Illegal Immigration and citizenship
By melanie652
@melanie652 (2524)
United States
January 9, 2007 12:39pm CST
They were talking on the news today about a story where US workers were going to Mexico for healthcare because it was cheaper. They also mentioned how it wasn't a problem for the US workers if they had a child in Mexico - the baby would still be a US citizen. The anchorman commented on how a baby born in the US automatically becames a US citizen even if the parents are not. Do you think it may help the immigration problem if that was no longer the case? If citizenship was not automatically granted to a child of illegal immigrants?
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@dublnirish (13)
• United States
9 Jan 07
Great topic Melanie.
I am originally from Ireland but have lived here for 11 years. In years past Ireland had the same immigrant policy of a baby born there automatically got citizenship and by default so did the parents, grandparents, siblings, cousins, 2nd cousins, family dog etc. Most of these people were coming to Ireland from Nigeria and would land in Ireland as refugees, 9 months pregnant and take full advantage of the social healthcare system. They were housed by the government, paid for having the child and also for being unable to work as they did not speak English. So, a bunch of immigrants were going to Ireland to leech of the system and continue to do so in the present day. However, the rules changed three years ago and it is no longer automatic. They are sent home and must apply like anyone else. This is a good thing for Ireland. I have some sympathy for the lady who had a child by an illegal immigrant, however, she is American and as a result can keep her child who is also American. The rules heavily favor American citizens and children of citizens even if one parent is a non-citizen. Crazy stuff of course but the U.S has to change that rule. It will help a lot as far as illegal immigration goes. We will have to wait for a socially responsible president to take office before changes will be made.
@melanie652 (2524)
• United States
10 Jan 07
Thanks! That is very interesting what Ireland did? I think the US should take a close look at that. I'm glad you shared that. Welcome to the US by the way! :)
@shelonewolf1969 (486)
• United States
10 Jan 07
Although I do hate the idea of a child suffering for things the parents do that it has no control over I understand your statement
@prettydoyce (282)
• Philippines
10 Jan 07
yes i agree to that. some parents really do silly things and at times it is their children who suffer for that
@venshida (4836)
• United States
9 Jan 07
Yes, it will help. The process as it is is now being abuse. I know a young lady who at almost 9 months pregnant came to the U.S. for the sole purpose of having an American Baby. This person I know about did this for 3 of her kids none of her kids were born in her country. She did not come into the U.S. illegally she came in on a visa, but everytime she came she was ready to deliver. Guess, who pays the hospital bills. It's a antiquated system that needs to be changed.
@melanie652 (2524)
• United States
9 Jan 07
Yes, I would consider that abusing the system too. That's one of the things that has alot of people angry in the US too.
@buffetwoman (623)
• United States
10 Jan 07
Yea, then there are people who were born and raised here who struggle with the hospital bill after having a baby. We have to pay that huge co-pay, and then you have people like that lady who comes into our country just to have her babies and has to pay nothing! There's something very wrong with that. America needs to take care of it's own(The born and raised American people!) It's time!!!!!
@sunshinecup (7871)
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9 Jan 07
Man that's a good question! After thinking about it, I would have to side with citizenship should not be granted to the child. I say this because how can it be claimed the child has legal rights here in this country without giving those same rights to the parents? In efforts of preventing immigrants from coming over here and popping out babies left and right, we should not give immigrants citizenship because of having a baby. So to fix a loop hole, I think we should remove this auto citizenship by making it clear, unless parents go through the proper procedure of becoming a legal American Citizen, the child can not be consider one either.
@melanie652 (2524)
• United States
9 Jan 07
That's the same kind of things I'm thinking too. I never thought of it as a loop hole. I think that's a good way to describe it. Thanks for your thoughts.
@Chiriac (286)
• Romania
9 Jan 07
Yes, I think there is a simple solution, go after the employers, jail the people that do the hiring, fine the company's that hire illegal aliens huge amounts. That should dry up the job market and the incentive to hire these people at substandard wages. NO WORK= NO MONEY= NO REASON TO BE IN YOUR COUNTRY. There are laws in place to do this so just enforce these laws.
@melanie652 (2524)
• United States
9 Jan 07
I know of some employers that hire illegals because they'll do the work Americans won't. Yours is an interesting idea, but I think the problem will be in enforcing it and having the manpower to enforce it. Thanks for sharing your ideas.
@DavidReedy (2378)
• United States
10 Jan 07
We're talking about dangerous precedence here, though. On one hand, I see the point your making, on the other hand we are a)taking away that priveledge that many have dreamt of, that has always been a part of America--a situation that regardless of who we are, all of our ancestors we're in the exact same situation--even the native americans had to cross the bering strait. Maybe,... we should close down immigration completely? So that we can fix the mess we currently have, and let everyone else try to do the same... We're already and both an economical and ecological mess, why do we need anymore people at all?
@melanie652 (2524)
• United States
10 Jan 07
If one or both parents are American citizens then no privledges are lost for them or the child. I agree we have a mess here in the US and maybe not granting automatic citizenship to a child born to illegal parents will help stem the flow of illegal immigrants crossing the border into this country. With our budget deficit in the *trillions* we can't continue giving free handouts. Something has to give.
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• India
10 Jan 07
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@melanie652 (2524)
• United States
11 Jan 07
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@polachicago (18716)
• United States
10 Jan 07
Great topic. I think that child born in USA can be citizen if mother is citizen. Why I exclude father? because baby always stays with mother and very often people are not married.
@melanie652 (2524)
• United States
10 Jan 07
Thanks! It's too bad marriage is becoming "old-fashioned" and not the thing to do anymore. You're right about that. Thanks for your thoughts.
@SageMother (2277)
• United States
10 Jan 07
I think it would definitely help if the child born in the USA did not automatically become a citizen.
Many people come here to have chilcrend so that it will be more difficult for INS to deport them. The toll their presence takes on social services in amazing.
@melanie652 (2524)
• United States
10 Jan 07
Yes it would have to be tremendous. Thanks for your thoughts.
@melanie652 (2524)
• United States
10 Jan 07
I think because the baby is born in this country and automatically is considered a US citizen for that reason. Exactly how the paperwork is done or what the process is, I don't know.
@pemaldak (79)
• United States
9 Jan 07
I believe tthe US is one of the last, if not the last country to have this policy. My understanding is that this policy was implemented primarily to protect chiuldren of slaves, whose parents were brought to the US against their will. They should do away with this policy and prevent so called "anchor babies".
@melanie652 (2524)
• United States
9 Jan 07
I didn't know that about the slaves? Thanks for sharing.
@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
9 Jan 07
That has always rankled me because the key word is "illegal". I don't think anyone who is illegal should get legal benefits.
@lpetges (3036)
• United States
10 Jan 07
yes i think that would be a great idea. I'm not sure about this, but do the parents of the child born is the US get automatic citizenship, or do they have to go through all the procedures to become a citizen?
@melanie652 (2524)
• United States
10 Jan 07
The baby is considered a US citizen. If both parents are illegal, they are still considered illegal. They do not get granted citizenship just because they are here when the baby is born. That's the way I understand it?
@fiveisallofus (273)
• United States
9 Jan 07
That is a tough one! I am a US citizen but my daughter's father is an "illegal immigrant". She is 7 years old. If she were to be sent to Mexico she would be a lost child! And what about those kids who are raised here and then sent back to Mexico. The way of life there is really hard. I do not agree with sending innocent children back to that country or any other poor country that dont take care of thier own.
This is a hard subject for me though, I dont think any good people should be sent back, but I do think that the people who are here sucking up our welfare and living off of the taxes that I pay, and dont work, and those that are commiting crimes should be sent back.
@melanie652 (2524)
• United States
9 Jan 07
I think the idea of others living off the US's healthcare system, welfare system and not paying taxes is what bothers many people. If they're here committing crimes that's definitely bad too. I never thought of one parent being legal and one being illegal when I posted the question. You've put a different twist on it and certainly more to consider. Thanks for sharing.
@Mitraa (3184)
• India
10 Jan 07
Parents may be legal or illegal immigrants, but once the child is born to them, it should take naturally the citizenship of the country in which the child is born. Particularly in case of illegal immigrants it should be settled in a better humantarian manner, keeping in view the future of the new born child. Thanks.
@onesiobhan (1327)
• Canada
13 Jan 07
In Ireland there are residency requirements before a child can be considered a citizen. Too many people were visiting to have their babies so they could have EU passports.
I think it's not a bad idea.
@kathy77 (7486)
• Australia
10 Jan 07
Oh that sounds great that the child would still be a US citizen even though the child would be born outside the US I do not think that it would help the immigration problem though, but it does sound good about the US worker with the healthcare system being cheaper.
@maru_047in (1007)
• India
10 Jan 07
I think so it might help the immigration problem if that was not the case. cause how can that b possible if they are the US citizens then the baby also should b us citizen as far as me it cant be mexican.