People of Color/Women - Will Things or Can Things Be Equal?

No, Deb, not being a person of color does not make you transparent - but by the same token, are band-aids that are marked "flesh-colored" really colored to match all flesh? ~Donna

And one more thing Deb, you are most certainly entitled to your opinion; and yes, I too was very disappointed and saddened at Hillary's choice to stay with a cheating husband at first. My gut reaction was the same as yours. But, is that not what I carried all of those signs back in the 60s and 70s for? Was it not so a woman could choose as she wanted to without someone telling her how to choose? I can remember that I quit carrying those signs because they became way too much of a burden when Helen Gurley Brown commented that "a woman who chose to stay at home and raise her children" was setting the movement back. To me, that comment set the movement back. "Choice" was the key word in my opinion; and again, in my opinion, "Choice" is what Hillary opted for. It may not have been my choice and it may not have been your choice; but it was the choice of another sister, and for that I must respect her decision. With that being said, is it not some sort of reverse discrimiation saying you would vote for a woman, but not for a "qualified woman" simply based on a choice she had made in her personal life? And using your last sentence, is it not just a bit judgemental using that as a reason to not vote for her? I would totally understand it if you were to say, "I don't think she is qualified in Homeland Defense". "I don't think she is qualified in Budgeting, or any of the many other presidential duties. Alas, I do go on ~Donna

Thank you destiny. Cheer up, sweet sister. We just need to keep the lines of communication flowing and keep talking about it - never letting people forget that we are all ONE, we are all of ONE, and we will all go back to ONE. ~Donna

Thank you for your post Evacuee, and thank you for giving me the name I was looking for. Another poster said she had never seen an obese president; thus eluding to why I had not mentioned obesity in my discrimination issues; and I could not remember, was Theodore not rather rotund? Or are those facts only to be found in the Rotunda? Oh, dear, it's getting late and I'm getting a little slap happy! Again, thank you for your posting and the history information - it is appreciated. ~Donna

The ONLY change that I have seen in my lifetime has been in the land of TV. I remember how African Americans were protrayed in the early 50s and it was not always in the best light. The only time they got top billing is if they were great entertainers: Sammy Davis, Jr., Ella Fitzgerald, etc. Then along came the Bill Cosby Show and middle class white Americans thought, "Now isn't this decent of us, giving these (at this time colored was appropriate) colored people a show of their own". What in the world was that about? I wasn't all that old in my mid teens perhaps, but that show really angered me. How in the world could most black American families really relate to that program? I lived in a city where there were several projects and I saw how my friends lived (I didn't live much better; but I was fortunate in being an only child so my parents didn't have to support a large family). I didn't know any white families that had a Doctor Dad who stayed at home with his practice and a Mother Lawyer. To me, it was just Bill Cosby selling out (please feel free to disagree with me if you are an African American, you would most certainly have more insight on this topic than I). At least now, we are seeing more than the 1 token black actor/actress on each TV program. You know, the one that never gets to have a relationship because that would the require hiring of 2 black actors. That is changing. We are now seeing more realistic characters with realistic lives. We are watching the African Americans as some of them gradually make their ways out of the areas they came from and succeed; as some of them stay in the areas of success they were born into and continue to succeed, and unfortunately, as some of them continue to live the only life they have ever know - to gang bang. Sometimes Spike Lee confuses the hell out of me; but I think he makes some major points and most of them are valid. Now, it seems as though the media is trying to concentrate on how to explain that Asians, Hispanics, and Middle Easterners also live in America. How are they going to do this? Naturally I did not watch the movie Borac/Borak?; and neither do I intend to; but does there not have to come a time when the PUBLIC - and that means YOU and ME stand up and VOICE OUR OPINIONS! We must tell the media what we want to see. I don't know about the rest of you; but when I see something on TV that I feel is racist, sexist, degrading, or in any way discriminatory, I automatically get onto the computer and write emails. I send them to the program producers, the advertizers, and the networks. A few grassroots efforts can go a long way. Let's take the high road and make it a long way toward Human Rights and Dignity to everyone ~Donna

Oh and if your wondering why the white house is called that.....It's cuz the dam thang is painted white.DUH? Not the color of anyone's skin.Shoot White people are pink.Let's call it the pink house ...see how stupid that sounds? maybe not.

I was wondering when this thread would get its resident jerk. I really wished I lived in the magical fantasy world you lived in. In a country where the KKK is allowed to burn their crosses and mail out their hate mail to anyone they like, and the Neo Nazi movement is alive and well and supported by a disturbing number of citizens, and there is still red line marketing and glass ceilings.... yeah. I can *definitely* see a black man or a woman being elected by the sexist, bigoted masses. Do me a favor and actually look around you. Then maybe you can see beyond your seat of default privilege.

You know kodesh, As far as my "cute" history lesson went, I told you about the POSITVE experience I had while working a white man's job! I neglected to tell you that I am 5'1" and at the time weighed in at about 98#. I neglected to tell you that the almost 2 years that I worked there I was held down and beaten several times "for taking a white man's job away from him" - as was my black brother. With me, it went a little farther. My black brother quit before is probabtionary period was up - he was too sickened by the entire scene to take any more (and there were other "man" jobs in the daylight that he could get hired at); I still needed to make enough money to feed my children that were getting no child support from their father. Now, do you want to hear that at one time I was brutally raped by 5-7 (I lost count) of my Union Brothers, had all of my clothing taken off me except my hard hat with my lantern and my belt that contained the power cord to the lantern, the steel tag with my ID number, and my tools on it and sent back out of the mine with a big flannel shirt that one of the older men who found me wrapped around my body? That was the most severe rape, but there were several 1:1 rapes that happened during my time there. What are you going to say to that? Well, you may say I should have gotten out of the situation. What would you say if it had been your fine black woman and that was what she wanted to do with her life - just support her children - and not on welfare or by working two minimum wage jobs? Would you tell her to report it to her supervisor? Have you ever worked a union job? If you have, you know things like this are just not done. Please don't wa, wa, me. I have lived it and I have Survived. You stand next to your shiny car and tell me a story that's real and now. I have supported Native American causes with as much gusto as I have African American causes. It is not often that my heart turns cold, but frankly your post so hurts/disgusts/sickens me, that I actually feel sorry for the woman you are with. You almost right about one thing. Even though our society will hold her down and push her back, she can at least try to do anything and go anywhere she wants to in life. My only question is, why would she choose to be with you? This was the m

Who, exactly did you not get Ashu? I will try to be more specific. ~Donna