Do you think George W. Bush should be impeached.
By IBrutus
@IBrutus (45)
United States
January 29, 2007 12:42am CST
I answer that with a resounding yes. He lied about Iraq'a weapons of mass destruction and lied about its ties to Al-Qaida.
He deliberately broke the law by ordering warrantless wire tapping and holding American citizens in prison without benefit of trial or access to lawyers.
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@MrNiceGuy (4141)
• United States
29 Jan 07
Almost all of those being held are not US citizens.
The wiretapping isn't actually wiretapping, it monitors phone call information, not conversations and has been upheld by the courts since it technically doesn't break any laws.
Iraq did have ties to Al Queda, many meetings took place between the two and money has exchanged hands in the past.
I don't agree with you on WMD's either, but w/e.
Heres something i have posted before about the wiretaps:
A recent report on "wiretapping" from USA Today revealed more about the Bush administration and the NSA call logging. Remember a few months ago some reporters (who later won the Pulitzer Prize) revealed that after 9/11/2001 the NSA began allegedly listening to citizens phone conversations.
Quote:
Originally Posted by CNN: Bush says U.S. not 'trolling through personal lives'
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush said Thursday the government is "not mining or trolling through the personal lives of millions of innocent Americans" with a reported program to create a massive database of U.S. phone calls.
"Our efforts are focused on links to al Qaeda and their known affiliates," Bush said. "The privacy of ordinary Americans is fiercely protected in all our activities."
Bush was responding to a USA Today report Thursday that three telecommunication firms provided the National Security Agency with domestic telephone call records from millions of Americans beginning shortly after the attacks on September 11, 2001. (Read what the reporter who broke the story says)
Bush did not specifically mention the newspaper's report. (Transcript of Bush's statement)
In response to the USA Today article, NSA spokesman Don Weber issued a statement saying, "Given the nature of the work we do, it would be irresponsible to comment on actual or alleged operational issues; therefore, we have no information to provide.
"However, it is important to note that NSA takes its legal responsibilities seriously and operates within the law." (Watch Bush on "what the government is doing" -- 2:24)
Lawmakers concerned
Members of Congress expressed concern Thursday about the report. (Watch angry senator say "Shame on us" -- 3:56)
"It's our government, government of every single American -- Republican, Democrat or independent," said Sen. Patrick Leahy of Vermont, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee. "...Those entrusted with great power have a duty to answer to Americans what they are doing."
However, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tennessee, told reporters he "strongly" agrees with Bush, and said, "We'll discuss whether hearings are necessary."
The president said in his statement that the intelligence activities he authorized "are lawful and have been briefed to appropriate members of Congress, both Republican and Democrat."
Conservatives defend program
However, during a morning session, Republican members of the committee defended the legality and necessity of such a database.
The USA Today report said the program did not involve the NSA "listening to or recording conversations," a point that Sen. Jeff Sessions touched on.
"No recordings and no conversations were intercepted here, so there was no wiretapping here," Sessions said.
"The president after 9/11 told the American people he was going to use the powers given to him to protect this country. ... It's not a warrantless wiretapping of the American people."
Republican Sen. Jon Kyl of Arizona also faulted the revelation of the program as harmful to national security.
"This is nuts," Kyl said. "We are in a war and we've go to collect intelligence on the enemy and you can't tell the enemy in advance how you are going to do it. And discussing all of this in public leads to that."
But Leahy, a vocal critic of the wiretapping program, praised the USA Today report, saying "it's a sorry state" that the committee will have to call on the telecom companies for the information.
So the program isn't listening to citizens phone calls. It is monitoring when a number calls another number in a different (usually suspect) countries. The database is allegedly stored with the NSA and no conversations are actually recorded.
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Originally Posted by MSNBC: Bush defends spying after NSA database report
WASHINGTON - Following a report that the U.S. agency in charge of a domestic spying program is building a database of every phone call made in the country, President Bush on Thursday told the nation from the White House that all anti-terrorism efforts are within the law.
Facing new concerns in Congress, President Bush referred to the report but did not confirm or deny it and instead sought to assure Americans that their privacy is being “fiercely protected.”
“We are not mining or trolling through the personal lives of innocent Americans,” Bush said before leaving for a commencement address at Mississippi Gulf Coast Community College in Biloxi. “Our efforts are focused on links to al-Qaida and their known affiliates."
Gen. Michael Hayden, in line to be director of the Central Intelligence Agency, downplayed fears of abuse. "Everything that NSA does is lawful and very carefully done. And ... the appropriate members of the Congress, House and Senate, are briefed on all NSA activities. And I think I'll just leave it at that."
Hayden, who headed the NSA from 1999 to 2005, made his comments Thursday on Capitol Hill after a meeting with Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., the assistant Senate majority leader.
Hayden vowed to do everything in his power to fight terrorism, and “we will do so within the laws of our country.”
USA Today reports on NSA database
USA Today reported Thursday that the National Security Agency has been building up the database using records provided by three major phone companies — AT&T Inc., Verizon Communications Inc. and BellSouth Corp. — but that the program “does not involve the NSA listening to or recording conversations.”
Instead it documents who talks to whom in personal and business calls, whether local or long distance, by tracking which numbers are called, the newspaper said.
USA Today said its sources for the story were “people with direct knowledge of the arrangement,” but it did not give their names or describe their affiliation.
Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., argued that the program “is not a warrantless wiretapping of the American people. I don’t think this action is nearly as troublesome as being made out here, because they are not tapping our phones.”
'Largest database ever'
The existence of an NSA eavesdropping program launched after the Sept. 11 attacks was revealed in December.
Defending the controversial program, Bush and his administration officials have said it aims to uncover links between international terrorists and their domestic collaborators and only targets communications between a person inside the United States and a person overseas.
But USA Today reported that calls originating and terminating within the United States have not escaped the NSA’s attention.
“It’s the largest database ever assembled in the world,” the paper quoted one source as saying. The agency’s goal is “to create a database of every call ever made” within U.S. borders, it said the source added.
The NSA has “access to records of billions of domestic calls,” USA Today said. Although customers’ names and addresses are not being handed over, “the phone numbers the NSA collects can easily be cross-checked with other databases to obtain that information,” it said.
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Now we have to remember when we talk about the "legality" of these programs under the Constitution that we have NO RIGHT TO PRIVACY given in the entire Constitution. It's just not in there. The closest thing is the implicit right that our other rights can't be compromised.
So basically, it is unconstitutional when evidence from these logs is used (without a warrant, which will most likely be obtained before they are used in court) to violate unreasonable search and seisure or other criminal rights of a US citizen. Which just isn't happening and probably won't.
Not to mention that you shouldn't worry unless you're a terrorist.
@minerc (1373)
• United States
29 Jan 07
I do disagree with you, I guess mainly because I look at it this way, If what you say is true I would rather him make those decision's and not be right than not make those decisions and be wrong (With More American deaths). The US had just been attacked he was trying to protect our country. Look it's not alway's pretty. I am not being mean I am just stating my Opinion so please no one get offended.