Are people born bad?

@James72 (26790)
Australia
December 30, 2006 12:09am CST
Is it a predetermined gene that makes someone a murderer or a rapist? Are their brain structures different? Are some people just born bad and no amount of therapy or guidance will change this or is bad behaviour a learned behaviour?
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@re08dz (1941)
• Australia
30 Dec 06
I guess it's a bit of both - I think for some there must be some sort of imbalance in their brain that makes them do the things they do or feel what they feel. But no doubt there are also some that it's either the way they were raised, something happening to them causing them to react certain ways, or a reaction to what's happening around them.
@re08dz (1941)
• Australia
30 Dec 06
That's interesting and disturbing - I guess when you hear what some people are cabable of you'd rather believe that there is some sort of trigger in the brain than to think we as a society were capable of having that sort of effect on someone (if that makes sense)
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
30 Dec 06
I have read about neurological testing done on repeat offenders from time to time but to date I do not believe that they have found a common denominator in terms of brain structure or lobal activity. Maybe society IS to blame? Thanks for responding!
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• Australia
1 Jan 07
I do not believe anyone is "born bad". A child will learn only as it is taught by those who nurture it - or in some cases, by those who neglect it, but have responsibility for it. The environment into which a child is born will determine its nature, morality and character. While the child may develop certain characterists and abilities through genetic structure, its morals and behaviour will be taught, modelled and nurtured by its parents, carers, family and the environment (lifestyle) of the home. Human nature being what it is, even though a child has been brought up under ideal conditions, with loving parents and good teaching, other environmental influences can have a serious effect as the child ages. School, university, work, hobbies, sports, activities and a variety of things can change their nature, personality and behaviour. Most of all, friends and the need to be popular with peers, will influence "good" guys to become "bad" guys. We all bear a huge responsibility to ensure that the neighbourhood, town, state and country where we live upholds good values, and fights crime of all types to enable a safe and wholesome atmosphere for our future generations.
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
1 Jan 07
Very well structured response cloudwatcher! I appreciate your view point. Thanks for replying.
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@edelweiss (1929)
• India
1 Jan 07
there are actually three reasons that make a person bad.. 1) bad genes 2) bad education and environment 3) bad time of birth. asdtrologically :) but of all these things, i think most important is the education. a right kind of education can prevent a person from causing more damage than he actually can.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
2 Jan 07
Agreed that education can assist in shaping a person's behaviour. As does a solid family environment. Thanks for responding.
@UcoksBaBa (800)
• Indonesia
30 Dec 06
Not that that caused someone killed or raped, but many matters that caused that that is one example was the lack he will in economics make someone become a robber and all that in caused the condition and the situation so not because of the gene someone who caused this matter to happen. So let's educated child-we our relatives to the matter that posotif.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
1 Jan 07
Yes.... Maybe economic circumstances also contribute to the problem? Thanks for responding.
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@Thomas73 (1467)
• Switzerland
30 Dec 06
To answer your first two questions, no there's isn't a gene that will pre-determine somebody to be 'bad', and the brain structure is no different from someone who is 'good'. Now that the biological obvious has been stated -- for those who know the field anyway -- let's say that there is a fair amount of predisposition or aptitude. For instance, someone who has the ability to shoot straight can become an olympic target-shooting champion... or a dangerous hitman! This simple example not only illustrate the influence of the upbringing on a person -- the olympic champion may come from a 'good' family that taught him the rights and wrongs of society, whereas the hitman may have been raised by parents that didn't care much for him -- but also of opportunities; one may have had the chance to practise his sport in a club, while the other could have been spotted by a criminal organisation at the shooting stand of a fun fair. This example is of course one among many others, but I hope that it brings the point across that who we are is basically the result of: - innate abilities (nature) - upbringing (nurture) - opportunities (society)
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
30 Dec 06
Very interesting response and I like your analogy very much. It is not only what "talents" we possess it is what we choose to do with them. I was a very fast runner when I was younger.... Thank God I didn't decide to become a purse snatcher!
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@Thomas73 (1467)
• Switzerland
1 Jan 07
Thanks a lot for the "best response" award! :) I only just noticed it.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
1 Jan 07
No problem! I felt that your example of the sharp shooter put an easy to understand spin on the concept. I liked it!
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@promadg (53)
• India
1 Jan 07
Hey no one is born bad. The only thing that they get during birth is sensitiveness & self-control. When these peoples intract with surrounding they mould in that fashion and turn in to criminals or some good gentel people depending upon their surronding
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
1 Jan 07
Thanks for responding. Peer group pressure has a lot more influence in some cases than others. I guess it all comes down to the internal strength of a person and their ability to think independently regardless of the fear of being outcast by their peers.
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@mtdewgurl74 (18151)
• United States
25 May 09
I have heard it said that some can be a bad seed meaning they were born that way..but I doubt anyone is born bad. I mean kids only know what they are taught or what they see. Kids learn by example of what they see and hear around them. I had once heard Dr.Phil tell a couple on one of his shows.."You don't like how your kids act, take a few steps back and look at yourself and your own actions. Your kids are just a reflection of yourself or what they been brought up around and taught.
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@mtdewgurl74 (18151)
• United States
27 May 09
Maybe, what he meant was you can't tell your kids to stop doing stuff if you yourself continues to do it. I don't know..I don't watch his so but once or twice a year..
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
27 May 09
Lead by example, most definitely! If we don't, then we're nothing more than a hypocrite.
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
26 May 09
Ah, dear old Dr Phil! lol. And I'd have to agree with him this time around too I think. We're arguably all products of our environment, especially when we're kids. I don't feel that people are born bad persay either. They may be born with genetic predispositions that can also be mentally related and that ultimately affect their behaviours, but not bad! Thanks for the response Becca.
• United States
28 May 09
The answer to this is the same as to the question, "Are homosexuals born that way or learn the behavior?". The answer is, "both". Some people are born with a defect that does not allow them to respond appropiately or functionally to reward and punishment. Such people, of course, run into trouble right away. Other people, learn to be bad. Both types exist. Personally, I believe the inhabitants of the prisons mostly are of the born that way kind. In the U.S.A., believe it or not, the system goes out of its way to not lock people up. Those who are there mostly really belong there. The vast majority have to have some kind of defect to not have avoided being in prison.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
29 May 09
I tend to agree that it's a mixture of both also, but I do personally feel that societal/environmental influences play the majority role in shaping an individuals behaviour. The prison references here are very interesting and again it makes me think about environmental influences a lot. You often hear stories of people that go into prison coming out the other side worse than when they went in? Or they go in for some relatively minor offence and then when released, end up back in there because of a far more serious crime. I'd like to think that in Australia too, the goal is to keep people out of prison as well. So I would hope that most people that are incarcerated DO deserve to be there. Unfortunately this obviously isn't always the case though. I recall reading a number of studies conducted on criminals pysche and genes etc and I can only assume that they still remain a particular area of interest for many researchers. Thanks for the response RYBD. Nice to hear from you, it's been a while!
@riyasam (16556)
• India
20 May 09
OH GOD,AGAIN A REVIVAL!!!i dont think there is a gene that makes a person bad, it is learned behavior.nowadays,they say there is a gene which determines whether a person is gay or not!easy way out!blame everything on genes!!!
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
20 May 09
Goodness me! Yes it IS another revival??? Genes do seem to get the rough end of the stick when it comes to the blame game, I agree. I think that there can be a number of mental predispositions that can be attributed to gene inheritance, but learned behaviours would definitely play the majority role.
@vinod18 (172)
• India
30 Dec 06
To some extent genes, by birth some people acquire these qualities. But most of the qualities they cultivate from the surroundings, atmosphere, brought-up, education, friends etc.,
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
30 Dec 06
I agree. Societal influences can shape and mould a person in many ways. I do wonder however..... Thanks for your response!
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• India
30 Dec 06
accodint to me no people is born bad but they are made bad. they might have become bad due to their environment they grow and the relative etc. parents should teach every person that what is good and what is bad and how to behave in the society.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
30 Dec 06
I agree that strong family values and a positive upbringing would help diminish negative learned behaviour. Thanks for responding!
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@hiddenwing (3719)
• China
26 May 09
Men at their birth, are naturally good.Their natures are much the same; their habits become widely different. If foolishly there is no teaching, the nature will deteriorate.The right way in teaching is to attach the utmost importance in thoroughness.Of old, the mother of Mencius chose a neighborhood and when her child would not learn, she broke the shuttle from the loom.Tou of the Swallow Hills had the right method. He taught five son, each of whom raised the family reputation. To feed without teaching, is the father's fault. To teach without severity, is the teacher's laziness. If the child does not learn, this is not as it should be. If he does not learn while young, what will he be when old ? If jade is not polished, it cannot become a thing of use. If a man does not learn, he cannot know his duty towards his neighbor. He who is the son of a man, when he is young, should attach himself to his teachers and friends; and practise ceremonial usages. Hsiang, at nine years of age, could warm (his parent's) bed. Filial piety towards parents, is that to which we should hold fast. Jung, at four years of age, could yield the (bigger) pears. To behave as a younger brother towards elders, is one of the first things to know. Begin with filial piety and fraternal love, and then see and hear . Learn to count, and learn to read. Units and tens, then tens and hundreds, hundreds and thousands, thousands and then tens of thousands. The three forces, are heaven, earth and man. The three luminaries, are the sun, the moon and the stars. The three bonds, are the obligation between sovereign and subject, the love between father and child, the harmony between husband and wife. We speak of spring and summer, we speak of autumn and winter. These four seasons, revolve without ceasing. We speak of North and South, we speak of East and West. These four points, respond to the requirements of the centre. So, this is Chinese three-character scripture, which we have learned in elemental school somehow! haha Are people born bad? Well, I don't know about that though I have learned the three-character scripture.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
26 May 09
What an interesting perspective hiddenwing! Based on what you've just shared, we could definitely lean more towards environment and discipline being the major behavioural influencer rather than genes. Maximize all we do intelligently and wisely, we reap what we sow and we must learn from what is around us so we may be the best we can be and not repeat negativity. Thanks for the response and for sharing the three-character scripture. I found it to be very intriguing!
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
27 May 09
God bless the panda! lol.
• China
26 May 09
Chinese cultures are pretty pround! Luckily, you have already known so much about it like the panda thing! haha
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@dolcias (302)
• Egypt
27 May 09
well,i agree with everyone that it has a lot to do with the surrounding circumstances or the environmental or social conditions,maybe they play the biggest part...but as a doctor i can tell you from my viewpoint it does have a little to do with genes too and the person's body nature..being BORN like that...for example,a criminal behavior can result from depression,right?depression is mostly known as a reactive condition to a psychological trauma or a depressive atmosphere or whatever...but on the other hand,depression(inspite of it being a psychological condition)could be due to a natural decrease in serotonin and norepinephrine(neurotransmitters)...or a defect in the brain derived neurotropic factor(gene)...sometimes also the different brain centers responsible for different functions can be differently more or less active genetically.....and that was just one example
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
28 May 09
Heya dolcias, long time no see! This angle I can agree with. In a number of earlier replies I have touched on instances of genetic predispositions being passed down through bloodlines and pyschological afflictions are a perfect example, yes. Not the labelled condition of "depression" mind you, but the triggers such as serotonin and neurotransmitter deficiencies like you've shared. These all most definitely have the propensity to affect an individual's behaviours heavily, but I'm still of the opinion that societal/environmental influences play the majoroty role in most cases. Thanks for this in depth response dolcias, it's great to get a viewpoint like this one. Nice to see you around again too.
@savak03 (6684)
• United States
20 May 09
If you have ever heard the expression "as innocent as a baby" you would have a hard time believing that anyone was born bad, horror movies not withstanding. Children are innocent at birth. Its all the stuff that happens after that determines what kind of personality they develop. Now that I think about it though I used to attribute some bad characteristics to my daughter when she was born, but that's another story and I have since figured out how it could have been learned behavior.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
20 May 09
I've heard this expression, yes. I would have to agree that in a majority of instances, it's life influences that shape people into bad ones and there's little or no definable gene patterns there. But I do also believe that there are cases where genes CAN be passed on or can exist in a person that can ultimately affect their behaviours. Mental imbalances for example have been found to exist throughout family lines. What I do know for sure though, is that there'll always be efforts to try and find gene patterns to define things like this.
@savak03 (6684)
• United States
21 May 09
You are right. There will always be someone who wants to classify people. This has been the root of so many injustices. Prejudice and bigotry are the results of these efforts. Some people just seem to have to put others in a lower categorie in order to feel better about themselves. The reality is though that we are ALL created equal. It's the things we are exposed to and the choices that we make that define us. While genes may make us a little more prone to anger easily it's our choice to let that anger have free reign or to keep it under control. Giving some people the excuse of "it's in my genes" is just another way for people to duck the responsibility of their own action. Personally I think there is too much of that going around now. Okay I'll get down off my soapbox now.
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@savak03 (6684)
• United States
21 May 09
oops I misspelled a word.
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@wyykidd (1460)
• Singapore
1 Jan 07
I believe that everyone is born with at good heart. It is really the people around them, the environment, the place they live in and the situations they face that changes people and turn them bad.
@madgirl (210)
• India
1 Jan 07
I hate to disagree with the general consensus, but not all people are born innocent. My mom remembers two one year olds playing together in a garden. Both of them saw a butterfly. One of them wanted to kill it, and the other wanted to merely smile at it and chase it. And they were both from the same economic, educational, social etc background. Therefore, there are predispositions - some people make the best of themselves and some make the worst. I do agree that life can be hard and unfair for some people and makes them more prone to 'go bad' so to speak. However, every person has it in them to 'go bad' or 'do the best' they can. In the end, its upto them. And besides, if we start saying that its because of his economic/social/whatever background that s/he's bad, then its like we're excusing their bad behaviour. A person may say they became a rapist or murderer because they had a poverty ridden childhood, terrible parents and a very bad life. However, that *still* doesn't justify raping or killing. I do have pity for them, but my real sympathies lie towards their victims.
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
2 Jan 07
Free will plays a significant part, no doubt. But surely a child of the age of two must have seen or heard something in order for it to be able to think that way? It could be anything that triggers these behaviours. Very interesting viewpoint. Thanks for responding.
@vanities (11395)
• Davao, Philippines
30 Dec 06
in my opinion i think its with the genes or its heriditary...coz ive seen people who are criminals and their children as well..not all but at least one...it could be also a learned behavior..on the environment you grow up with.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
30 Dec 06
For sure. There are unfortunately many incidences where children follow a life of crime as a result of their parents influence. This is a learned behaviour. How would these children have turned out with different parents?
• Pakistan
1 Jan 07
No none of the human is born bad on this earth...each child is born to be innocent ..its the society , the culture who makes the child good or bad...secondly the attitude of parents towards the child and the education also shows him the respective path of good or bad...then the company of the child along which he enjoys his life is also responsilbe!
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@manong05 (5027)
• Philippines
1 Jan 07
Are people born bad? I don't think so. Neither do I believe that some people are genetically predisposed to be murderers. We all started with a clean slate. It all now depends on us what to make of our lives. There are just too many factors that influence our thinking, mold our personalities and determine our behaviors. Some children of convicted criminals turn out to be good citizens, children of some respected members of the community turn out to be criminals. Examples could be endless. But to sum it up. I believe nobody is born bad.
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
1 Jan 07
Yes I agree. even socio-economic factors do not always mean that a person will turn out bad. Free will prevails. Thanks for responding.
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• India
20 May 09
The behavior of a person depends upon many things.. Yes, genes are also included. But don't think Jenes are the only cause. A person from good family can become a criminal and a person from criminal family can become a good human being.. Behavior depends upon Genes,Social Environments,Friend Circle,Parent's/Teacher's behavior towards the child, The geographical environment, Mate's nature,Profession, Success/Failure in different fields and many more... Considering a person's behavior depending only on genes is not a good thought..
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
20 May 09
I agree that many, many factors contribute to an individual's behaviour. If anything, blaming genes alone seems to me to be a bit of a cop out! Sometimes people just do stupid and irrational things for one. Societal influences, family environment, negative role models..... All contribute to wards shaping a person's beliefs and mannerisms. Gene's can influence mental states in parallel and there have been numerous instances of mental afflictions being common across family bloodlines. All in all it's not a predictable area!