Homeowners' Insurance
By claudia413
@claudia413 (4280)
United States
February 3, 2007 5:37pm CST
I live in South Florida. At the end of February, our homeowner's insurance policy is up for renewal. We received notice that the company is no longer writing policies in Florida, so we have to go with another company. After getting quotes from several companies, we find that less coverage and higher deductibles will cost us more than twice what we paid last year.
I've heard horror stories where some people (especially in South Florida) are having to pay triple what they were paying last year. What's a person to do? Instead of paying over $2,500, we have to put out over $5,000 a year now. Is there no end to this? What good is a 22% rebate (what the Legislature is saying we'll get) when we're paying more than double what we had to pay last year? Every day I see more and more houses go up for sale around here. They used to sell almost overnight...now they're sitting for months.
I've lived in Florida my whole life, will be 65 this year, and am seriously considering moving out of Florida so that we can afford to retire and not spend all of our retirement money on house insurance, property taxes and electric bills. I've been paying for this type of insurance for 45 years and only had one claim...in 2005 after Hurricane Wilma.
Okay, off my soapbox for now.
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18 responses
@emeraldisle (13139)
• United States
3 Feb 07
Oh you are not alone. We live up near Tampa and our insurance went sky high. We had to go in and knock a lot down and that believe it or not saved us almost $3000 and we are still paying twice what we did before. My sister got the house back in 2000 and we have the insurance and taxes built into the mortgage. Her mortgage payment each month has tripled since then and it's all because of insurance. It's crazy. Yes the cut backs and the new laws will help but as Christ stated it's just the beginning. I'm really hoping they get in the one that says if a company offers car insurance here and also offers house insurance in other states they must offer it here. That will stop some of these companies from not offering it to Floridians.
Many homes are going up for sale here and they aren't selling because people find out the cost of the insurance and they can't afford it. I'm seeing some that state they will pay first year insurance. I'm sure this is so some won't realize how much it is until after they have boughten the house. It's ridiculous and you know with the recent tornado damage to Central Florida the insurance companies will use it to try and raise the rates again.
They make money off people for years and then when they do have to pay they scream. I know many who filed a claim a few years ago after Charlie and the others went through. Most were given joke amounts, not enough to pay for the new roofs they needed etc. The state really needs to go after these insurance companies and figure out a way to help Floridians otherwise like you many will move or go without insurance if possible.
@claudia413 (4280)
• United States
4 Feb 07
You are sooooooo right in everything you said. I still hear stories about how companies are refusing to pay claims from hurricanes in 2004 and 2005 (thank God we had none in 2006). The tornado damage in Central Florida sure isn't going to help the matter one little bit. Since we can't go without insurance (mortgage, ya know?), our only other choice is to move out of Florida if things don't get any better. This would probably mean losing money on the sale of our house since it's definitely a buyer's market now. It sure gives you a lot to think about when you're ready to retire.
@claudia413 (4280)
• United States
4 Feb 07
And I really agree with you that if a company sells car insurance in Florida, they should be required to sell house insurance also. That's a biggie as far as I'm concerned. Too many people whose mortgages are paid off are having to go without insurance because they just can't afford it now. A very sad situation and very scary.
@emeraldisle (13139)
• United States
4 Feb 07
Many insurance companies after Miami got hit real bad several years ago stopped selling home insurance here in Florida even though they sold it elsewhere in the country. They would still sell health and car but not home to anyone new, some even dropped old customers as well but not all did that however if you were late one payment they would without hesitating. If they offer it in other states then they should offer it here as well. Allow others to get the benefit of competitive pricing.
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@rusty2rusty (6763)
• Defiance, Ohio
4 Feb 07
I am sorry you are going thi sthis. I have heard this going on alot with neighbors and the in laws. I have also noticed more homes are up for sale. Compared to when I moved down to Florida two years ago. I can't believe how everything has jumped so high. I know I only rent off my in laws but if we owned a house. We would loose it because we would not be able to afford the insurance rates. Not with only mt husband working. Since I have become disabled.
@claudia413 (4280)
• United States
4 Feb 07
I'm also sorry for what you're going through. Too many people are having to sell their homes because they can't afford the insurance, property taxes and electric bills. And yes, renters are also finding their monthly rent is going to be higher because of the escalating costs of ownership. It's a very sad situation.
@courtlynne77 (4839)
• United States
4 Feb 07
My husband and I just moved to Wesley Chapel, Fl. in December. We bought a house and we were shocked by our homeowners insurance. We are paying over $4000 a year for it. We moved here because my husband was offered a better job, but thr cost of homeowners swallowed a lot of that raise. It is depressing to know that this can be done to people.
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@claudia413 (4280)
• United States
4 Feb 07
I agree wholeheartedly. It's very depressing. Where is Wesley Chapel anyway? I've never heard of it.
@Thoroughrob (11742)
• United States
23 Mar 07
Wow, that is outrageous!! No wonder you are thinking about leaving!! I don't know how they could refuse to sell you insurance. It is required with a loan on the house. What are people to do? People cannot afford that!!
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@claudia413 (4280)
• United States
23 Mar 07
People are selling and leaving Florida, and that's what we can do if the situation doesn't change for the better. It's a shame when you've paid insurance premiums for over 40 years and had only one claim in all that time, and they can still cancel you. At least we can afford to pay it...many people cannot afford it and are leaving. It's sad.
@missyd79 (3438)
• United States
7 Feb 07
My parents have a winter home in Largo and it is a mobile home and they were faced with the same thing last year, and it was even harder to find a home owners insurance to cover their mobile home. I think it has alot to do with the bad hurricane season last year (not this past season the one before)
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@claudia413 (4280)
• United States
7 Feb 07
That's exactly what it is, missyd. We have friends in mobile homes that haven't been able to get any windstorm coverage at all because of the hurricanes in 2004. Very sad.
@Willowlady (10658)
• United States
4 Feb 07
Tis a real shame when honest and hard working folks cannot live their retirement time in peace and comfort. There should be whole companies that do nothing but cater to older Amercians managing their finite finances in their fun years. Perhaps you could afford a move to Arizona, warm, not any hurricanes and perhaps less expensive living. Hope that this works out for you. Really do!
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@claudia413 (4280)
• United States
4 Feb 07
I work for a financial planner, and we're set financially for our retirement. I just really do not want to spend it all on insurance, taxes and electrical bills. LOL. I have no desire to move to Arizona (although I have a good friend there) because most of my family is in the East (mainly the southeast). Hurricanes don't worry me. I've been through them all my life, at one end of the state or the other, and we have plenty of notice in the event we need to leave. So, after 64 years in Florida and only one claim for hurricane (or any kind of) damage, I'm horribly upset about the whole situation. I've really got to find out how much cheaper it would be to live closer to my son in Georgia. ;)
@ossie16d (11821)
• Australia
5 Feb 07
This is not going to make you feel any better at all Claudia but it happens here too in Australia but not because of hurricanes of course. A few years ago our home was broken into and seriously damaged by vandals. At the time we had been away but returned a couple of days before although were not at home. We had actually bought a caravan down south and left it at a friends' place so left it there, went home to check on the house etc and back to friends to catch up with them. Either that night or the following one house was broken into. All the usual, police called etc and they were investigating. Started to clean mess up and then a week or so later, another break-in and this time we claimed on the insurance.
First time ever we had made a claim in 25 years with this particular company who had all our insurance, i.e. home, contents, car, farm equipment etc. The Insurance co was so offensive it was not pleasant and 6 months later we were still trying to collect from them. Nearly all of our furniture etc destroyed, we were underinsured on contents which made matters worse. In the end they did pay up but only because we had the solicitor send them a letter in reply to one they sent to us. In actual fact we had only paid the insurance premium about a month before the break-in. Before the year was up I organised another insurance company which was just as well as those rotters who had taken our money for all those years, cancelled our policy for the house. I cancelled the rest of them.
People do have insurance for a reason, i.e. to cover the risk and insurance companies accept the premiums on the basis that they accept the risk. From there it follows that if there is a claim, then the insurance company has an obligation to check it out and then pay the dammed thing. Some of our furniture was quite old and we hadn't realised it had increased in value so much which was a real problem. But I pointed out to them that their agent had been in our house and had seen what we had, so he had an obligation to tell us we didn't have enough insurance.
As time went on we had more fun, but this time it was with the vehicles. We drive a lot of kilometers every year, most of it on rural roads where there are kangaroos which have been known to jump out in front of cars. We had 4 claims in 8 years and had only claimed when major damage was done, but the Insurance company said they wouldn't cover us anymore. Guess what, they had been happily taking our money for 10 years and we had paid more out in premiums for 3 vehicles than we ever made a claim for. So we had to go through an Insurance broker - luckily we have one who is a good friend - to get insurance. We are on lifetime no claim bonus ratings which means it is the lowest premium level but then again my husband has had car insurance for 40 years, me for 37 years and our son for 12 years now. Before the kangaroos my husband had made 2 claims, I had made 1 and our son none. Insurance companies and I are not at all good friends and their ranking in my opinion is on a par with used car salesmen. LOL
Next one for the soapbox.
@claudia413 (4280)
• United States
5 Feb 07
Ossie, I'm sure there are many more stories like yours and mine out there. In the meantime, we'll continue to see many more high-rise buildings going up with the name of different insurance companies on top. I bet they get a nice return on those investments in the rent the tenants pay also. Ah, big business.
In our whole driving lives, Mike has only had one accident (not his fault) and I've only had one (not my fault). We do have safe driving records, so that does help. But, because he drives a County car to and from work 5 days a week (22 miles each way), the County requires him to carry high limits of liability on our car insurance policy. We are so used to this after 29 years, that we wouldn't even consider lowering them when we retire...or at least as long as we can afford them. LOL.
@airnavigator (369)
• United States
4 Feb 07
This is a classic example of the market at work and the problems that occur when the government gets involved in the market.
Insurance, including homeowners insurance, is designed to spread the cost of a loss that is anticipated to randomly affect certain members of a group. The practice of using insurance started a few centuries ago when trade was expanding and fortunes could be made by financing a ship that was being sent abroad to trade. If the ship made it back to England safely with a cargo of goods from the Far East or the New World those that invested in the ship could get a return of a 1,000% or more. But, they lost their entire investment (which was usually a large sum of money) if the ship was sunk in a storm or captured by pirates, etc. Knowing that a certain number of ships would not return, but not knowing which ones, investors would set up pools in which each investor would put up money to be used to reimburse those who lost their ships (those that lost ships would get all or part of their investment back, not the potential profit). Obviously, the more ship owners who joined the pool and the lower the anticipated losses, the less each had to put up in order to recoup their investment if their ship was one of the ones lost. Obviously, the anticipated losses would increase during times of war, as well as for ships setting sail during seasons of high storms or sailing into areas with high pirate activity, etc. and thus, the amount each had to put up for insurance would increase.
Rising insurance costs for shipping investors encouraged them to invest in voyages to safer places as well as to invest in ways to improves a ship's ability to weather storms and outrun or fight off pirates and enemy warships, thereby reducing thier risk of loss and cost of insurance.
In the case of South Florida, growth and land prices have been rising steadily for years as the climate and other amenities attracted many people. However, hurricanes appear to have a cycle and we appear to be moving into a period of higher hurricane activity (as a child in the 1950s I remember news reports of the frequent destructive hurricanes in Florida and then the drop off of hurricane activity in the years that followed). As the threat of property damage from hurricanes increases, rising insurance rates will cause people to make (but not necessarily like making) adjustments by moving out of South Florida, by investing in ways to make their property more resistant to hurricane damage, etc. As people move out of the area, the increased supply of properties for sale coupled with decreased demand for properties in the area will cause housing prices to fall. Fewer people and or lower prices properties in the area will cause insurance rates to fall since it will cost less to cover the financial losses incurred (if a home is worth $200,000 and is destroyed it costs the insurance company $200,000 to cover the damage - if it is only worth $100,000 then the insurance company only has to pay $100,000).
While not pleasant, the process does allow each individual to select the option that best fits their needs, whether it be to look for another place with a similar climate and amenities but without hurricanes, investing in strenghtening their property to better withstand hurricanes, accept the fact that it will cost more to live in South Florida and pay it because they can both afford it and prefer S Florida to other places, or some other solution.
The problem here is not the insurance company, since the only way they can acquire the funds to pay for the losses their insurerds incur is to raise the rates accordingly, but sweet old Mother Nature who is demonstrating that she is anything but kind and loving.
@claudia413 (4280)
• United States
4 Feb 07
Great comments. I remember growing up in Miami and the large number of hurricanes that we had in the 50s and early 60s. Then nothing major until Andrew hit in 1992. My sister lost her new home that was being built about 3 weeks before it would be ready for occupancy. However, since the construction laws were changed after Andrew, she ended up with a much better constructed home when she finally did get into it. All long-time residents in most parts of Florida know how to protect their homes and how to prepare and get through a hurricane (if they can afford it). They also know when to leave and when to stay. But Mother Nature really has her own rules.
@magdollars23 (1684)
• United States
4 Feb 07
I think you should have homeowners insurance no matter where you live but liging in an area like South Florida where hurricanes are a big thing it is definately important for you to have it especially with the amount of hurricanes that have been happeneing the past couple years.
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@claudia413 (4280)
• United States
4 Feb 07
We are required to have it because we have a mortgage on our home, but we'd carry it anyway even if it wasn't required. But having only one claim in over 45 years of home ownership in Florida, it sure seems we got the short end of the stick when it came time for renewal.
@venshida (4836)
• United States
4 Feb 07
It typical of these insurance companies. They just want to gouge their customers. You are required to have insurance, but the minute a claim is file they want to increase your premiums. I think the legislature should do more, because it seems to be affecting quite a number of people. Your retirement savings should not be spent on insurance etc, its a shame.
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@lpetges (3036)
• United States
4 Feb 07
when you live in south florida you can expect hurricanes. since the hurricanes hit 3 years ago, we who live in the midwest have also suffered higher insurance premiums. Then it hit New Orleans, and we still get hit with higher premiums! we've never made a claim either, but when the country has had all of these natural disasters, EVERYONE SUFFERS!!! So, i guess if i could not afford to pay those high premiums, i'd move. its ashame,, but i guess it could be worse..
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@claudia413 (4280)
• United States
4 Feb 07
Wow, I never thought that people in other states (especially in the midwest) would have to pay higher premiums because of hurricanes and other natural disasters. I wonder if yours simply went higher or if it doubled or tripled like it did here???
Yes, it could be worse. At least I can afford to pay the increase in my mortgage payments when taking the new premiums into account. But we're still considering moving if a permanent solution isn't made by our Legislature.
@kathy77 (7486)
• Australia
4 Feb 07
Oh my goodness after reading the amount that you have to pay that is disgraceful and that would be the reason the amount of houses are being sold at such a rapid rate. Well I do hope and pray that you will be able to get out of Florida and live somewhere else before they take all your money from you.
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@claudia413 (4280)
• United States
4 Feb 07
Thanks for the kind thoughts, Kathy. At least we have a few things on our side. Our home has tripled in value since it was built in 1990, so we really won't lose any money when we sell it, even if we have to sell for less than it's worth now. People will also still want to retire to Florida, no matter what the cost will be. However, we've already noticed that the "snowbirds" are coming down later and leaving earlier than they used to. It's a sad situation for all concerned.
@dragonstar13 (1465)
• United States
4 Feb 07
Insurance is a ripoff. You pay and pay and pay against the day you might have a claim, and then when you do, they raise your rates to get their money back. Who else can base your rates on your age, gender and/or marital status? Anyone else trying that is accused of discrimination and subject to law suits. Years ago I used to write insurance so I know some other little "tricks" they pull, definitely unethical if not outright illegal.
But what choice do you have? Dare you risk you home if you don't carry insurance? Would you be in a position to rebuild if, God forbid, a hurricane or other disaster were to strike? You could move out of state, leave your home, your friends. But just about everywhere has its own high risk natural disasters, try getting earthquake insurance in California. I think this is what is referred to as having you by the short hairs.
OK, whose next for the soapbox?
@max1950 (2306)
• United States
4 Feb 07
my dear friend i lived in palm beach the moved to the west coast in sarasota,fl when charlie came thru,then ivan,then francis,my homeowners was cancelled,and had to get state insurance,which is a joke,i have since moved to georgia where i have a 3500 sq.ft. home on an acre on land and i pay 1200 per year for homeowners insurance,now don't get me wrong i miss being in fl.but i can always visit orlando is only 8 hrs. away naples 10 1/2,west palm 10 hrs. away.buti'll get used to it ilike it in the ga.mountains nice and peacefull.also my car insurance dropped to half of what i was paying in fl.and like you say wilma came in from the west and went right across the state,maybe after last years non hurricane event things will change ,but i doubt it.good luck
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@claudia413 (4280)
• United States
5 Feb 07
I don't think things will change either. We are leaning more and more toward moving to Georgia. My son and his family live south of Atlanta, and my daughter is planning to move down there from New York this year. So, it looks better and better. I know I'd miss certain parts of Florida, but I can still visit family and friends here.
@claudia413 (4280)
• United States
4 Feb 07
Well, I certainly hope you can afford to rebuild it yourself if something happens to it. There are many kinds of natural disasters, as well as other causes (arson). You better take all of that into consideration. By law, we're required to have insurance coverage on our home if we have a mortgage on it. Your laws may be different.