiters are jerks. Not all attorneys are scum, not all used car salesmen are crooks. Having said that, when the shoe fits where it and when it does not, set it aside. I am not arguing about the military and its' benefits. For some it is a wonderful opportunity. My objection is the recruiting practices as a whole. If you are not a parent of a teenager being affected by this, then you are the one speaking without knowing the facts. Just because your engaged to a "good" decent recruiter doesn't mean that this is not going on. And it is NOT only my experiences that caused me to write this, it is happening to many teens in my area of the country and other parts of the country.
You say that a child cannot join the military without the permission of the parent, but once again unless you have parented a teenager who has been influenced by people they "Trust" then once again it is YOU who do not know what your talking about. I acknowledge that children cannot go into the military before 18 or without the parental consent, but as a parent of a teen, I do not want recruiters going behind my back to sing the praises of the military to my naive teenager. And before you say it is only my teen that is naive, think again. We teach our children to trust authority. Who has more authority than the US government. Albeit, my son is a free thinker, unfair tactics are being utilized to get to children such as my child. It is almost as if psychological profiling is going on and then based on they "type" of child they are attempting to recruit they use specific tactics.
So, as you can see it isn't TV that is forming these opinions, it is 1st hand knowledge. In fact, I make every effort to not watch the news as it is disgusting. But listen, I am glad you are marrying your dream guy soon and I am proud that he serves our country. But you my dear, only have 2nd hand information from a man you love dearly and it is YOU who knows not that she knows not.
Good day!
@pookie92 (1714)
• United States
27 Dec 06
I disagree with this policy wholeheartedly. If the teen is still living at home, and is under the age of 18 they should have to go through the parents. I don't even think they should be able to be at the schools. Geez, don't our kids have enough to contend with at school with schoolwork, peer pressure and everything else that goes with growing up. If I found this happening with my kids, I would really have to buck the system.
@AZmomof3boys (94)
• United States
27 Dec 06
I agree with you. That is where I am right now, ready to buck the system. Fortunately I found this out before my son entered high school so I can simply opt out. However I have a very confused God son who is going through a lot and I just found out they got to him. He has decided to go into the Marines. I weep for this decision. I know they have painted this great picture for him. In this time of war, I believe they really should lay off these kids. Let the ones who know this is what they want to come to them. This makes me sick and outraged. I want to start some kind of movement I am sooo mad!
@beckyomg1 (6756)
• United States
27 Dec 06
in our school there is a paper that we have to sign whether or not they can speak to your child. i signed it that they not contact my child or speak to my child
@dentonbecca (38)
• United States
27 Dec 06
I think there are many sides to this issue.On one hand the recruiters are in a precarious position in this time of war.
@janegosford (196)
• United States
27 Dec 06
I've never heard of a recruiter taking a teenager out to lunch (that sounds a bit far-fetched & I'd like to hear more about that!) but I have heard that military recruiters tend to exaggerate & romanticize the military to impressionable & naive young kids. It's a shame but I don't really know what you're supposed to do about it. I guess you could make it so that the parents have to get involved but parents can be just as naive & easily coaxed as their kids.
@Ambur25 (1006)
• United States
27 Dec 06
I'm not sure if there is or should be a law protecting a "child's" information. However, once the child turns 18, he/she is able to make up their own mind in society. If an "adult" (at the age of 18) can be pursuaded by material things to risk his/her life for his country, they're probably not going to make it too far in the real world. Maybe the US Military should consider that point the next time they try to "buy" someone into the Army.
@ilvrshn (463)
• United States
27 Dec 06
They shouldn't be doing that and if they are, you need to report them to the station mamager wherever that recruiter is located. We had recruiters come to our school when I was in HS but it was more of a career day. We approach them. The military will pay for a their eduacation through what you would call a Montgomery GI Bill which is a good program. Recruiters are like salesman. They mean well but they just need to follow guidelines. Make sure it is the job that you want. The skills that I learned in the military took me a long way.
@pendragon (3349)
• United States
27 Dec 06
No, they should have to stay in their offices and let interested people come to them. I saw a documentary on how these guys work, it's a lot like a used car salesman will do, it's sickening, they badger kids into signing up just so they'll make their meat quota.Pure evil.
@fiyahcreation (2140)
• United States
27 Dec 06
WTF, but yeah I hate recruiters...they're all over my campus...they actually approach freshman and try to get them in the mindset to sign up when they turn eighteen. It's sickening. I mean...I don't hate all recruiters...I just dont' like the fact that a lot of them go after kids who are impressionable and wan to respect and listen to that "Guy in the uniform"
@ljmc24 (413)
• United States
27 Dec 06
Years ago before the schools were required by law to give out information they were still there. I think they have to push it harder now, since it is war time. But in a sense I don't care if the child is 17 they should not be allowed to talk to them without parents permission.
I took the test the Army gives out, and scored very well on it. I think I took it just to get them off my back. Well that backfired and they were after me. I couldn't pass the physical so I couldn't go. I really think that if I could have passed the physical I would have went into the service. But I don't think it would have been best for me.
I don't believe that schools should be forced to give over that info and it should be solely the child's and the parents choice.
@AlmightyBigfoot888 (553)
• United States
27 Dec 06
i know that Military Recruiters are allowed to be at high schools and try and recruit people, but that is definitely against the law, i am sure.
It could also be considering preying on people under 18, an offense which would label the person a Child Predator
@WebMann (4731)
• Canada
27 Dec 06
My personal opinion on this matter is.
These are strangers and you shouldn't talk to strangers.
They obviously know that the parents are going to have a negative reaction to their child going military. It's a bag of mixed feelings.
One the one hand you must defend your country and to do that properly our youth must be trained to be the best that they can be.
But on the other hand why would I want my kids involved in something that could get them killed or worse, maimed for life.
In the end it comes down to defending what we believe and if that means going military then so be it, but have the parents taught right along with the youth.