why moslem must use the loudspeaker when they're praying ?
By malaekat2an
@malaekat2an (526)
Indonesia
January 27, 2007 11:50am CST
i live in indonesia, the most populous moslem country in the world. everyday around 4 am in the morning, they pray in the mosque with big loudspeaker turned on, and also around 6 pm everyday. They blocked every national tv show every 6 pm for showing 'adzan maghrib' prayer around 3-5 minutes.
Im not a moslem, but can you imagine that there's almost always able to find a mosque every 500 metres here in jakarta, and all of them almost at the same time are sounding their prayer with great loudspeaker that i can still hear them praying here on 23'th floor ? for moslem, why you must put loudspeaker on your mosque with such a loud sound ?
is it only here in indonesia ? or does every mosque around the world put big and loud soundsystem on them ?
is it also the same on countries where they're a minority ?
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(above are questions, not statements, please if there's any answer ... i'll give 'best response' at least a week after i post this questions/topic)
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@victorwzj (539)
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27 Jan 07
I am not expert or a Muslim in that matter but I do grow up in muslim country (malaysia). From what I know they required to pray 5 times a day. Some of the people might forget about the time while doing some important stuff. That is where the loudspeaker come in , it is suppose to notify the people that it is the time to pray and they pray at the place he stand. If he or she happen to be close to the mosque then he or she will of cause went to the mosque. If you see it in other angle the loudspeaker has similar function as a "bell" from the church. Just that the loudspeaker have more function. There are allot of people from surrounding area come to the mosque and sometimes depending on the time , the number does goes as high as 200-1000. it is obvious they will use a loudspeaker to conduct the prayer.
People that live far away mosque from the can pray in front of the TV and that the reason why they interrupt (cut) your "national TV" at 6. I guess it is the same in all Muslim country whether you are in indonesia or malaysia.
for your information the sound of the prayer that you heard is actually Arab language. When I still studying primary school , All the muslim have to study a subject call "muslim study" or something similar while all non-muslim study moral education. (Moral education consider one of the easier subject and that is the reason why I alway get an A for it). In the "muslim study" classes they will study arab language , prayer and other as well (which I not sure since I am not a muslim) .I do have quite a number of muslim student as close friend and that is the reason why I know this much. My friend had try to teach me arab language before but I couldn't understand their writing system let alone the arab language. Hope this answer your question.
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@malaekat2an (526)
• Indonesia
28 Jan 07
hmmm ... yes i know that the loudspeaker is used for calling almost similiar with bells on church.
that's answered some of my questions.
so it's necessary and inevitable for them ? *ugh* ... i must put some earplug then, since i don't understand arab language.
@victorwzj (539)
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28 Jan 07
I guess It didn't matter to me probably because I am already used to it. If you feel that the prayer bother you then you can move far away from the mosque. I know the mosque is everywhere but you can find a place that not too loud. You probably know this sound only travel certain distant and you can alway close the window. I know you can still hear it even you close the window but if you rich enough you can build a sound proof house or room ( you know the one for karaoke type or entertainment room) .
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@rein2410 (809)
• Australia
27 Jan 07
Firstly, In Indonesia, majority of people are moslem. Moslem have their time of prayer as you may know, 5 times a day, esspecially friday is the most important day like sunday for catholic. They use loud speaker to remind people that this is the time to pray and they should be praying as well even though they are not at mosque even though its preferable that people can come to mosque. In Australia, I hardly see any mosque and I never heard moslem people praying with loud speaker, and I guess there is none. moslem is just a minority here, and I really mean small minority. MOst people here are Christian and its so diffrent than Indonesia. I guess in Indonesia things like that cannot be helped since they are actually the majority. Most of the governments are moslem though there are not many people that actually practicing 5 times a day prayer.
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@ashumit02 (818)
• United States
28 Jan 07
This is tradition.one of my friend think
this as a new tradition as mike is developed recently while the relegion exist from many times.
@balasri (26537)
• India
28 Jan 07
It is not the loudness that disturbs.It is the the intention of making the presence felt rudely that disturbs.The intention is felt regardless of the decibels.It is a question of the frame of mind.You got to understand and try try to live with it by accepting or ignoring it.
@malaekat2an (526)
• Indonesia
28 Jan 07
well, you could read my feelings then, you describe it well ...
yupe, i guess i'll just ignored it ...
@smartnrich (1067)
• Malaysia
28 Jan 07
Good discussion.But one thing, as a human being in this world, we live together in the society, so we must respect each other . If we can respect our neighbour and friends regardless of their faith and race, they also will respect you.
@nooreldin (471)
• Kuwait
28 Jan 07
It is simple Azan is an announcement that its time for prayer! the announcement must be heard, thats the point of it , right? and for your information, this happens in all moslem countries, not only in Indonesia, and I said its an announcement that its time for prayer, five times aday.. it calls muslims to leave whatever they are doing, and get up if sleeping topray on time.. this has been going on since the time of prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) till our days,but back then, they didn't use loudspeakers, they stood over a high place and say it out loud! today, we have to use speakers to be heard with the size of cities, and the noises everywhere... the last thing I wanna say is that chritians too have their ways of announcing prayers by ringing bells of churches.. all these signs must be respected, cuz we muslims respect the bell ringing of churches, we expect non muslims to respect our Azan!! right???
@malaekat2an (526)
• Indonesia
29 Jan 07
nooreldin, im respecting that, like i've said before, if the intention of loudspeaker using is for a prayer calling, then i won't mind.
I feel offended if behind that things is a smooth way to ask non-moslem to pray, so if the intention is not that thing, then there's no problem with me.
about i don't like the sound, that's quite logic i think, let's analog that with circumstances when you like a certain type of songs, do i have to hear the songs that you like ?
all i can do is tolerate, im not destroying the mosque or asking you to stop calling for your brothers, but instead i have my own way to avoid hearing it (since im not moslem)
that's my way to tolerate others.
@ESKARENA1 (18261)
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28 Jan 07
I have travelled extensively in the middle east. Most often however i have travelled in Egypt and although the country has a secular government, the majority of its people are moslims. I have often heard the regular calls to prayer five times a day booming out from a mosque. I think it is common throughout the islamic world. Not being a moslim myself, im not sure why it happens but it has a strange beauty about it.
In the UK we have a growing moslim minority, but I have never heard it done here in the same way. Maybe it does in places where muslims are the majority, but i have not heard it
blessed be
@Neo_Knights (1882)
• Indonesia
28 Jan 07
In Indonesia, every maghrib (around 5 p.m) the TVs start to show the adzan. And I always turn the TV off or mute it.
One day I read the translation carefully, and suddenly I cried.
Why ? because I feel, how amazing these moslems stood tall and shout out loud their belief. "Let us pray, Let us pray. I believe that there's only on God, I believe that there's only one God. I believe that Mohammad is God's prophet, I believe that Mohammad is God's prophet." and so on.
I cried beecause I never chanted my believe that loud. I never dare. But I want to.
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@eflynazwa (133)
• Malaysia
28 Jan 07
The Adzan means the calling for our fellow moslem. It is not a prayer, but it is required to start a prayer. It is to call and remind them that it is time to pray. It repeats because human tends to forget. It is not obliged to use loudspeakers BUT due to technology we use it. Before the invention of loudspeakers, the Adzan was made from high places so that people can hear the call.
we must remember what prayer itself means, thankfulness and gratitude.
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@coffeechat (1961)
• New Zealand
28 Jan 07
SirPian and the Malaysians have made an interesting point about Malaysia - Their loudspeakers blare and the Hindu temple bells and Church bells peal out.
Calling the "Faithful to prayer" is a good thing. It is all very good to use loudspeakers in Islamic countries to break the silence of dawn... and four times thereafter. If you are a non-Muslim there is no recourse.
Before the advent of the loudspeaker, the Muzzein (the man who calls the Faithful to prayer) used to stand at the top of the minaret of the mosque and let go in full throated chant.
i cannot understand though why in Secular countries such as Nigeria, India and Ghana the Mossies are allowed to disturb the peace of the non-muslims 5 times a day with blaring loudspeakers. (It was a challenge to live in those countries with the loudspeakers blaring).
Fortunately in countries like Singapore, Hong Kong and the rest of the non-Islamic world - the use of loud-speakers requires special permits.
Perhaps one of the leading Muslim Mullahs or Ayatollahs need to take the sensitivity of population in countries where Moslems are allowed to live and prohibit the use of loudspeakers.
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@malaekat2an (526)
• Indonesia
29 Jan 07
very interesting information and comments, coffechat ... thanks
guess that they're doing everything for the greatness of their belief ...
i wonder do they realize that they're not alone in this world ? ... o_O?
@SirPyan (429)
• Malaysia
28 Jan 07
Here at my place, the State Mosque and a Hindu temple is nearby with each other just around 100m only. Whenever it is time for Maghrib prayer (at dusk), the Azan would be recited. And almost at the same time you will hear bell rings from the Hindu temple, probably to indicate something as well. And Muslims here don't find it as problem for that. Azan recital and Hindu temple's bell rings, both almost at the same time. Now I ask, where can you find such situation anywhere in this world? Mind you, this happens in an Islamic country.
@malaekat2an (526)
• Indonesia
28 Jan 07
here in jakarta, there's big mosque and cathedral build in nearby area (since the soekarno era, the first indonesian president) well .. i guess that kind of situation is good, when those two different religions can live along together side by side ...
then i'll buy some earplug or just ignored / tolerate that praying sounds ... (im hearing it again, right now, it's 3.45 pm here in jakarta) ...
*ugh* ...
@mari61960 (4893)
• United States
28 Jan 07
This is very interesting to me. I've seen indonesia on tv so I know what you are talking about. The funny thing is, my Uncle just went to indonesia at Christmas time. He met a girl and went to visit her and her family. He was just telling me how he would get woken up so early in the morning hearing the prayers. He was also telling me how there was a mosque on ever corner. I would be wearing ear plugs myself.
@malaekat2an (526)
• Indonesia
28 Jan 07
whew ... so at least i know that im not alone ... there's others that awake so early in the morning because of that ...
@ILANEDRI (1921)
• Israel
28 Jan 07
We have a lot of moslems here too, and we have the same problem.
Moslems pray 5 times a day I think, and they use loudspeaker, so if a moslem couldn't reach to the mosque, he can hear the pray.
Lucky my, we don't have moslems in our city because it's a jew country.
There is some cities of moslems and chrisians. Not mix cities.
@malaekat2an (526)
• Indonesia
28 Jan 07
hmm ... no wonder why they're lived on a separated cities ...
thanks for the information about the conditions there in israel, i really appreciate that
@ihsanul_aniq (1118)
• Malaysia
28 Jan 07
Actually this kind of question will touch some sensitivity while discuss on public especially here in the internet. It sure will give something to fanatics out there. So far as i know, we called moslem for Islam peoples. I think it is the same way as church do with the bell, for calling peoples now is the time for praying. Moslem have to pray 5 times per day, that means every mosque will "adzan" for call the peoples. With multi religous country, we should respect others since we want other to respect our. It just what the religions are.
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@malaekat2an (526)
• Indonesia
29 Jan 07
yeah, i know muhammadiyah and nahdatul ulama, as i am a non moslem, i prefer nahdatul ulama, they put such a big tolerance for others, i like GusDur way on often having dialoque with other religions.
8 mosque in 1 kilometres ? O_O! ... can't imagine it when it comes to 'adzan' time ... whew ...
@Neo_Knights (1882)
• Indonesia
28 Jan 07
If this may help, I can explain why this adzan became so "bother".
In Indonesia, Islam devided into 2 major group. One is Nadhlatul Ulama and the second is Muhammadiyah. Beyond these two group, there are many smaller group.
With their different agenda, I don't know why these moslem people have to build different mosque. So, there are many chance in one kampung or street built 2 mosques.
In my city, Surabaya, there's a medium sized road, around 1 kilometer long. On one side of the main road built more than 8 mosques. Not mention the mosques in the other side or in the alley.
If you live in that road, at Adzan time is like putting the loud speaker inside your own house.
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@azln66 (61)
• Malaysia
28 Jan 07
Thank you for your question. I hope that i wont be to emotional when answering your quest.Islam is religion that taught his devotees to respect other religions. It also restricted his devotees not to talk bad about other religions. If the devotees really understand the lesson taught by the holy Quran, InsyaAllah, more people will like to learn about it. Regarding the adzan, it is the `syiar' to Islam. The `Qalam' in the adzan is a `holy word' to call all the muslims for prayer.The `azan' is a also a medicine to all the muslims who forget about the creators to their soul.i know most of the non muslim will not be comfortable about it especially early in the morning.But one day, i really hope that Allah will guide you if you really want to know more about the secret of adzan
@malaekat2an (526)
• Indonesia
29 Jan 07
and i thank you for not being emotional, also for the information from your point of view.
Im not interested to know more about the secret of adzan, just courious about why they're doing that with loudspeaker, and wether it's necessary.
Hopefully, God will also guide and bless you always ...
@trinidadvelasco (11401)
• Philippines
28 Jan 07
It is a custom among muslims to use loudspeaker when they pray. I do not understand that, too. But, seemingly, this habit of theirs is being tolerated throughout the world where their presence may be found, whether they are majority or minority does not appear to matter. Definitely, they are a minority in my country.
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@malaekat2an (526)
• Indonesia
28 Jan 07
well, from what i've read on this discussion, i begin to understand a little bit about their (moslem) point of view ... tolerated ? ... yeah, no matter on what position, minority or majority, they must be tolerated.
thus that way peace and understanding may be formed ...
*sigh*
@desiplaya2563 (76)
• Canada
28 Jan 07
It is NOT necessary to use loudspeakers when calling Muslims towards prayer. We all know that loudspeakers are a 20th century invention, and before the loudspeakers, the Muezzin used to stand in the Minaret to call Muslims towards prayer. However, today, because of technology, Muslims use loudspeakers even though it is not obligatory. However, if a non-Muslim feels that is too disturbing, they should listen to it and try to understand what the Muezzin is saying. It is basically calling people towards God, and I think non-Muslims should have no problem with that. Also, a lot of Christian Churches sound their bells. I want you to tell me, does bells ringing loudly sound better, of the beautiful voice of a Muezzin calling people towards success sounds better?
@malaekat2an (526)
• Indonesia
28 Jan 07
so that's not an obligatory ? ... interesting ...
i've read the translation on 'national tv' about what they're sounding of.
Christians church sounding it's bell ? yeah, i notice it that some church sounding it's bell every 6 am for daily mass and every week 30 minutes before the mass begin.
From your point of view, the muezzin voice sound better, i respect that, but from my point of view, bells ringing are better and more polite for others.
it's probably just like when you prefer to hear 'heavy metal' songs, while i prefer to hear 'instrumental' songs, just a matter of taste i guess ?
@Neo_Knights (1882)
• Indonesia
28 Jan 07
I don't know in your Christian belief, but in Catholics the bell rings every 6 a.m, 12 p.m, 6 p.m and 12 a.m. Because there is a prayer "Malaikat Tuhan" or "Angel of God" that should be chanted every six hour.
On Weekend, the bell rings not 30 minutes before masses, but the exact time as the mass prossesion begins. This one meant to inform the people that the mass has begin, and for those whose late, please hurry up.
Maybe your reference that the bell rings 30 minutes before the mass is when you attended the 18.30 mass.
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@Neo_Knights (1882)
• Indonesia
28 Jan 07
Yo, I' a catholic. I asked the same question to my moslem friend some times ago.
The culture of using loud speakers was taken from the Persian merchant which landed and bring Islam to Indonesia around year of 1200. You will find similar culture in Turkey, Iraq, Iran, most of them in Middle East.
The loud speaker is used to announce Adzan, which is the calling of prayer.
If you mind see the text written in Indonesian TV during Maghrib, you will see the sentence "Marilah sholat" or "Marilah Sembahyang". The calling chanted 2 times to ask people to pray.
The next sentence is chanting the believe "Aku bersaksi Tiada Tuhan selain Allah", "Aku bersaksi bahwa Muhammad adalah Rasul Allah". The words chanted to remind people, at least to admit their faith.
It's like saying "C'mon, Do you still belive in Allah ? Do You admit Mohammad ? then let's Shalat"
One thing mistaken by Indonesian people, is that mosque has to use onion-type roof.
Onion-type roof once again only built in Middle East.
Well actually it cam from Turkey. And Turkey adapted from.... Russia !
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@SirPyan (429)
• Malaysia
28 Jan 07
No problem with that. I probably need to ask, did they allowed the Church to ring their bells there in Indonesia? And from what I've read, at some places in Jakarta, the Hindu followers and the Muslims "share" their prayers location by taking turns on schedule due to space matter, so you might found idols in mosque and such. Is that correct?
@malaekat2an (526)
• Indonesia
28 Jan 07
hmm ? never heard of that, hindu and moslem share the same place ?
jakarta is a very big city, 14 million people lives here.
I can still hear the church bells ringing on semarang city, but here i rarely hear that (possibly because that there's no church near my place)
@malaekat2an (526)
• Indonesia
28 Jan 07
yea, i found many onion-type building here, and each of them are built with loudspeaker on it.
What if im not having the same faith as them ? yet still they're asking everybody to do 'shalat' (prayer?)
hmm .. since that's their faith, and they're believed that what they're doing is a good things (to call people to do prayer and go for Allah) i guess i could try to understand them
but what if ... im doing the same ? ringing the bell of my church and put loudspeaker on it, then ask people to worship God (Trinity) ? ...
@suchetan230044 (618)
• India
28 Jan 07
in india there are mosques and they pray with their loudspeaker...it ok.but in hindu religion also we do"ashtaparhar"where we pray to god non-stop for 8days.if someone stops other has to take it from him and you cannot stop.all the prayers are through loud speakers 24 hours a day for 8days.in temples also we play devotional songs and prayers every morning and evening...so it upto people how they accept.it doesnot matter if you like it or it is the way religionius that we remind people of praying and spread to the people prayers to god through loudspeaker.in christianity it may not be allowed.but in hindu religion it is allowed and also in islam.this is the rule that to spread the prayer use every resources and it may not be in your religion.thanks
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@maru_047in (1007)
• India
28 Jan 07
We leave in india, Bangalore and The prayer of muslim was there in our city also before but now after a long quarrel saying that we work in the night and you people make us wake early in the morning and it ll b disturbing us so from that time they go for prayer but they ll not switch on the loud speaker for us it is very good and for their religion it is good and for us our things are good.
@pooksywooksy (1006)
• Indonesia
28 Jan 07
I could relate to this. lol
When I was in Indonesia, I've got waken up by the loud's voice of the person from the mosque asking for people to wake up and pray. Even the rooster in front of my house could wake me up, so you could imagine how that loudspeaker was really bothering me at first. But then, thank GOD, after 4 days getting used to it, I could still sleep without any problem. (btw, we got rid of the rooster, because I complained to my parents since it made to many noises, a 35 million RP rooster! hahhaa).
When I lived in Bahrain, I never even once hear any such a loud voice from a speaker in the mosque when it's time for the people to pray. I saw some mosques, and there was a big one close by where I lived, but strange enough, I never heard any noise!
So, I have no idea, if the loudspeaker is a must or it's just an optional thing in a mosque. But I do think, the loudness, it's sometimes overrated.
@stephcjh (38473)
• United States
28 Jan 07
Hi. I live in the United States and the only sounds that I have ever heard from a place of worship, is a bell chiming. I think to eah their own on religion but I do know where your coming from. Everyone needs to express their religions in their own way and not make it a nuisance or disturbane to everyone else around them. It is fine to express your faith, but I thin it needs to be doen respectfully among others.
@cerium (689)
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28 Jan 07
I am a Muslim. I live in Egypt. Muslims are the majority here with christians about 10% of the population. Here you can hear Azan and church's bells. They are equally loud, but mosques may seem louder because they are more.
As to your question, it's not obligatory at all to use a loud speaker. Actually, during prayers, loud speakers should not be used at all. It is used here only for azan (the call of prayers). Guess what, I sometimes also gets annoyed by the sound of five or six mosques calling for prayers at the same time with different tones. In fact last year, there was a discussion through out the country to unify the call of prayer in all mosques. The project was dismissed for technical problems.
In the days of the prophet, the man with the best voice (he was called Bilal) was chosen to make the call. Nowadays, I can hear people with the most awful voices calling for prayers. Some of them also seems to be turning the volume at the maximum (that's propably due to ignorance). I think a standard volume (which is not so high or so low) for all worship places through out the country will be the best solution.
As for the objective of the "azan" itself, it's just to call fellow Muslims for prayers. It has nothing to do with asking non muslims to pray. As for the TV, here we have 2 national channels. The first one brings the whole azan, while the other one brings a notification.
I ca understand what you feel about this subject, but I am thinking that you are somewhat over reacting. It's just 5 times a day and it doesn't take that long. I've been hearing the church's bells here and abroad many times and I never felt offended or feel the need for an ear plug. Just let it go and you'll find that it's not that annoying.
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@Mazna123 (65)
• India
28 Jan 07
Muslims pray 5 times a day....if u r a muslim u hve to pray these. when its time to pray the man in charge who is called molana he will give an azan which calls out to all muslim borthers and says that leave what work u r doin and come and pray together and recite god is great allah is great. it happens not only in indonesia it happens in mecca and madina. it also happens in pakistan,india. in other contries there are mosques but not as many as there are in indonesia. but where there will be mosque there will be azan i.e on loud speakers callin out to people to pray.
we all have busy life azan just has one motive to call out to people and say that leave what work you are doin for few minutes and remember god thank him that u r alive today thank him for the food he u have and thank him for all the things u have and millions across the world dont. pray to him for urself and pray to him for others and also for world peace.
the only reason for loud speakers is to call out to people to come and join in the prayers for god. its not about the question of minority or anything its just that if there is mosque there will be azan on loud speakers it happens every where across the globe.
i m from india i hve visisted mecca madina pakistan i got an uncle who is usa so i knw abt it...it just happens everywhere. its the way muslims pray and invite others to pray.