Do you think the Roman Catholic Church is hiding truths?
@silenciobarnes (249)
United States
January 14, 2007 9:55pm CST
Do you think that the Roman Catholic church is hiding truths about religion and the world as we know it?
They have been around for quite a while and have had their fingers in every pot in every place. I think of the Vatican as a sort of religious Pentagon, hiding secrets that they feel the world should probably not know.
Any thoughts on this?
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18 responses
@faylinn_chaeli (1619)
• Philippines
18 Jan 07
I agree with you, there are some secrets that they are hiding. In my opinion there are biblical verses that they are not paying attention to. I am not a Catholic and I see some wrong teachnings there.
@silenciobarnes (249)
• United States
1 Feb 07
Can you elaborate on any of this? Like some specific verses. And yes I do agree about the secrets.
@sunshinecup (7871)
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17 Jan 07
I certainly do!
The Roman Catholic Church has had a power obsession for decades. Part of their biggest tool has been holding secrecy over many truths that would relinquish that power from their grip. They are the corporation of religion, making sure they keep their demand on high for their supply. I know this is not an example of their secrecies, but this does show how they manipulate in order to hold power. The delusion the church pushes that one must confess to their priests in efforts of receiving forgiveness. That there is a HUGE bluff on their parts and is unfounded. Yet thousands for Catholics confess on a regular base and are sure to leave a nice donation as well.
I do think times are changing and some of those secrets they hold so dearly onto, are seeping from their grasp and making their way into the public. I also think the Church is losing more and more power each year.
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@silenciobarnes (249)
• United States
1 Feb 07
Well, I certainly agree that the Roman Catholic Church has a monopoly on religion on this planet. And whether they should be brought down or not is a question I can't answer. Maybe a couple of thousand years ago, it would have been for the best, but now they are deeply entrenched in every aspect of this planet. I don't think they are ever going anywhere.
As far as the secrets they hold, I agree, they definitely know things that I would say 99.9% of the world don't. And why wouldn't they, they sought out and snatched up every piece information that they could find regarding all things spiritual and metaphysical. And stepped on any idea that did not originate from thier camp (by the sword if need be)...
@paarsurrey (62)
• Pakistan
19 Jan 07
I do respect everybody's faith, but I can't resist agreeing with you that the Catholic Church is too secretive, from the very beginning it was based on mysteries. Please don't mind, if I am wrog please correct me, it started with the mystery of Crucifixion of Jesus, while it was not a mystery at all, then they based atonement, ascension, sonship and divinity on it, a heap of mysteries over mysteries, which the followers with any common sense could never understand .The result was that the followers of Catholic Religion became having a Blind Faith, while the faith is strong only if it is research oriented having no secrets and no mystereis.This is what I believe, others have every right to disagree or agree with me.
Thanks
@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
22 Jan 07
I think it's a blend of good and bad, like all other things.. and groups..
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@NancyLobo (680)
• India
18 Jan 07
Yes, Roman Catholic church hides many facts from the people and the people in that community suffer they are well aware of all the biblical truth but don't tell it to the the people hence the people keep doing what is not correct according to the bible anyway god will not judge the people he will judge the priests and teachers who do this.
@silenciobarnes (249)
• United States
1 Feb 07
That poses the question: Are we unintentionally sinning because of false teachings? And if so, are we to be judged harshly in the afterlife for our own ignorance? It makes me think of Perdition (or is it Limbo), the place where people go because they existed before Jesus saved everybody from sin. Always thought that was kind of messed up.
And I don't think that everybody is aware of the secrets within. I'm sure that even most of the higher ups have no clue whatsoever to some of things contained in the Vatican and elsewhere.
@Citra1881 (528)
• Indonesia
16 Jan 07
another thing,
have you seen the news that the vaticans built a huge telescope in the USA?
strange isn't it?
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@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
22 Jan 07
did ya look up the website? that was hilarious...
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@Citra1881 (528)
• Indonesia
17 Jan 07
pathetic..
pathetic..
maybe they have an excuse like "the world haven't ready yet to know the truth" things like that..
sure.. sure..
keep all the truth for yourselves.. pathetic.
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@silenciobarnes (249)
• United States
17 Jan 07
They have a whole observatory in Arizona, supposedly one of the oldest, meaning they've been doing this for a while.
Curious
I found a whole article about how they feel about having a space observatory while being, no offense, religious zealots.
Unfortunately I can't copy and paste yet...
www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/vatican_observe_000716.html
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@Citra1881 (528)
• Indonesia
16 Jan 07
i think so..
they have so many ancient books in their private library.
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@silenciobarnes (249)
• United States
17 Jan 07
They certainly do. And I'm sure that they have a few copies of each and every book they ever had banned. What I wouldn't give to read through some of those works...
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@Citra1881 (528)
• Indonesia
17 Jan 07
right!
apocrifs text for example, or ancients documents that they've took in the crusades times..
but someday the truth will emerge!
like the case of exorcism..
let's hope.
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@Neo_Knights (1882)
• Indonesia
26 Jan 07
Recently I read the Gospel of Judas.
The gospel is very different from the other 4 gospels.
The gospels explain that Judas has a very big task that will suffer him but he'll get a bigger piece of heaven from the other apostles. You know the task !
If we have opinion that church has lied to us, the gospel may change everything.
But how abot the Gospel of Judas is just a short novel at that time, and we believe in it ?
History made by the winner. Yeah that's true.
But, the next winner can change the history too.
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@buenavida (9984)
• Sweden
26 Jan 07
I read once about a letter that was written by a cardinal to the new pope in 16th century. The cardinal advised him not to let the ordinary people read the Bible. Why?
Because it would reveal that the Catholic church often did not follow the teachings of the Holy Bible and even more often directly did the opposite.
False religions have caused lots of trouble for people during thousands of years and according to the Bible it will soon be taken away by God Almighty.
@arseniajoaquin (1732)
• Philippines
27 Jan 07
The Roman Catholic Church follow the Catechism which embodies their doctrines or teachings. They teach Catechism which is open to all and in fact it is here in the internet. And thus, in this sense, they do not hide secrets.
Christianity follows the Christian religion the doctrines or teachings of which are embodied in the Holy Bible. I am a Christian who belong to the congregation of The Central Church of Christ with assembly place at the Rotary Center, Roces Ave., Quezon City, Philippines.
The Roman Catholic Church started in the year 606 and they amend their doctrines as they please.
@luzamper (1357)
• Philippines
27 Jan 07
You know many things. I thought the Roman Catholic Church is hiding their teachings. When I was a child, we attended masses in the Roman Catholic Church, I didn't understand what the priests were saying as they use different language.
@mcrowl (1050)
• New Zealand
26 Jan 07
I was going to say many of the things Irisheyes said, so I won't repeat them. Dan Brown's biggest 'legacy' is to have left the world thinking that the Catholic church has been involved in some big conspiracy. It's total nonsense, and there are umpteen books on the subject showing that it's nonsense. The books that Brown is supposed to have based his information on are also nonsense, but people read and believe this stuff anyway - as is evident from most of the responses you've had to your discussion. Hardly any thought going on, just a lot of rumours. Rumours are never truth; truth is truth. Check out the real history of the Catholic church, check out the real story of Constantine, and you'll find that Dan Brown's stuff is a load of crap. The trouble is he's now begun to believe it himself!
I was brought up a Catholic, so I know a lot more about the church than most of you probably do, and I know that these sorts of conspiracy theories have been floating around much longer than I've been alive - all of sixty years. Most of them go back a couple of centuries at least.
The trouble is people don't read real history, just the Dan Brown sort of history, which is rubbish.
@urbandekay (18278)
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26 Jan 07
Yes, they are hiding the facts about Jesus's siblings and that authority in the Church passed not to Peter but to James the Just, Jesus's brother. That Mary was not immaculately conceived and did not remain a virgin after the birth of Jesus. That the doctrine of the Trinity was not formulated till the 3rd century and is not supported by scripture.
All the best urban
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@urbandekay (18278)
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27 Jan 07
irisheyes, Mea Culpa. Sorry I see I have misunderstood thank you for your correction
all the best urban
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@fishtayo (62)
• Philippines
22 Jan 07
I agree in my personal opinion, I watched in the discovery channel about the building of the bible, they are very quite bias in stating their facts, but I find out that ther are many missing gospel that they find out and especially the gospel of Jude, which was kept for a long time. It was not included by Constantine in the making of the bible, which was presented like a story which has a beginning and an end, he made the bible because he was in a religious war and want the people to unite, by doing so he does not include a gospel of Jude, he want him to be depicted as a traitor, but in his gospel he was certainly the greatest apostle, because Jesus whisper to him that he was destined to betray him, eventhough it was against his will. So dont you wonder why he hangs himself beside the guilt he felt.
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@Exoticisme (1)
• United States
23 Jan 07
what a great topic! I am in agreement that the Roman Catholic church hides truths, occurences, illegal activity. I skimmed your comments and everyone has touched on what I've heard and read, the child molestation is documented. My parents are Jehovah's Witnesses and have been for years. That was one of my biggest problems with their organization is that while they very critical of Roman Catholics and other organized religions they themselves had their own internal 'agenda protocol' if you will, of handling wrong doing/doers withing their organization. When a member would 'confess' a sin such as rape, child molestation the member would be required to appear in front of a committee of appointed 'elders' to discuss the 'wrongdoing' and extent of the punishment. This same protocol for anyone discovered committing wrong doing. While most religions believe you should follow man's 'law' you don't EVER see or hear of them turning in members that are 'excommunicated' or disfellowshipped from their organizations to the local authorities to take responsiblitiy for the ILLEGAL ACT.
In some cases they are known to "pray" over the person and that person is 'blessed' & 'forgiven' and sent along their way. This religious protocol of 'hiding' wrongdoing that is not only immoral but illegal was not something I could condone. Needless to say I'm not Roman Catholic or a Jehovah's Witness.
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@wins902007 (133)
• Romania
26 Jan 07
yea.. i think roman catholic sucks. they hide the truths, because history said it. however not all members of catholic are bad some of the are holy though.
@adik13 (26)
• Philippines
25 Jan 07
absolutely! even before the renaissance period, the church is already hiding truths. The leaders of the catholic church knows exactly what to do to hold power over the people.
during those days knowledge is very scarce, books can only be found in the private library of the churches, and thats because 'ignorance' is very useful to the church to maintain peace and order to their community, and with ignorance comes fear of the unknown, and thats another tool the church used to hold power.
they used the fear of God. upon publishing the Bible, they only pick the books that would show examples of 'blind obedience' to God. an easy way to manipulate people into doing things that would profit the church.
until now the Bible is being published in thousand per day and sold to the public, its still the 'one sided' truth book that many catholics read.
@GnosticGoddess (5626)
• United States
27 Jan 07
Yes they are. That's pretty commonly known. They picked and choose, edited and re-wrote every book in the canonized version of the Bible. There is just way too much information that I have researched to get into in this one discussion. But the answer is yes. They've covered up or hide facts about Jesus, Mary Magdelene, the crucifixtion, ect.
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@iluvmydaisy (333)
• United States
1 Feb 07
I don't know if they are hiding any truths, but it sure seems they've twisted the truth over the years.
@wenkinnoc (482)
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1 Feb 07
Being a Catholic and a Freemason i find this discussion highly offensive. yes, there are some texts that are kept secret from the public. Why? because a lot of them relate to my pet hate Diabloism. Texts on black magic, idoltry and paganism are all kept here, books that if were in the wrong hands, and weak minds, cold quite easily be incredibly powerful and dangerous.
It is not to oppress the rest of the world, nor is it profit, but for protection.
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