Education till 18

Education - Schoolgirl taking her A- badly
January 13, 2007 8:28pm CST
Fearful of rising unemployment, due to legislation to up the retirement age, the UK government is now trying to up the age for leaving school to 18? Forcing further education, upon disillusioned and disenfranchised children is hard enough (with massive truancy problems, which the government has failled to handle), without trying to tell 17 & 18 year olds, who sould easily be married and have children, is going to be impossible. Or, at least, that's my opinion, what's yours?
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@shywolf (4514)
• United States
14 Jan 07
As far as I know, the age that you can drop out of school here in the USA has already long been the age of 18. I feel that this is a fair and responsible law, to be honest with you. And this is coming from someone (myself) who was so shy in school that I ended up leaving for a time and was placed in different schooling to help me with my shyness. I was sort of a drop out for awhile but not because I did not wish to learn. Anyway, I think that the age 18 is fair. That is when we are considered an adult, so we shoudl have to go to school until that age.
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@kesfylstra (1868)
• United States
14 Jan 07
Frankly, I don't understand why its not just mandatory to finish high school. That would make more sense to me. It should at least be 18. School is important, and while kids don't want to believe that at that age, they need to stay in.
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@nannacroc (4049)
14 Jan 07
This is just further proof that the UK government is in such as mess they just don't know what to do so they're coming up with ideas that just don't work for people who live in the real world.
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15 Jan 07
I'm afraid you're spot on with your remarks. They seem to draw silly ideas out of a hat. Thanks for reassuring me that I haven't gone completely paranoid!
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• Australia
15 Jan 07
I cannot comment on the policy in the UK, but I agree the points you mention would most likely be valid ones. Here in Australia, the move isn't so much to force them to stay in education, but it has that effect. Students who leave school before completing high school (usually about 17 yrs old) do not receive social security payments. They are free to leave earlier if they work or do not claim benefits. High schools have introduced new schemes for the less academically minded, whereby they enrol in subjects more designed to help with everyday life. Other practical courses can also be undertaken, through the school, at the TAFE (technical education) college. Many young people undertake such things as introductory hairdressing, motor mechanics, eletrician etc which could lead to an apprenticeship with those trades. I think the system we have here is a pretty good one, encouraging the young people to keep studying while waiting for work.
• Australia
15 Jan 07
I should have mentioned that is the position in Queensland, but I think it would be the same in most states. Cricketers, swimmers, scientists, ...
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15 Jan 07
and, a great sense of humour, friendly people, beautiful countryside, ... the list just goes on. Thanks, and I hope to return there someday soon.
15 Jan 07
I agree with you. The Australian model seems the right balance for children of all levels of ability, and gives non-academic, but practical training where thought best. Strange that such a fine, and sensible system should be sitting under our politicians noses, within the commonwealth, and in a country many of our politicians aren't unacquainted with. Thank you for your reply, which has been a real eye-opener for me. It seems the system also provides great cricketers, and doesn't stifle any talent. Congratulations all round.
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
15 Jan 07
I was a caseworker in Philadelphia between 1975 and 1985 and we had a pretty stupid system here too. Kids were carried on the school's books until the age of 17 as long as they were registered. The schools were legally unable to drop them from their books. Since their mother's could collect welfare for them only if registered, I saw a lot of those books. Many kids were in attendence two days each year - the first day (registration day) of each semester. That way mom got her welfare money and the kids were free to roam the streets which is what they did unless they were in juvenile hall awaiting trial. Don't know if that's still the system or not here but I think there has to be a better way to utilize youthful energy than forced education which usually winds up being just forced enrollment.
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15 Jan 07
Often, when a student is not academically bright, they excel in other fields, and these aren't so easily assessed in a percentile form, so the government doesn't like it. I believe many of these youths would flourish if given a more practical skills-based education. Thank you for the data, and opinions.
@telzzz (66)
• Spain
14 Jan 07
I agree it should be left as it is at 16. It speaks volumes that a government that has dumbed down education so much now has to try to redress the balance - it can't educate the kids properly in the time they're at school so they're making them stay on another two years to teach them the stuff they should have learned by the time they were 16. That'll get the conspiracy theorists babbling...
14 Jan 07
I must say that when I was at school (oh, the glorious days of Flashman, Tom Brown and us all) History, Geography, Religion and Sociology were 4 different, though intertwining, subjects - now, it's Humanities, and a quarter of the time is spent actually learning the subjects! Not sure whether that qualifies as 'Humanitiesgate' or just an observation. Did you know Shakespeare was really Christopher Marlowe?! It's a scandal. Thanks for the comments, and good luck, no doubt the Illuminati or Meninblack will be paying you a visit shortly...
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@cisco1 (539)
• United States
14 Jan 07
I live in the states and it laws is to 18. I see it as good because you will be more educated and there is nothing wrong with going to school for two years. our government aknowledge 18 then you become and adult.
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15 Jan 07
In the UK, 16 seems to be the gateway to many things that the US doesn't permit till 18. I think that in the UKs case, it is the fact that the government have destroyed the education system to such an extent, it takes teachers two years longer to teach as much, and the pupils are the ones who suffer. Less pointless league tables, better examining practices, and more money for facilities and equipment would be a better way forward, in my opinion. Thank you for sharing your experience.
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15 Jan 07
You're right, this government is obsessed with assessing everybody from children to doctors. Everyone except themselves, of course, because they dropped monitoring their own performance, when it was shown they were failing across the board.
@Jaytech (2251)
15 Jan 07
I was just about to comment on all the tests & exams, it seems to me they are so busy revising for the endless tests that they're left with very little time to actually learn anything new! As for forcing them to stay on until they're 18, it will just cause even more resentment from an already despondent youth. Where there used to be apprenticeships to teach our young valuable skills upon leaving school, to prepare them with a skill & a career for life, now they have little to look forward to other than stacking shelves in Tescos (oops they don't even have that now, due to the mass immigration)
@Judobird (88)
16 Jan 07
I think there is a lot of emphasis on the parents here that the parents may not be supporting their children as much in so much as their futhering their education. I stayed on to do A levels (did quite well as well but I am not going to brag) and I am now at university doing a law degree, however I think if my parents had not shown me the advantages of furthering my education in some capacity, even if it was in the form of an apprenticeship i would not have been as enthusiastic or influenced to stay in further education and consequently proceed to higher education. I found that realistically most of my peer group and probably myself included were really not informed enough at the age of 16 to make those sorts of choices. I don't think a national curriculum style education should be mandatory, but maybe include apprenticeships or on the job training type education, as not all education is textbook, and according to the government there is a shortage in the vocational fields..
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16 Jan 07
Go ahead and brag about your 'A' levels, you deserve to. Your point about the parents role is a very good one, I know that I was fortunate enough to have a mother who didn't work when I was very young, and contributed highly to my early education in particular, and that set me up very well for later schooling. I think that, unfortunately, too many of todays jobs pay a relatively little wage, and especially single parents and some 'working class' households now require parents to work long, and often unsociable hours, which prevents them from spending as much time with their children as would be best. I suspect this may also have the knock-on effect of children having to fend for themselves and find their own entertainment, which in the modern 'computer/PS3/Nintendo age' is often not a book. I didn't have as many potential distractions when I was young, otherwise it may well have been much harder for my parents to get me to study. I, too, would advocate a return to the sixth form technical colleges and polytechnic system, because you are completely correct about not all education being from a book. Thank you for your contribution, it is especially nice to hear from someone on the other side of the fence, and I wish you well with your law studies.
@itsjustmeb (1212)
• Canada
15 Jan 07
frankly I think school should be mandatory...
15 Jan 07
This will only work if they make education more inspiring and not just teaching to the test. My daughter finished school last Sept and then went to college. She choose 3 sujects for A level and after 2 months was bored out of her skull. She said it was nothing like she thought it was going to be. She has been looking for a job and it is impossible. Everywhere she goes they want experience. Nearly all her friends are so unmotivated to get a job as they have left school with no skills to send them into the workforce. This government needs to take responsibility and recognise the National Curriculum is failing so many students. They become disruptive because they are usually bored if they are not academic. No one learns a trade in this country anymore. Look at a few years ago, we didn't have enough plumbers. Cheap foreign workers are keeping wages down and most young people will not work for the wages paid nowadays. I can see this being a complete disaster if they do not look at this rationally. I work in education and the system stinks. The segregation of schools caused by middle class parents able to select what school their child can go to has caused alot of schools to fail because there isn't the mixture there was when I was at school. I've seen it happen for my self and it really pisses me off. Alot of children are leaving school without basic levels in reading and writing. What difference is upping the age to 18 going to do. Alot of kids will just bunk off. Sorry to have gone on but anything to do with education in this country at the moment makes my blood boil. A good discussion +
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15 Jan 07
As a teacher, I can only echo everything you've said in your response. A whole generation has already lost out, and there will be many more unless the government actually undoes the damage it has already done, and addresses the real issues, in a practical and common sense manner. I don't know whether you've read the post above about Australia, but I'm jealous as all hell of their system. Why can't our government learn from these tried and tested experiences?
16 Jan 07
I did read it and it does sound like good system. i know there are courses students can go on here, but they are not usually worthwhile. Alot will yake them to get out of the classroom. A friend of my daugher did a beauty course, hardly ever attended school after this and when it came to her GCSE'S she failed every one. What does this tell us. I work with alot of supply teachers from many different countries and they are shocked at our once repected education system. Very depressing state of affairs!!!
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16 Jan 07
Sorry for all the spelling mistakes. I usually check before posting!!!
@tibzoy (110)
• Philippines
14 Jan 07
What heck is going on here??!!! That would be an added expense, I guess. Plus, schooling is not always an interest among teens. I think that one problem deep within this issue is not the rising rate of unemployment but the increasing automation of jobs in mostly big multi-national or even local companies. What used to be a job done by a hundred people can now be done by a single chiphead--the computer. For me, that would be unfair...
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14 Jan 07
It would require a great expenditure across the education system, more classrooms, teachers and books. I'm not sure how the upper/middle classes will respond, when many of them already pay for their childrens educations (not to mention our left-wing pro-state education government, who send their own children to private schools!). You are absolutely correct with your comment about automation; I live in the North of England, where 'those dark Satanic mills' (William Blake) once stood, with whole towns built around each factory, and those mills are now gone (or, converted into shopping centres or luxury loft appartments!) and hiigh rates of unemployment. But, there are other factors; when I first left school, and took what is now commonly termed a 'gap year', I took a day job in an Insurance firm, on £8,000 p/a. The same company now pays £10,500 at basic entry level, yet 20 years have passed. Wages in these industries are proportionally much smaller than they were, but house prices, etc have grown by roughly ten times that amount. Many people can't afford to buy a house anymore, and having two years without job experience and promotion opportunities will just make them feel that society has left them even further behind. Thanks for your comments on this issue, they are welcomed.
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@darer121 (91)
14 Jan 07
i also dont think that is a good move by the government, i am staying on umtil 18 but i couldnt bare to be with all of the yobs that dont care about education, it will just make the schooling system worse by keeping them in it
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14 Jan 07
I think forcing education on people will not serve to educate them, and could damage the schooling of those who would choose to stay in education. Good luck with your 'A' levels, and try not to let the pressure get to you. They are an important stepping stone, but can always be retaken, when there may be less stress on you, or even be un-necessary. I'm sure you'll do fine, your comment reflects intelligence and a good mind, but don't let the stress get to you. Thank you very much for the input.
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15 Jan 07
Parents, teachers and friends will all tell you that your exams are important, but the truth is they aren't the be-all-and-end-all of existence, so give yourself time to chill and relax. All the best.
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14 Jan 07
yh thanks for the tips on stress