Helping the poor

@sigma77 (5383)
United States
January 30, 2007 4:27pm CST
Lets say I am rich and that I wanted to help the poor. I want to help 1 million people or families. I would give them each $1,000 a month for 12 months for the next 3 years. That comes to a total of $3.6 billion. Do you think this is going to make a difference? Will the poor receiving this money be helped? Will they be self supporting 3 years from now? I see complaints about the rich not doing enough to help others. Do you understand how just giving them money (from the rich or from the government)will not work unless they can be given a means to earn on their own? Any thoughts?
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@omidmao (743)
• India
30 Jan 07
i agree with u , u r right ,, anyway it was really nice and cool discussion , i really like this type of discussion , so i gave u + for this , have good time , thanks and good luck
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@sigma77 (5383)
• United States
31 Jan 07
Thanks for your words. There has to be a way to help the poor by empowering them to help themselves.
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@camille101 (1025)
• United Arab Emirates
30 Jan 07
There's always an old saying that "the best way to help a person is not to give him fish but teach him how to fish". I used to hear this from my bereaved father when I was a littke kid. And I believed it is the best thing anyone can do in desiring to help other people. This concept can be compared to a parent-kid relationship. A parent normally strives to give his son the best education there is to prepare him and strengthen him with skills and abilities needed to survive in the future when time comes that his father couldn't support him anymore. Therefore I conclude, those rich people who desire to help the needy must put their resources in developing their (poor people) skills inorder for them to support themselves.
@sigma77 (5383)
• United States
31 Jan 07
Excellent analogy. Those are my feelings. I was wondering if anybody would mention the idea of fishing. That is the solution , I believe.
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• India
31 Jan 07
yes its right
@rusty2rusty (6763)
• Defiance, Ohio
31 Jan 07
I think it is a great idea to give money and help the poor. But I would do it a little differently. I would make it where the people would have to either invest a certain percent of the money. Either by putting in in a saving account each month, buying bank Cd's with it or investing in the stock market. If they don't. They loose the money and the money could be given to someone else. That way at the end of three years. They should have more money than what they started with and was given. They would also learn the meaning of saving. If they done it right. They people would learn a valueable lesson in saving money and investing the money to watch it grow. Hopefully they would continue to do what they were taught.
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• Defiance, Ohio
2 Feb 07
Thank you. I do know 1000 bucks isn't much in the USA. But it was more than they had before. So they should be able to save something from it. I am not sure what percent. I am all for sharing. But teaching a lesson in the process is something you can't put a price on.
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@sigma77 (5383)
• United States
31 Jan 07
No doubt, those are some great ideas. Here in the US, $1,000 wouldn't go very far if it was your only income. I don't know to what extent they would be able to save it. You have the right idea about making them accountable for using it. Thanks
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• United States
31 Jan 07
I would say to this....help them one year and if they would not try to find a job or some kind of income than you should not continue helping them after that year is up..as for money from the goverment such as disability they do not give enough to really make ends meet because when you think that you are going to have enough money save from one month to the next you never have enough left.the goverment gives you the increase..the goverment than raises every thing so actually you are not gaining anything.The Bible also says that you will recieve back 10 folds when helping others,I hope I am correct on that
@sigma77 (5383)
• United States
31 Jan 07
That idea might work. That is true about giving and receiving. Thanks.
@sigma77 (5383)
• United States
31 Jan 07
Thanks for that example. Having them sign some accountability form might give them some incentives.
• United States
31 Jan 07
I'd make them sign a commitment saying that they will be working somewhere within the year. There are a lot of people that with a little extra help, could put their children in quality day care and still be able to afford to work. With escalating daycare cost, I actually spent almost as much on day care as I made. When I quit working and my husband worked, we never missed my income. That was 21 years ago and I made 9 dollars an hour.
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@Indiffer (287)
• Norway
15 Mar 07
I like the thing with micro-credit. They lend out a small amount of money, enough to start a little business. I think they pay back the original, or very close to the original amount of money over time. Many has been helped that way. There is no use just giving out money. There has to be a reason behind it, or a goal. Help to help yourself. Some info, i made it a tiny url because im unable to copy paste in here. http://tinyurl.com/264cu2
@sigma77 (5383)
• United States
15 Mar 07
That makes sense. There has to be a definite purpose for the money. Thanks
@AnnaB87 (761)
• United States
15 Mar 07
Giving someone money does not help them at all in the long run it can even himder them and set them back. It is better to teach someone how to earn money and to live frugally. Throwing money at problems is a short term fix and not a long term solution..
@sigma77 (5383)
• United States
15 Mar 07
I agree with you. Handouts for the sake of handouts don't change anything. Thanks
@ossie16d (11821)
• Australia
1 Feb 07
If I had enough money to do something like this, I would do it a little bit differently. Firstly I would not give money to anyone because in many instances they would not really appreciate it, although of course some would. Instead the money would be better spent ensuring they had enough to eat, i.e. they are given food. Along with the food they would also be taught how to make nutritious meals out of basic food stuffs. If they are already able to do that, then they should get something extra but in return they should be teaching others how to cook in the same way. Some will need to learn how to budget, so see that they learn this and again if someone who is good at budgeting but has simply fallen on hard times because of bad luck or ill health, then they can help others learn how to do things. Make it some sort of barter system, because everyone has a talent for something. So yes they can have food, fuel, utilities paid for but in return them must also share their knowledge with others. Then if after 12 months it appears that they are willing to help themselves, I might consider making a low interest loan to each and everyone of them. The interest can be as little as 0.5% but it will also teach them that nothing comes for free and in many cases that will also give them self-confidence and the incentive to better themselves. I am a strong believer in encouraging people to help themselves, but in many instances they do need to learn to do this. I also believe in the barter system, which is where people trade their skills with others who might have a skill they can utilise. Nobody likes to be beholden to any other person and it is also unfortunate that some greedy lazy people would consider that it is their "right" to be given something for nothing.
@sigma77 (5383)
• United States
1 Feb 07
You have given this some expert thought. The process you descibe sounds like it would work. I have read many great ideas along similar lines of thinking. If we, here on this site can figure it out, why can't the people with the real power get it right? What are we missing? I can't argue with anything you have said. Maybe someday, some of us will find a way to make it happen. Thanks.
• United States
31 Jan 07
Man, if someone gave me $1000 a month for 3 years I would die right then. It would totally help us and get us out of debt. We wouldn't have to worry about having money to pay our credit card debt or buy food (usually the credit cards win out and we but the groceries with the credit card--crazy, I know). I always tell my husband I wouldn't want to win millions of dollars from the lottery--just $50,000 would be awesome. Enough to pay our debt and get us on our feet. I can see how some people would just sit back and waste the money. I know we wouldn't. My husband would still work and the extra money would pay all our debt and would be saved for a house. Heck we would probably only need 2 years of it.
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@sigma77 (5383)
• United States
31 Jan 07
Thanks for your comments. For some it would help them do some great things, and for others, it would barely be a means of survival. If you want that $50,000, keep thinking about having it and how much you deserve it. Prosperity is available to all.
• United States
2 Feb 07
Personally, I think the poor need to be educated. I would spend the money to help them get a trade, and also, temporarily, help meet their needs. Then they can go out on their own and become independent.
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@sigma77 (5383)
• United States
2 Feb 07
Education might go a long way towards changing their situation. Thanks.
• Nigeria
31 Jan 07
IT does make you feel better but ideally you are giving someone who is struggling a hand up. Sometimes someone just needs a break - a little help (due to all sorts of reasons). Could you imagine not having money to eat (or not being able to feed your child)? Not being able to stay warm? I haven't had to struggle with these things myself and I'm grateful. Treating someone with compassion is always a good thing
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@sigma77 (5383)
• United States
31 Jan 07
I agree, sometimes just a little help is all a motivated person needs to improve their fortune immensely. Thanks.
@msbyte (219)
• United States
2 Feb 07
Help those that cannot help themselves. Elderly living on a fixed income, bring them food for lunch or dinner each day. Help children in orphanages or in state sponsored learning centers, go pick some out that have no clean clothes and buy them some clothes, basics that will last. Help a family life center that gives free pregnancy test. We have one in our town they even give diapers and clothes to the young mothers that come in so the moms are not forced into making a decision based on monetary problems. Giving money to able bodied people just keeps them lazy and with an entitlement attitude. It's all about "you owe me". My family is immigrants and they only one we have ever relied on is God. The goodness of other people has been a blessing, but I know it was never OWED to me. shalom.
@sigma77 (5383)
• United States
2 Feb 07
Thank you for your views. There are so many places where you can give money to help those in need. You are right, we don't need anymore of the entitlement attitude.
@godsangel (105)
• United States
2 Feb 07
yes you can give a man a fish and he will eat that night or you can teach a man to fish and he will eat forever. but someone has to take the time to teach. whether its help 1 homless person get off the street and show them how to stay off or take a family shopping and show them how to budget. but i beleive god wants us all to help
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@sigma77 (5383)
• United States
2 Feb 07
Thanks. God does want everyone to be prosperous and self-sufficient.
@onabreak2 (1161)
• United States
31 Jan 07
Yes it would help them. Depending on how poor they were any amount of money would help them and make a difference. Maybe some of them would be self supporting and some not. It would be like tossing a coin. Depending on where they were living they might find it tight living on 1,000
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@sigma77 (5383)
• United States
31 Jan 07
Yes, it would depend on where you were living. Some people would no doubt be creative and find a way out of there poor situation. And, others would squander the money and never be able to find a way to improve their conditions. Thanks.
@ractims (51)
• India
15 Mar 07
Poverty is wide spread in many countries. International organisations are trying to help through various projects but still its not making much of difference to the the natives. Its becaause the Governmental Agencies are not doing their jobs with proper sincerity. Any area can be picked up and one or two NGOs must be identified. They should be given proper guidelines for improving the means of regular incomes in the identified area.The ralated projects must be identified. The NGOs should be made to submit the reports to Sponsoring individuals/Organisations. The local Governments should be kept informed but their involvement shoud be kept at bare minimum. The basic idea of such projects should be to make the natives - Self-sufficient.
@sigma77 (5383)
• United States
15 Mar 07
I have a difficulttime believing that any government can fix any problem, especially this one. Governments on average are highly inefficient. Thanks.
• United States
31 Jan 07
Giving them money monthly for 12 months in 3 years by $1,000 I hope they will see it as a help and not a pension and will finally make them help themselves. But the problem of most people who are in not so comfortable lifestyle is they are ussually lay back and lazy or no determination of making their lies better. They just want to live their lives as of now. No future plans and they intend to over enjoyed what they have now. I am talking about the majority of them. After 3 years, when the help stop, they ussually gets angry and blaim the source of the help. The reality is you can hardly make a difference in that way, maybe in ways of giving them opportunity to work, to make them feel they are responsible of their lives. If they do they will be thankful you have given them opportunities.
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@sigma77 (5383)
• United States
31 Jan 07
You make a great point. After the help is used up in 3 years, they will become angry with the loss of the handout. I agree, a better use would be to create jobs and free enterprise.
@VickiB (48)
• United States
31 Jan 07
Well, first of all, that would be extremely generous. However, I do see your point. For it to work, there would need to be other actions made such as financial counseling, time management assistance, job search assistance and education assistance. It also depends on the level of "poor" you are talking about. If the person made nothing else, that money would not be much (although better than nothing) unless it was used to get them back up in the working world. I know of one person close to me that it would hugely benefit, and she is not working right now. Only because she has no way of transportation and many other factors. If it were given to a family on "low income", say 25,000-30,000 total household income, it could make a substantial difference. I say this because these households typically know how to handle some basic finances, and probably have a home and obviously a job of some kind. The extra money could assist them in furthering their education to make more money, put towards savings or current debts to decrease their monthly bills, etc. Again, without another source of income that they personally earn, it would not be a big difference, I agree. I do not approve of people that are perfectly capable of working, but simply do not for whatever reason. My aunt was one of those people, she could work but chose to live off assistance and the hand outs of the government and others. I got so mad, because it hurt the people who actually use the help to grow! I have had some help, be it a small amount, and I have taken it and flourished pretty well. I am not by any means "well off" but I am only 24. I am about to graduate college this June, I was a single mom of 3 until 2 months ago, when I married my wonderful husband. I am a proud homeowner now, and I hold a great job. I did this myself, with some assistance for sure. That extra $1000 a month would have helped me out a lot sooner though, and could have prevented some of the harder things that happened in my life due to finances. Nice topic!
@sigma77 (5383)
• United States
31 Jan 07
Thanks for that story. I am happy to see you are now flourishing and will graduate from college. You say some important things. The money would help others in ways that could get them "over the hump" or keep them from falling behind. The real poor would probably use the money for basics. And those better off could use the money to improve there future possibilities. Great distinction.
31 Jan 07
If i was in a wealthy postion with money. (enough to share) i think i'd prefer to give to my friend, who i know would use it wisely instead of helping wino etc. i would offer a place for some to stay so they was safe etc and away from the cold. honestly i'd only help those who i can trust and know they'll use it and not waste it on pointless things. ~Joey
31 Jan 07
I agree we should help the poor, but to what lengths do we go to? I feel for those who generally suffer in life but by helping the poor is it just another excuse for lazy people to sit on their arses and take hand outs wothout bothering to help themselves!! It's a hard debate
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@sigma77 (5383)
• United States
31 Jan 07
It is a difficult decision. In the long run, I feel it would be better to somehow empower the poor to improve their sutuation by their own doings, with some assistance, of course.
@Sasselle (698)
• Australia
31 Jan 07
You haven't said if it was helping the poor in a Western country or a Third World one. I think if it was in a Western one that it wouldn't help at all - people would just buy a load of junk with it and just consider it free money. I think third world countries could benefit from it providing that there are things that they could buy. From what I've read about with Africian countries mainly - yes they are poor but even if they had a stack of cash they couldn't do much with it as there is nothing in their country that they could buy to make life easier. You'd be better off providing goods or services for the poor rather than giving them the cash.
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@sigma77 (5383)
• United States
31 Jan 07
That is a great point. $1,000 means something different in other parts of the world. I was basically thinking of the poor in the US. Thanks.
• Romania
31 Jan 07
to overcome poverty we will have to eradicate the cause of it,not his effects. if you really wanna help poor people then offer them a "future". a future means a way to earn themself money enough to have a nice life, offer them the posibility to have a job. make invesstements in the economy of the region where they live. your solution is only for a short period, making theirs future means a solution for entire life.
@sigma77 (5383)
• United States
31 Jan 07
Ok, I agree. That is what I hope to get across. That justing giving handouts will do little to help in the long run. The solution has to be a long term one.