Initial Gaseous Mass before creation of galaxies

India
February 3, 2007 3:45pm CST
Scientists agree that b4 the galaxies in the universe were formed, celestial matters was initially in the form of gaseous matter. in short huge gaseous matter or 'smoke' were present b4 the formation of galaxies. "Moreover, He comprehended in His Design the sky, and it has been [as] SMOKE: He said to it and to the earth:'come ye together willingly or unwillingly' they said: we do come in willing obedience." [Al-Qu'ran 41:11] How Mohammad, an illiterate know this fact 1400 years ago??
4 responses
@jricbt (1454)
• Brazil
4 Feb 07
First, please share with us the scientific evidence to support your claims. Second, it is so funny as people go to their holy books and interpret them the way they think it is best to mold and adapt them to science AND use it to justify their fate. Smoke is one thing. Gaseous matter is another thing. Why did Mohammad (wasn´t Muhammad the correct spelling?) didn't wrote matter that is gaseous instead of smoke? Your faith should be enough for you, if you believe you don't need science , ANY part of it.
• India
5 Feb 07
Huge Gaseous matter or clouds were present before the formation of the galaxies. to describe initial celestial matter, the word 'smoke' is more appropriate than gas. U asked for Scientific Proof... read below verse: "It is GOD who created the Night and the Day, and the sun and the moon: All the celestial bodies move along, each in its rounded course."[Al-Qu'ran 21:33] Do u know modern science recently discovered that Sun also rotates. even when i was in school, I was taught tat Sun is stationary.
@jricbt (1454)
• Brazil
5 Feb 07
Do you know what smoke is? I will quote wikipedia : Smoke is a suspension in air (aerosol) of small particles resulting from incomplete combustion of a fuel Gaseous matter is another thing, entirely, gas would be more apropriate than smoke. When we speak about matter that formed galaxies, it is not the produtct of incomplete combustion. And a verse from a supposedly holy Book IS NOT scientific evidence. Please put one thing in your head, and here again I quote wikipedia Scientific evidence is evidence which serves to either support or counter a scientific theorem or hypothesis. Such evidence is expected to be empirical and properly documented in accordance with scientific method such as is applicable to the particular field of inquiry. Standards for evidence may vary according to whether the field of inquiry is among the natural sciences or social sciences. This is scientific evidence, bibles and qu'rans are NOT! If you want to believe, okay. If your faith is weak and you need to search true scientific discoveries and manipulate them to fit your views of the world, okay too. When you come and claim that it is scientific and confirms your faith, then you must prove your points of view, scientifically, if you are in the arena of science you play be its rules, not yours religious ones. And even if I would accept your verse from a supposedly holy book, it is not even about what I wrote. And what the **** does the rotation of the sun have with your argument? Science is not dogmatic, religion is dogmatic. Science changes. And it is know from since 1915, if I am not mistaken that the solar hemispheres rotate differently. So, sorry for your school (altough I think that it is you that didn't pay attention to class).
• India
5 Feb 07
dear friend, I can understand ur stand point, Im not trying to use scripture to show compatibilities and then accept it to be the true word of GOD, i dont need science to shed light on my religion so to hve strong faith. Its just that I was a student of Christian school, where they always slandered my religion or at times they tried to convert me to a protestant. so to defend and to know more about religion, i studied both Bible and Quran, I found many contraditions and scietific errors in Bible whereas I didnt find any in Qu'ran, Often it was so easy for my Christian friends to Blame Muhammad saying he was an Impostor, he stole stories n other major parts from Bible so I was sharing some minute things which we wound error free in Qu'ran . and to ask, if he copied then where the errors??? and let me tell u... Qu'ran is not the book of SCIENCE its a book of SIGNS [proofs / Evidences] some may need 1 proof to accept the truth, some need 100, and some do not believe even after 1000 signs.
• India
4 Feb 07
rite why going so deep dont take tension
• India
4 Feb 07
greetings friend, im not taking tension, im happy to see this findings in Qu'ran, im juz trying to expose this to the masses who don't know what is all about in Islam... many have misconception tat Qu'ran also has fallacy and mistakes as other religious scriptures.
@manong05 (5027)
• Philippines
5 Feb 07
I'm trying to figure out what you are saying in your post. Here is what I understood them to be followed by my reactions. Scientists agree that........This is an agreement on conjectures and can not be translated nor reduced into simple scientific statements that are objectively verifiable. I understand your concern to make your Book relevant in todays world and use science to give light in some of it's contents and teachings. This is what some Christians are doing to the Bible too. My only concern is, in our attempt to do such interpretations, we should be able to draw the line between what are "express declarations in the Book" and what are "inferences, valid or otherwise" It is clear to me just by reading your post your are using "inferences and subjective implications" When I see a Christian doing that to the Bible, I often say, The Bible does not need anyone to defend her, let it speak for herself. Let's avoid reading something into it and instead read something out of it.
@urbandekay (18278)
6 Feb 07
Smoke is not gas, in fact it is a colloidal suspension. Note also that this gaseous matter caused the formation of the galaxies and stars the formation of the earth occurred by collision of rocky particles. So, this is a clear case of the Qur'an getting it wrong and another example of trying to prove the Qur'an by appeal to some dodgy science that clearly doesn't support it. all the best urban