Should Military Recurters be allowed in Schools

@bobmnu (8157)
United States
February 3, 2007 10:24pm CST
I have worked in High Schools for over 25 years and have dealt with Military Recurters most of those years. I have always treated them the same as the College Recurters. They are there to offer choices and options to the students. Not all students are college material just as not all students are right for the Military. I feel that students need to know all their options.
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@emarie (5442)
• United States
4 Feb 07
i don't have any problem with Military Recruters because i do agree with you, students should be given the option and not all students are ment to go to college. but what the military does do is help support those who do want to go to college. its like another way to afford an education. not all families are rich, not all students can afford loans or get scholarships to the schools they want. if they think they can cut it in the military, all the power to them. i have several family members and friends who decided to join after high school and i don't doubt their desision as well. kids do need to know what they have and the choice they can chose from. it makes leaving high school a whole lot easier for them and of course less of a shock.
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@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
4 Feb 07
Very good responce. With me it was making sure that the students unerstood their options. I tried to explain to students that there were different people interested in them and they should weigh all options before committing to one. Most students did not realizethat they had the choice. They thought that they went with the one that would accept them.
@SageMother (2277)
• United States
4 Feb 07
I think they should be banned from schools and I don't care if the school gets federal money or not. They are going where they have a capative audience that has no clue what it means to give up your identity and your rights all for the sake of taking a chance on getting your a** shot off in a war that is totally stupid.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
4 Feb 07
A little poem that I received when my son was serving in Iraq. It is the soldier, not the poet who gives you the right to free speech. It is the soldier not the reporter who gives you the freedom of the press. It is the soldier not the lawyer, who gives you the right to a fair trial. The vast majority of soldiers who have served in Iraq and Afganastan will tell you that it is not a stupid war and what you read in the media is not what is going on over there.
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• United States
4 Feb 07
You know, I beg to differ. It's not stupid because they are there serving, it is not stupid because they are risking their lives every day for a stupid president who doesn't know better, who doesn't know how to run a country the right way, and for a stupid government that cannot keep their stories straight. This is a senseless, needless war. No Blood For Oil.
@Modestah (11179)
• United States
15 Mar 07
thank you Bob for that poem. I live near an army installation, which is a training post. I can tell you, the young men and women I see arriving and leaving, and drilling are remarkable people. They are not ignorant fools who got caught off guard. They knew what they were in for, and they chose it. They are heroic in that sense. I get teary eyed just thinking of their selflessness.
@kesfylstra (1868)
• United States
4 Feb 07
I think that's wonderful. I went to a private school, so we never had one around. I didn't actually realize they did that. But not everyone is meant to go right to college. My husband was one--he enlisted out of high school, and after working his butt off for two years, got into college and is now commissioned. He would have had it no other way; it was the best option for him. How many more miss out on that option because they don't have it presented to them?
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
4 Feb 07
The military offers excellent programs for college bound students. Most of the military people I have talked to enlist because the feel a duty and an obligation. The military people have a sence of pride and self discipline seldom found in the civilian population. Even out of uniform they show that pride and respect for people. Some of our political leaders could use that pride and respect for others.
@Modestah (11179)
• United States
15 Mar 07
Yes! my son is one of those honorable people, He is brilliant and compassionate, and brave. He had plans of going into the USAF as an MD. only now those plans are thwarted because of his own illnesses, he is not considered military material anymore.
• United States
5 Feb 07
one more thing, people killing people sucks. however, obviously not all people agree with that. what can we do? just hang out and have people crash planes into our buildings and kill thousands of people whenever the hell they want to?? i'm not for war, but i'm not opposing it either because i don't know the facts. it would be great if the world could all get together, but that is never going to happen...deal.
• United States
6 Feb 07
honestly, i would love nothing more then to have the war stop and dance around with iraq to a jolly jig, but it isn't ever going to happen. we aren't acting out of revenge, we're acting out of reason. we need to survive. we're not bombing them for the hell of it, and we're not sending courageous, yes, COURAGEOUS, people to go fight for nothing. i would really love to see every single person who complains about the decisions of the president, be president and run this country smoothly. i don't like bush, i think he's an idiot, but i'm not trying to complain about what he's doing because i know i couldn't do any better. daaaang.
• Burkina Faso
5 Feb 07
The world is not going to "all get together" while we continue killing each other, period. For those of us (idealists, pacifists, whatever) who want the killing to stop, the ulterior motives behind war-mongering (i.e. economics and political control) are painfully obvious. How long are people going to hold onto the hurt before they stop trying to exact revenge? And how long is it going to take before people wake up and realise that their hurt has been used as a tool to send more people to die. I don't think that enlisting more young people to kill/be killed is a viable life option. We shouldn't need to be drumming up that kind of ridiculous patriotism and "courage" in our youth.
@Modestah (11179)
• United States
15 Mar 07
I agree with you. They should be permitted in the schools just as any other employment or education entity is permitted. Career Days are an great means of showing young persons the options available to them. most recruiters are honorable people who have served an honorable career in military service themselves. The military does not want unsuitable people so they are not likely to take those who do not qualify or show a true military spirit. The student can not sign any life altering papers without the parents full consent, and the recruiter is basicly there to just give information. those who are interested might take the asvab test to see their rating and what fields may appeal to them. No one is signed up in the school! the recruiter will have meetings with the student and parents before any commitments are made. My father served a very honorable military career and his last 4 years were as a Recruiter. He had a great rapport with the students as well as their parents, many times our family was invited to the homes of recruits for meals, weddings, graduations etc. He was always upfront with the students before they made such decisions, if you go in general you WILL be guarding a gate, etc. even 30 years after his retirement some of those kids (now retiring themselves) still are grateful to their recruiter for all he did for them. Yes, recruiters should be permitted in the public school system. It is more reproachable to let sports recruiters in the door.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
8 Oct 07
When my son joined the recurter encouraged meto meet with him and discuss my sons options. I even suggest a different career choice and it delayed his signing up but the recurter worked with us trying to what was best for my son and the Military.
@MrsSgtB (289)
• United States
12 Mar 07
I think they should be allowed...gives kids an option. I think if they allow JROTC in the schools for kids they should allow this as well. If not take both out. I also agree with you in one comment saying how the media plays the war out to be something different then what is actually going on. So true! My husband is soon to be going for a third time and media in many of their eyes are just another body they have to worry about because they want to share their view on the story which is usually one sided. Media is becomming a political circus in my eyes.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
13 Mar 07
My son served one tour in Iraq and my daughter hsa a college friend who is going for his 5th tour of Iraq and Afganastan and they both agree that what the media is reporting is not the whol storey. They want only the American body count and to report things that make the troops look bad. There was even an incident where a reporter drew amap of the battle plan on TV live before the solders were to attack and was not happy when an officer scuffed out the drawing on the ground. One of the biggest things we are showing people in the area is that there is another way to do business other than the present sturcture. If we are successful and leave Iraq with the government elected by the people you will see the ther countries in the are have to become more democratic.
• India
4 Feb 07
What I think is they shoud not allow the military recruitment in scholls.And main of all its like taking away the life and happiness of a kid.They should get time that could let them get time to enjoy and later when they grow up they should get self motivated and come to help a country..Its their mother land also.Many will be rady at their childhood itself.And those should be given a special attention and they can be admitted at childhood itself.But not the force which some countries put that they should work in their county military.This is my thinking. What do you say??? Your question is really intelligent...And I loved it
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
6 Feb 07
Having worked with recurters over the past several years I have found that they rarely comeinwith a list of students to visit for the first time. They show up and students show up to see them, voluntarly. When the come back to to talk specifics it was usually the student who had calledthem back for more specific information. They met the students in my outer office so aI was aware of what was going on. When the student was serious about signing up the recurter almost always suggested that a meeting with the parents was the next proper step. If a student refused that and was over 18, the recurter would set up another meeting at thier office for the student. I was usually asked on the side if I knew the parents and if there would be trouble if the student signed up. From what I saw there was nothing sneeky about how they did their business. I even saw some replaced because of what students had said or other recurters who turned them in because of what students told them. One recurter who continualled called studetns telling them what a fool they were for not taking the great opportunity he was offering. He was in in aobut a month. I have seen recurters work together to get the best placement for a student. I was working with a student who wanted a musical career but was also very athletic. The Army, Navy and Marines all wanted him. After they talked to his teachers, parents and other community members it was suggested that the Marines were the best option for him. He was playing for the Marine Band that was considered the President's Personal Band. He played at all White House Functions and traveled with the President. For a student who wanted a career in Music and Band he could get no better experience on his resume than playing with the marine Band. While all the services would like a person of his characther the recurters told the parents that the Marines were his best option for now and for his career. It is more than taking away his life and childhood. The last I heard was that he was finishing up his Masters Degree in Music and was going to do his 20 and then teach in a college. In ten years he had completed a BA in Music and almost a Masters Degree and had ten years of experience with a World Class Band. What other group offers such a deal.
@MrNiceGuy (4141)
• United States
4 Feb 07
Well its a law that recruiters be allowed to recruit in publically funded schools, which makes sense. Yet for some reason, UC Santa Cruz has kicked out their recruiters and physically attacks recruiters and their vehicles on campus. Pretty whack huh? I say take their funding.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
6 Feb 07
San Fransico lost a Museum ship and it was placed aobut 20 miles away. It is estimated that it will generate about $1,000,000, ayear in tourist trade. Some times there is PayBack
• United States
4 Feb 07
I think recruiters need to stay out of schools. They cause more harm than they're worth. They're a big distraction. Students usually aren't even interested in the military, they just use it as an excuse to get out of going to class. They just tell the teacher, oh I was talking to the army recruiter and that's that. Nothing more is said about it. I just think they create more conflict than they're worth.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
6 Feb 07
Should they keep out the College recurters and large companies offering jobs to the students? What about assemblies promoting different ideas. You are always going to have distractions in schools and it is up to the school and staff to make sure students do not abuse the situtations. Students need to know their options and if they only get one side then the will never be sure if it is the right thing for them.
@men82in (1268)
• India
4 Feb 07
Instead of recruiting they can train the basic level military training as per students willingnessinsteadof compelling them. Upto india NDAis there to look to academic levels of becoming a military soldier or commander.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
4 Feb 07
Thhanks for the responce.
• United States
4 Feb 07
i think its a good idea. there are some people that i know who failed in college courses and probably should have joined the military and made a career. some people are judging the military all because of this war thats going, but there's more to the military than JUST war. My husband joined the USAF straight out of highschool and this is his 9th year in. He's got to travel to countries and places that he never would been able to go to if it werent for the military. he's going to college that is funded by the military as well and he wouldnt have been able to afford it otherwise. Our family of 4 has excellent medical/dental insurance that we otherwise wouldnt be able to afford. Yeah its hard when he has to leave and this and that, but i think it was a great choice for him.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
5 Feb 07
First, Thank your husband and you for your service to our country. It is because of people like you that allows other people to complain about what ever they want. Keep up the good work.
@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
10 Mar 07
Absolutely, as you said many kids are just not college material for one reason or another or are not college material at this time in their lives. My son was one of them, he enlisted 6 months before he graduated from high school. He has grown up and matured since he enlisted and actually now has college credit. What he did was the right thing for him. To not give kids the right to make this choice is saying that our kids are so stupid they don't know how to choose for themselves. And as for what the first person said, my son had not given up his identity, if nothing else he had become a better person, who has grown from his experience.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
10 Mar 07
Thank your son for his service to the country. My son cameout of Basic a better man and a more confident one too. he has decided to make the military his career.
• United States
4 Feb 07
They should be allowed in the schools just like college and trade school recruiters. The military is not a bad life for anyone, and for some, it's the best option they have.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
4 Feb 07
Well stated they need to know their options
@stateroad (730)
• United States
4 Feb 07
I do not think they should be allowed in the High Schools. Maybe its because we have this war going on and I am afraid it will never end. The last thing we need is more young kids to get involved in the war. If a kid wants to enlist after he or she sees all the options the World has open to them then thats fine. I just do not think we need the Military in schools trying to show these kids the Military is the way to go. A big decision like that especially now with war among us should be left up to the individual and their Family.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
6 Feb 07
Chedk my responce to Responce #14
• United States
5 Feb 07
I agree with you...I believe that everyone once in their life time should join the military. My brother in law is a recruiter for the Marines and where he is at now the schools don't recommend that they go to their schools because they know that the students in that town will not pass the exam they have to take before they join. They think that by him going to the school is just a waste of time. Anyway I'm 23 and I'm actually considering joining the airforce. Ithink it will be a good experiance for me and help me figure out what I want to do for a living. I haven't started college yet because I don't know what I want to do. I also worked on a military base and to tell you the truth If you stay in your 20 yrs and retire I think it's worth it. You get so many benefits that no one else offers.
@emeraldisle (13139)
• United States
4 Feb 07
I agree. If you are going to allow college and sport recruiters you need to allow military ones as well. Teenagers need to know what options are available to them. They have to have some idea before graduation day so they know how to plan and what to expect. Having recruiters of all sorts allows for that.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
4 Feb 07
Thanks for your responce. I found that good recurters from college or military explain the options to the students and they have the information to make an informed decision.
@moneymaka (492)
• United States
5 Feb 07
There are always military recruiters coming to our school during lunch time and i signed up to be a recruiter im glad to protect my country and im not one of those college kids.
@Lunerian (493)
• Sweden
5 Feb 07
Well if you want to join the military you can find that info I'm sure, but having people at schools convincing people to put their lives on the line, I don't like it.
• United States
5 Feb 07
first of all, this whole anti war thing pisses me off. people protest when they don't know anything about it. the soldiers there because they chose to go. there was no draft. people opposing the war have the tendancy to ignore that they're also opposing the young men and women with the courage to go fight for us. i think an army recruiter has as much right to be at schools as any other recruiters. they aren't forcing students to join the army, they're letting them know their options. people need to stop being so ignorant.
• Burkina Faso
5 Feb 07
I don't think that Military Recruiters should be allowed in schools. But then, I would fall under the category of "idealist" - I think that the military is completely unnecessary, and that killing other people is complete rubbish no matter who they are or what they've done. *shrug* Amma