I am a "street sociologist" of sorts and I wonder....
By sharone74
@sharone74 (4837)
United States
January 20, 2007 3:42am CST
Does anyone other than me notice that the world governments and educational systems are seemingly aimed towards making the populace more tractable and less militant by assimilating everyone into stupid mindless drones who cant add (72+45)x(9x12)/9-45 without a calculator. It seems that the days when an instructor would pose a mathematical equation and little hands would fly to find notebook paper and a No. 2 pencil to cipher out what the sum was! In fact my 17 year old daughter is now taking geometry and one of the "required" school supplies for this class is a calculator. In fact the list of stuff that we needed to procure was long and never once refered to college ruled notebook paper and/or any writing utensil save for a barring of the usage of erasable pens.
More people these days work on their a$$es pushing keys all day than the much lower number of craftsmen who still work with their hands. The farms that are privately owned and family run are being squeezed out of existence of at best to the brink of their own citification and button pushing futures, by super-ranches that are full of machines and company policies and corners that can legally be cut that shouldn't be in putting food on the American families dinner table. Have you heard people(ranchers) referring to "growing" their livestock or their "produce"(again livestock) as quickly as possible to get it to market. Is this what animal husbandry and love of good solid land to grow food, and a family on has become?
Apparently so, because like it or not this is how we're living.
Think about this. The average "modern man" would be at an utter and complete loss to survive if the gears of modern civilization ground to a halt tomorrow. I f you are in doubt as to whether or not you are in the 8-15% minority of humans on the planet that have the skills and the abilities to hunt and gather their own food and materials for clothing, housing, communication.As for ANY of the thousands of elctronic gadgets and toys that we view as neccessities today, these would become useless in a brave new world if the elctricity failed to flow, and Ralph's or Stater Brothers would cease to exist in a swipe without goods to sell or communtications they would be dark, empty, and thouroughly useless for anything but group habitation if the grid were to drop tomorrow. Everything that we3 techies holed so dear would be unusable after 3-5 days if the power companies failed to deliver electricity.
Scary thought about what you are capable of and how you were to survive if the "network" narrowed down to 1 in your support group within a week of a major supply crisis for food, clean water, medical supplies and services, and of course food. Here's the question, can you honestly assert that you would be among the tiny survivorship if our modern conveniences that populate our world and define it's boundaries for us were to begin to fail?
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12 responses
@thewatchlist (653)
• United States
20 Jan 07
I completely agree with you.
I went to a smaller movie theater a few years ago that didn't have a big fancy cash register I guess... You could buy your snacks at the same register where you bought your tickets. The poor kid behind the counter had to ask a co-worker and then bust out a calculator to figure out the change from a $20 bill for 2 $5 early show tickets plus a $2.50 soda and a $3.50 popcorn.
Here in my home state, the problem is that no one wants to hurt anyone's feelings. The schools give kids a certificate for completing high school if they don't manage to make state minimum requirements to actually get a diploma.
As for your survival scenario... I think many people who did know what to do would be in trouble because they'd be far out numbered by those who don't.
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@sharone74 (4837)
• United States
21 Jan 07
I think that that enormous number of deadbeats may be on their own. They would come to one of the ones who knows how to survive not to learn what he knows but to deify him and serve so that he will take care of them. Which is a lot of work and I can't see many people being sympathetic to flattery when work and skills are what is required. The cans will vanish back into their hidey holes and let the can't do's sort themselves out. The need for survival being paramount reduction in numbers stretches available supplies.
@nuffsed (1271)
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20 Jan 07
This is one of my hobby-horse subjects. I am convinced after studying American, and Corporation policy over the past five years, that global Corporate domination, (which is independent of national priorities,) is the goal. We are all consumers first and citizens somewhere lower down the the list of attributes. If you are not a class1 consumer you will find yourself at some disadvantages compared to your "betters". The more of a consumer you are, the more you are locked in to the technological machine.
Crocodile Dundee types and those of us who still remember mental arithmetic will be increasingly alienated by this trend. The discussion you have ignited is a very big one, it deserves to take off. I suspect our younger readers will care less.
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@sharone74 (4837)
• United States
21 Jan 07
How much younger? I am 32 and I have been studying this dismaying trend for the last 20 years or so.
@alchemistrx (2547)
• Philippines
21 Jan 07
I completely can mentally compute simple mathematical equations but for other equations that involves the use of trigonometry. I definitely need the use of the calculator.
@Mecboy (1050)
• United States
21 Jan 07
well, no becuase of Litium ion, it will last over 3 days,
Im mean huge litium ion batterys.
No, if that were to happen, Anti-matter will be proive better electricity.
One drop of Anti-Matter is so strong it can Power NEW YORK FOR ONE FULL DAY!
But it is unstable.
@nw1911guy (1131)
• United States
21 Jan 07
Uh Mecboy, time to come back to reality. We are talking real life and real stuff here. Please, step out of the virtual world and revisit reality for a moment please.
@bubblefish (164)
• United States
20 Jan 07
I would say that it's justifiable to use technologies in our daily lives. If we don't use the technologies, why did we even invent them in the first place? Maybe simple calculation like 30+50 can be easily solved using simple pen and paper approach, but how about calculations that involve sine, tangents, factorials, and similar things? Do it with hands? That would take a long long time. It's all about efficiency and productivity, to get things done efficiently. Civilizations would just fall and would not advance if everyone is having the mentally of not accepting new technologies and discoveries. They will be stuck at stone age, farming and fishing and hunting with rocks and spears.
=)
@sharone74 (4837)
• United States
21 Jan 07
Bubblefish your commentator beat me to it. Go back and read it again.
@nw1911guy (1131)
• United States
21 Jan 07
Hey bubblefish, no offense but you missed part of the question. go back and read it again.
@sharone74 (4837)
• United States
21 Jan 07
I don't think that I inferred education as a curative for this process. But if I did let me jump down off of that inferrence right here! Formal adult educational institutions is one of the cores of the problem. The fact that k-12 education is more for the purpose of keeping you busy during the day so your parents don't have to pay as much to the babysitters to survive is another. I am not down on getting an education what I am down on is letting other "schools of thought" govern your ability to evaluate things for yourself rather than siding with the schools of thought and not thinking for yourself regardless of the evidence your eyes and your hearts are giving you.
@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
21 Jan 07
"my 17 year old daughter is now taking geometry and one of the "required" school supplies for this class is a calculator"
Oh hell my son is only 13 and one of his "needs" accordign to the school list was a calculator and it had to be a scientific one not just your average everyday one...blows my mind!
Now I will admit i am one of those not so math inclined ppl...(cut me some slack I have a gr 8 partial gr 9 education)..I like calculators BUT I also dont need to figure out any major equations etc and if I do thats what my husband and kids are for LOL (that and to entertain me by being my vicitms LOL)....
all that being said...if the world were suddenly forced to go back to old school I would manage just fine....I can function quite well without all the high tech crap we have and truth be told I really am not as fond of it as many...I can and have had to go without the net, lights, phones, heat, etc etc numerous times in my life for one day and for as long as a week and I really enjoy it actually LOL....I think the only real problem I'd have would be accessing my bank BUT thats only because its in another country LOL...Mind you this time of yr the food thing could become a slight problem if I were to run out of canned goods but water wouldnt due to all the snow and oddly enough i know how to make water thanks to Bill Nye the Science Guy or was it Popular Mechanics for Kids...I dunno..one of those shows anyway LOL
I think that though technology has its benefits...it definately has far more downfalls IMO..ppl are less social and in turn less friendly...ppl are less able to make do even on the simpliest level (like making change as someone mentioned)....we rely on tech FAR TOO much I think..and holy hell the kids of today more often than not seriously have NO CLUE what to do...luckily for me, my kids already know how to "rough it" but so many little ones are at a loss which is really scarey
@kitchenwitchoftupper (2290)
• United States
21 Jan 07
I live along the Ohio River, right between many major power plants, so this is something that I also give a great deal of thought to.
Would I personally be able or even want to survive? I sincerely doubt it.
We have prepared for our family in case of this event but how do I know for sure that our preparations have been enough?
And in addition to your worries about math, let me add my worst fear; and that is our future generation's ability to read and write proper English. I use the word English because I don't know if it is as bad in other countries as it is in ours, but when I see some of the posts in here or on other groups, when I see text messages and instant messages, and see all of the abbreviated speech it makes me literally sick to my stomach. ~Donna
@SplitZip (1488)
• Portugal
21 Jan 07
I'm taking this personally! I could never make calculations out of the top of my head, I was actually a bit ashamed of this, but I had good grades at math (except for the last year, I hated the subject and it was useless to me anyway) and at everything else. I am not an idiot, just because I am not good with numbers.
Not taking it personally anymore, people wouldn't be able to survive in the situation you described because they are idiots, but because technological fields are highly specialized these days. Science, tecnology and most fields of knowledge are too complex for a single person to know ALL there is to know about them. People have to cooperate in teams to achieve results. I do feel sorry for not knowing things like building an engine. But if I wanted to learn how to build one, it wouldn't be very difficult. It's just that I would only be able to build a very rudimentary model, and not a jet engine to propel a plane. That requires many people, with different kinds of expertise.
@sigma77 (5383)
• United States
21 Jan 07
I might be able to make it. I didn't have a calculater or computer when I was in school. I was raised in the world before most of this tech stuff was invented.
You make a good point about the government wanting to create drones. If they allow to many people to start thinking for themselves, they become threatened. They hold their power by creating a mindless citizen who accepts whatever drivel the government supplies.
I don't worry about my survival. I don't want to worry about anything. I am impressed with your thinking and mind process. I beleive that you are one who thinks for them self. It is always adventerous to keep an open mind and arrive at your own conclusions. Nice subject...intellectually.
@MsRetro (249)
• United States
21 Jan 07
We have defintiely become very disconnected from the processes that enable our day to day life, no doubt.
This is something we can fight on an individual level, by learning crafts and trades, getting involved with the growing of our food (either garden or volunteer at a CSA farm, for instance) and simply being mindful of the world around us.
I think I'd stand a chance of making it through a survival situation. I'm reasonably physically fit, I have a pretty good grasp of first aid & alternative medicine, and I'm pretty resourceful. We live in hurricane country, so we keep a few weeks of food, potable water, and a few other necessities around. I'm part of a pretty good community, too, and I know we have each other's backs.