Would you kill baby Hitler?
By SplitZip
@SplitZip (1488)
Portugal
January 19, 2007 6:56pm CST
The photo below is a photo of Adolf Hitler as a baby.
Can you spot any glints of malice, cruelty or evil in his eyes?
I think it's interesting to see how people were as children, then compare it to how they turned out as grown-ups. Can you do some self-assessment here?
Myself, I was pretty much the same as I was as a child, except life has made me very cynical and a bit bitter about most things. I guess I could've turned out a lot worse. One of my favorite stories is "The Lord of the Flies", because I've always thought that children are seen as innocent, when they are vicious little creatures when left to their own devices. William Golding agreed with me. How do you turn an evil child into a kind and compassionate one? Is evil behaviour learned or is it something you're born with? How does someone go from a chubby wide-eyed baby to a drug-addicted genocidal maniac?
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@korek222 (701)
• Poland
20 Jan 07
Honestly i wouldn't! The baby is not guilty in any kind so the Hitler when he was a baby was not an evil person. He turnout to be an evil maniac when he grew up cause that was how his society made him. He grew in vicious times , without particularly any scheme of good behaviour or even a hero to follow. (My opinion is based on the book about live of Hitler written after Second World War by a english hisctoric Bullock) So Huitler when he was baby was not guilty of any kind and despite childish crimes as we all do he was just a normal good baby. And yet i think that if hitler would grew up in a different society, country etc. he would never turn to the same person he became!
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@lilaclady (28207)
• Australia
20 Jan 07
I would like to believe all babies are born beautiful and innocent, and something happens later, although I also believe everyone has a journey mapped out for them but I am not sure what to believe if evil is automatically written into that journey I guess we will find that out when we ourselves move on.
@SplitZip (1488)
• Portugal
20 Jan 07
Why is it impossible then, to see innocence and beauty in grown-ups. We've all been a baby at some point! I don't know if this is clear... But it's something that I've thought about: as a child you are regarded in a certain light, but once you grow up, it's almost like society devoids you of those qualities you once posessed as a child. Children are to be protected, but once they grow up... tough luck, you're on your own. But everyone was a child once. So what went wrong? If personality is a growing process, then why is childhood severed from adulthood? I think maybe people should be appreciated for all that they were, are and will be. But we're mostly seen for what we are and accomplish in the present. This is why so many great people die in absolute oblivion or infamy?
I do think a lot of children are little monsters, I've seen what they can do... so it takes a lot of education, control, upbringing and love to make someone grow into a decent person. It's a bit like the lotus metaphor, growing from the sludge into a beautiful blossom.
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@cloudwatcher (6861)
• Australia
20 Jan 07
While we can see innocence in a baby, it is not long before we see another side.
No mother ever teaches her child to tell lies, to get angry, to say "no" in defiance. It is part of human nature. Every child ever born has the ability to do wrong, and a bias towards doing wrong. A child's natural reaction is to please self.
Every child needs direction. Every child needs teaching and discipline and the need for self control. We do not continue to see a child as innocent and then suddenly, when an adult, as no longer innocent. Right from birth, a wise mother will teach that child the right behaviour.
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@SplitZip (1488)
• Portugal
20 Jan 07
I agree with you there, except the part where no parent teaches these things to their child. Way too many do. Either through direct coaching (telling them to do something that is wrong) or be observation of their example! Plenty of bad parents out there!
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@amusements (106)
• United States
20 Jan 07
I've thought about this many times. William Golding wrote Lord of the Flies as an argument... and though it's an interesting one, it's not one I agree with. I find it difficult to believe that people are inherently evil - especially because of my faith. I do not think that God would create anyone who was evil to begin with... but if someone falls under the sway of negative influences AND makes poor choices, this side could surface within them. I don't think genetics are to blame at all - or, perhaps they are, but in this case I don't think they should be used to defend someone in court, or allow or disallow someone to have children because that person is prone to depression, angry thoughts, etc... does that make sense?
I don't believe in destiny, or everything being caused by psychology. I think that in most cases except a few rare ones, people have free will over their actions and deserve to be punished for them. I think Hitler got a few pushes in the wrong direction, and then made some bad - evil - decisions.
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@SplitZip (1488)
• Portugal
21 Jan 07
The part about defending someone in court is interesting, because, if they proved that a certain gene could make people more prone to stealing or to murder, wouldn't they use it as a defense? They do it in cases of criminal insanity!
But you know, the reason why I think people are born into evil (although the word "evil" is probably too strong), is the impression left on me from observing people and children. I don't know how you feel about evolution, but when we are born, we are born without any social conventions and moral principles, which we learn as we grow. So there is definitely an "animal" side to us, that is not very pretty to look at. Maybe some people, like some animals, are more violent than others, at birth. We all have different talents, different strengths, why not different predispositions in our behavior?
Thanks for your thoughtful reply.
@RxONE1 (495)
• United States
20 Jan 07
what i am going to say about this picture is:
"How cutes and innocents they look when they are babies!"
To tell you the truth how doesn't looks evil in this picture
and its true what it said , life is changing people to good or bad
and i thanks god that's life was good with me (lets hope its stays like that)
and about your question "Is evil behavior learned or is it something you're born with?"
i think its wrong question because if babies grown up without involving with the life problems they wil be good and as everyone born good in nature
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@SplitZip (1488)
• Portugal
20 Jan 07
See, this isn't necessarily true. Remember people like the Menendez brothers, who murdered their parents. They claimed they were abused, but evidenced suggested they were actually spoiled by their parents. I'm sure there are more examples of people who have grown up in normal environments, and yet they commited evil actions. But at the moment, this was the first one that came to mind.
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@mayomagic101 (252)
• Philippines
20 Jan 07
no we should not treat the baby as like their parent because they are totally different from their parents and completely different human being.. we should treat anyone fair
@dtchucuoi (91)
• United States
20 Jan 07
I don't know whether I should believe if evil behavior something ones learn or was born with. There are too many opinions out there and certainly I do not know which to believe, so best not think about it. Also, about the question, "Never judge a book by its cover".
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@dtchucuoi (91)
• United States
20 Jan 07
By the way, did you know that before Adolf Hitler was a dictator, he was a fan of Mussolini, the dictator of Italy during WWII?
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@marytoad (53)
• United States
20 Jan 07
Wow, this discussion is really interesting! I would agree with the one above that said that children (well, we ALL are) born into sin...i.e., with a bent toward doing wrong. The bible says & I agree "Man is born to sin as the sparks fly upward". I just couldn't agree more!
I have 5 small children at home now & I see it everyday, how we as mothers have to SHAPE, mold & actually CARVE out a decent person. (Hence the saying of someone gone astray in adulthood: "he was left to his own too much"...or "raised themselves".)
Need I say more?
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@jet_juggler (234)
• India
20 Jan 07
if you had studied physics or engineering you would be aware of the law of equillibrium, tats is every thing will work pretty well if every thing is in equillibrium.. the same hold good for life too.. a world devoid of bad people or people against humanity will not survive longer.. the only thing we need to think about is which side are we going to take.. let me cite the role hitler has played.. he was one of prime force to formation of united nations.. he is the reason, the countries are joind today and trade is open.. though he may be considered one of the most evil man, he was the reason so many changes took place in the world.. take the examples of people, like sadam, oasama bin laden.. though they are considered anti humane people, they have contributed some thing for the world.. same can said for every person.. so i wont kill baby hitler
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@MissGia (955)
• United States
20 Jan 07
To answer the question: no i wouldnt kill the baby Hitler...you dont know what a child is going to do just by looking at them as a baby. I believe behavior, such as what Hitler did, is learned. You learn to hate, you dont just pop out of the womb antisemetic. There were other beliefs as to why Hitler turned into a genocidal maniac...he was rumored to have syphillis which can cause a person to do odd things.
But you do pose an interesting concept..You look at a baby and you always think cute,adorable..yada yada yada..but you never look at a baby and think "Man, this kid could be President, Pro Football Player, world leader, serial killer"..you just sit and view the child as innocent.
sorry for rattling on + for you discussion
@curried (49)
• South Africa
20 Jan 07
I would never kill him. I loved that book as well. "The Lord of the Flies" was brilliant novel. It just showed that children are also capable of killing and being completely savage.
But More importantly I think that it is important for hitler to have lived. Otherwise we would not have a world now where german eng was advanced. I don't know why he had to be evil, but def do think he added to the world albeit in an almost negative manner.
@SHERYARSHAH (118)
• Pakistan
20 Jan 07
no never why i kill a baby why we punish him for his father sins
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@SplitZip (1488)
• Portugal
20 Jan 07
You're the second person to misunderstand the topic. That isn't Hitler's baby, that is Hitler when he WAS a baby. So that isn't the question at all.
As far as I know, Hitler never had any children. You know what they say, that old wartime song: "Hitler's only got one ball!" ;)
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@charlazio (215)
• Italy
20 Jan 07
nice shock topic. i suppose this thread would be better titled "nature vs nurture". I believe we turn out as sum total of how we were raised for the most part. as for yourself, saying you're "pretty much the same" is a bit of a stretch. I seriously doubt that you were in anyway "cynical and a bit bitter" that's learned through nurture.
in the end, no i wouldn't kill baby hitler.
@shakadoodoo (737)
• Dallas, Texas
20 Jan 07
I think he looks like one of the Beatels childern because of that haircut. I agree that we are creatures of enviroment. But I also think that being a leader and controling people may be in somone regaurdless of where they are at. Wasn't it when he was in Jail when he started to come up with this philosphy? I am not giving him excuses but I have seen the Penatentry mess up a lot of people.
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@SplitZip (1488)
• Portugal
20 Jan 07
Ha, there's something slightly Beatlesque about him, yes :)
I think he wrote "mein kampf" in prison, yes... he lived through the first war, was a soldier and didn't like the jews, who he saw as traitors and all that. But anti-semitism in Europe and in Germany goes waaaay back. Events can trigger things that are always present, but somewhat hidden...
@pinangshuk (133)
• India
20 Jan 07
how could one can kill a baby?????
i mean at baby stage....no one knows what he will become in future...even if know that this is baby hitler...we can change his behaviour as he grow up...in that way we can change his characteristics...if possible..
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@SplitZip (1488)
• Portugal
20 Jan 07
I should've chosen another topic title :)
The part about killing baby Hitler is a cliche, and I used it almost as a joke. The important part, what I'm really asking is about child development. But people really like the thought of time travel and baby Hitler, so what can I do?
@casper20 (1463)
• India
20 Jan 07
i have read that novel too.i don't think that i agree with your point though.children are good.if they are left in an unguided situation they change.but they are not supposed to be left alone.it is the fault of the others who caused them to take respoonsibily of themselves .you can't blame the kids for anything they did in that book.you can't blame any child.its the tragedies that happened in his life that made hitler into the person he became.
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@Dolcerina (3376)
• Hungary
20 Jan 07
I think nobody was born as an evil. But if I could turn back time, I would stop him in his childhood. I would check him,and probably I would send him into closed mental hospital. But if I had no other choice to save the millions's life I would kill the baby. I do not know how, but I would think of the millions, when I would need some power to do it. :((
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@shemb1 (464)
• Sri Lanka
20 Jan 07
Child is a child. he/she is not a criminal or whatever bad thing on the earth. child mother or father can be cruel and they can be convert this child to be criminal. but child cant do it from himself. So baby is baby ir dosent matter child is from who's.. But baby can be good when he/she in futer.
@ashu_aryan85 (494)
• India
20 Jan 07
babies r always innocent..tey being hitler or osama...no body ever ll feel like killing a baby!!!!!!!
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@shareefbacha (85)
• Pakistan
20 Jan 07
Well hitler is considered to be one of the most cruelest man in the world because he killed innocent people but you should realize that this is what happens in wars. The war in iraq( I hope you remember, It is not too old), tthere also thousand of innocents are killed daily. DO anyone of you ever say that american are cruel because they have killed thousands of people instead you term them as allied forces. This is just a your perception that hitler was cruel, however for his country he was one of the hero, an agitator who led the forces of germany.
@SplitZip (1488)
• Portugal
20 Jan 07
He was a hero only for a short time. Also, remember that the people of Germany were living under an oppressive, fascist state. If they didn't show their support, bad things would happen to them and their family. Many political oppositors were sent to their deaths in concentration camps and the like.
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@Bakuhn7 (132)
• United States
20 Jan 07
ummm probobly not. i would be unawar of his future. plus alot if hitlers uprise was the cause of the post war famine in germany after the WWI. Germany was so poor and had such low moral form the brittish blockage, they were just desperate for a leader. hitler was that man, and unfortunatly used that position of power for evil means. I wish the worls could just be peaceful. :(