Abuse/Complaints and Non Responses
By debbie4824
@debbie4824 (118)
United States
January 9, 2007 11:13am CST
I'm going to play devil's advocate for a minute so please don't take it out on me.
A lot of people lately have been starting discussions about the abuse that happens here with short discussions, silly responses, topics that add absolutely nothing to this site. Due to this, we have a bit of chaos with too many topics, and it makes it difficult to find reasonable discussions that people might like to participate in for real.
Overall things like this hurt the site and everyone's chances to earn money because it increase the likelihood of the site becoming too unprofitable and too much drama for the admins to handle.
HOWEVER - If we blame those people for copy/pasting topics and starting discussions just for the sake of it, are we not guilty of the same thing by having multiple discussions on the same issue...i.e. cheating the system.
That's my first question.
The second is to the people who actually participate in these threads we're speaking of. Why do you do it? Seriously, I'd like an honest response. Can it really be just for the few extra cents you'll make? You need to look at the long term, by taking a few extra pennies today, you're risking the program and any future income you might have. Not to mention that you're human which means you have emotions and feelings and interests...why not start a real discussion or participate in a real discussion, it really does not take that long to post something genuine. I know you risk being lambasted if you post here that you do participate in these type threads, but truthfully you're name is already on the threads so you have nothing to lose, please let us know you're thoughts on the matter!
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28 responses
@mikaghi (388)
• United States
9 Jan 07
you have raised a valid issue. there are people who are working to stop the abuse but the abusers seem to everywhere. they are adding crappy discussions everydays and get away with it.
the best reponse to these abusers is not to reply to their stupid discussions and give them negative rating when they post one word answers.
the reason i joined mylot is to share my views and experiences. thats all.
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@Stephanie5 (2946)
• United States
9 Jan 07
I agree, if we stop replying to all their silly discussions, they would stop coming back. Don't ya think?
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@JustSimplyLissa (547)
• United States
9 Jan 07
Well, my thoughts on this matter, People are trying to work the system. They are told that they will receive more $ for the topics they start then for topics they reply to. They then go and create a ton of topics. They are told that the more replies they get to a topic, the more $ they will receive. So on and so forth. So it's abused. What should happen, is Mylot should Break it down Plain and simple what gets what and how much. Ect.
Say like this.
Topic you start 15 words or more = 2 cent
10 Replies to your topic = 5 cents and so on .5 cents per post to your topic.
Your Reply to someone elses topic = 2 cents. 10 real words to 50 real words
Your reply to someone elses topic = 5 cents for 51-150 real words
Your reply to someone elses topic = 7 cents for 151-300 real words
Your reply to someone elses topic = 10 cents for 301+ words (no matter the length)
Picked for Best response = 4 Cents
Rated Pos. = .5 cents each rating
Rated Neg. = 0 cents (Or even take $ Away!)
Picture upload (for users over 500 posts) = 1 cent
And so on and so forth. If they really had a break down like that. I bet that this place would have better quality responses, And better quality topics.
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@jep_toyo (1606)
• Philippines
10 Jan 07
It would be great if mylot follow this rates, but still there are people who will going to abuse the system just for the sake of making money.
@JustSimplyLissa (547)
• United States
12 Jan 07
agreed it would still be abused, I was just talking about breaking down so its more understandable to people. It still all confuses me! lol
@greengal (4286)
• United States
9 Jan 07
I couldn't agree more. If we all stopped replying to those discussions it will be discouraging for the ones who started them and for all you know they may quit someday. But as you said, there are those who reply...and only for the few cents and not for anything else. Most of them are new, haven't reached payout and want to do so, no matter what it takes! So even if you and I agree not to respond you will still have a big group responding and helping those cheaters make money. Some do it unknowingly and land up losing points and money when those discussions are deleted. It's a pity these things happen over and over and there is no stopping it!
Everybody is in a big hurry to make money..who is to blame?! the genuine ones always bear the brunt in the end.
@debbie4824 (118)
• United States
9 Jan 07
I was hoping more of the ones who do this would participate in this discussion and give their reasoning for it.
To me, it is the same as stealing since it's not what this site was designed for. It's exploiting a loophole. How can someone ethically and morally rationalize this?
@sriragv (422)
• India
10 Jan 07
I have responded to these kind of issues earlier.I think everyone is here to make money.(Please dont say no).I agree with you that peolple should make reasonable and real discussions,Bu If you go through the discussions,genuine issues and burning issues get mediocre responses,and discussions on lovelife,extra marital affairs etc get lots of responses...
If people get responses,They will post similar kind of posts.
I think ppl should stop responding to those topics which they think are not genuine
@debbie4824 (118)
• United States
10 Jan 07
I don't think there's anything wrong with lovelife or affair questions, those are reaonsable topics to discuss if they are actually discussions. Some people are interested in those things. It's more the "what's your favorite color" ones that drive me nuts.
@kris182_2000 (5454)
• Canada
10 Jan 07
Let me be the first to talk about the discussions on abuse, since I have started one or 2 of those myself.
And Please read this carefully so there is no confusion.
myLot staff are under serious pressure to deal with cheaters/spammers. They rely heavily on the community here to report violations to them.
If these discussions regarding abuse are not started, how else are they supposed to find out just how bad this is getting?
When we discuss the abuse and spamming going on, we all get a sense of what's happening and who's at fault. We exchange information and compare "notes", so to speak.
If you'd like, lets see what would happen if none of these abuse discussions happened. We would probably see the cheating get worse.
I made a list of cheaters the other day. If I hadn't posted my discussion, how else was I to get my list out to those concerned?
Have you ever thought about that?
Do you want the stupid questions/jokes/2 word posts to continue?
I don't think you do. And that's exactly why we do what we do.
Since the staff here don't make their presence known to us, nor respond to our concerns all the time, we take action, and as a result, they seem to notice it more.
We are not posting these discussions for the money. We post them to try to clean this site up. There's no other way to do so with a member base so high. No one person can keep up with it.
It takes the effort and co-operation of many people here to help keep the site clear of spammers/cheaters. If no one took part in this, the site would be full of useless posts.
Trust me, a few of the major cheaters have been banned as a result of our discussions. More good seems to come out of them than you seem to realize.
So before you go making accusations, look around you. Ask questions of others and find out the whole story first.
Don't make assumtions. That is the wrong thing to do.
I have a list of 15 active spammers on this site, that due to our discussions, we are about to have banned from this site. That's 15 people posting hundreds of stupid topics every day. Take those members out of the equasion, and you have less stupid topics.
On the other site, one member(a spammer from here), was banned, and as a result 84 topics were removed from one section of the forum.
Does that tell you something? I sure hope it does.
I hope I've been able to explain the benefits of these discussions.
But of course, if you have problems with these discussions, you could always report them to myLot staff. No guarantee that they'll do anything about them. Afterall, they're not spam topics, they're serious, informative topics.
I hope I'm clear on this.
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@debbie4824 (118)
• United States
10 Jan 07
Woah... okay, I'm not sure you actually read my entire post after reading your response.
I was just bringing up a point. I do think discussions are valid, but I think they tend to get lost and end up duplicating a lot. I think it would be much easier on admin if there was a centralized area where if you see a repeat offender you could post, otherwise we are just adding discussion after discussion about the same thing.
Of course the membership needs to get involved, that's why we have the rating and abuse report system. Is it perfect, probably not, and is a place to discuss a good idea, obviously yes, I was just pointing out that in the last few days I've seen over 10 topics on the exact same thing, which I thought is what we were trying to get away from?
@dmillman (2273)
• United States
10 Jan 07
Alrighty then! This is getting to be a heated discussion. I bet if we put all the discussions about cheaters together that we could actually come up with some good ideas.
I think that one problem (and I may have been guilty of this - but I'm a newbie learning as I go) is that people don't do a myLot search before they start a discussion. I was just about to make a discussion for ovarian cancer, and then decided to do a search, and found a few there that I read and responded to. I did notice that my initial question/comment was not mentioned on them, and idn't really fit the topics of the other discussions, so I may make a discussion about it.
Since I'm on my 4-5 day here, I'm continually learning. I read a discusison and couldn't understand what the person meant, so I read the entire thing, and I still didn't get it, so I replied that I had no idea of what they were talking about and asked for more info. So this way they'd know that it was noticed, and if I get more infomation and find the topic interesting enough, I might just respond in ways to get the discussion going so that more people get involved.
Then, there are discussion that make no sense what-so-ever and I still respond truthfully that I think that the topic is useless, meaningless, etc. I figure that this way they'll know that people have noticed. But listening to what you have all written, I'm not sure if it's a good idea either. What do all of you think?
@debbie4824 (118)
• United States
10 Jan 07
I would say definitely do not post in a topic that you consider meaningless. It just makes them money which is their goal. As far as asking for further explanation, i don't see anything wrong with it, if you're truly interested.
@r0ck_r0ck (1952)
• India
10 Jan 07
yea i know its really sick to report without appropiate reason! just think twice when u r goin to report against some one that u r goin to make him out of this my lot wher may he was to earn money to solve out his couple of problems! anyway nice post buddy evry one should fel n takes thing like u do! hope it happens! pz
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@Naseem00 (1996)
• Pakistan
10 Jan 07
This is a situation Only the MyLot admin has the key to solve. They could easily find these meaningless discussions and delete them off their system, reducing the ratings of someone who starts a one-line discussion is also going tohelp. As members we can contribute the way you have suggested, just ignoring and giving them -ive ratings.
I appresicate your starting something meaningful, have a nice time!
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@The_Eagle_1 (1121)
• Australia
10 Jan 07
Unfortunately debbie, the people who keep posting short replies and one word or one line discussions will keep doing it, myLot is on the right track with their assessing posts in discussions and rewarding them for value of comment!
I find it hard to discuss anything when the people give opinions and don't continue to express in more detail, or they don't answer at all...even in their own discussions...
I have also put a similar question in the form of a discussion and it went nowhere! Only a few of my friends posted in it!
I appreciate that Time Zones interfer with some peoples replies to questions and can be ongoing for some time with a few posts, but at least they make the effort to keep it going!
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@spcbrass (1190)
• United States
10 Jan 07
I agree there are/were a lot of discussions complaining about users who have cheated the system. It is a violation of the myLot terms, but sometimes a person has to get the frustration off of their chest. It would be ok if you did this in a creative or constructive way.
I have been frustrated many times and have answered more then one discussion thread about people's frustrations as well. However because of the amount of time and discussion that was done on all of these threads, myLot has taken action and had done more to keep people from cheating here. In this case, the community spoke and the administration listened.
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@Marie2473 (8512)
• Sweden
10 Jan 07
Think you have a good point here. there are soooo many discussions about people abusring mylot and I see atleast 2 new ones every day and sometimes people even name a certain person. Sure I do also sometimes report people and I do sometimes get pi*sed of, but I do not think that I would start a discussion about it and I have even tried to not get involved in those kind of discussions.
I also do not answer to discussions if I have nothing valuble to say. For an example a discussion that just say: Coke or pepsi - wich do you prefer? Doesn´t even catch my attention now.
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@nidahali (446)
• Pakistan
10 Jan 07
I admire you for raising a voice against this problem. I am against this thing. Maybe I might have responded to a few of them when I was a new user but now I only respond to the topics / discussions that deserve to be responded and from which I think I would learn something for my benefit.
I try to start new stuff but maybe sometimes it clashes with other people's topics but you can't blame me because I on my part am starting something new which someone else might think of at the same time. So in a way we get duplicates.
@cuddleme01 (2725)
• Philippines
10 Jan 07
i don't get it as well why people respond to silly discussions. although i admit that when i first joined this site, i also posted not so important discussions cause ive seen a lot of silly discussions. as a newbie i followed what other members were doing. thank GOD i read posts on how to earn better in mylot. And i am convinced that its the quality of post, and responses you make that gives your better pays. how i wish people here in mylot will learn to make quality discussions and respond to quality posts.
lets not make mylot a nonsense site flooded with nonsense discussions and responses..
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@usman400 (1587)
• Pakistan
9 Jan 07
Look if u get 77 points then u will get 1 dollar, and certainly making 1 dollar will be requriement for all, but making 77 points itself means u have to spend 3 to 5 hours to get these points, now tell me if you start every thing qualitative then what will happen at least 7 hours will be required to make each and every thing a qualitiative one ! so my friend its ok if someone tries to reply with just 1/2 lines, if u have problem then u can just bypass and go to next ! I also do 50/50 balance, when the topic is interesting to me I write = 4 lines and less than 4 lines other wise !
@debbie4824 (118)
• United States
9 Jan 07
But it's not about quantity. I'm not saying that all responses have to be lengthy, but shouldn't they be meaningful. You just added thoughtful comments here, how long did it take?
I earned 27 cents yesterday, I made meaningful posts in about 5 discussions of other peoples and started (I think) 4 of my own, most of which didn't even get responses so I doubt I earned much off of them.
@mvsrao (4365)
• India
9 Jan 07
very good analysis friend . Now what should
I say ... although I rarely participate
in such moral policing discussions , I
feel that it could be just the expression
of feelings . And it is clear that we do
earn a little by participating wherever
it is possible on this site .
I have been a moderator on a couple of
forums . And I have requested for the
moderating privilleges on this site -
was denied . I could have taken care
of certain repeated discussions here ...
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@SaraWinters (220)
• United States
9 Jan 07
I would say the simple answer is some people don't have anything better to do with their time. Just like there are people who start flame wars or send spam, some people start stupid discussions because their lives are filled with nothing but the vague desire to get ahead by doing as little good as possible.
Of course there are people who would rather not see these kinds of discussions, and that'a noble cause. But the truth is, we can all dislike it, but there will always be people who put all their efforts into ruining a good thing.
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@onesiobhan (1327)
• Canada
9 Jan 07
I think it's entirely possible that the site is going to stop paying eventually anyway - it will become a self-perpetuating message board.
I think the people who are doing "drive-by" commenting are counting on getting as much as they can while it still exists
@debbie4824 (118)
• United States
10 Jan 07
I have gone back and forth about whether to respond to this or not. But finally I decided I would.
Read my original post please. THAT was my entire point! And as I said in a comment here, there were too many going on that I couldn't post in each one of them saying it, so I started one. End of story.
@maru_047in (1007)
• India
9 Jan 07
Offcourse v are risking to earn money and short discussions help in earning more money as per me and v are paid only cents right now but u have to know cent with cents only forms dollor so dont loose hope and u also start earning and i ll tell u the trick
I have rated u positive which ll boost ur earning capability so Please add me as ur friend and i ll help you earn some money and u also do the same to me and u can reach and discuss with me all the matters i m free to give my response to that.
It is a request and not an order.
Thanks in Advance
@debbie4824 (118)
• United States
10 Jan 07
Really?
Hmmmm, lets see....take a look at my profile, tell me which one isn't a valid discussion that I've started. Not sure if you can see where I've replied, but if you can, go and read them, I dare you to find one place that I posted something that did not offer something valid.
As far as comments, it was my understanding that you only get paid for one comment but no one said anything about me not being allowed to respond to people? I only respond to those that I feel I should, there are a lot of responses here that If I were speaking to the person making it, I would say, yes I agree with you, or good point, I hadn't looked at it that way, but since I dont' feel that would be necessarily meaningful, I abstain from it so things don't get too messy.
Feel free to disagree with me on anything, I love a healthy debate, but don't accuse me of artificially inflating something when all you have to do is research my posts on here to see I'm not.