"Global warming, as we know it, doesn't exist"
By MrNiceGuy
@MrNiceGuy (4141)
United States
February 5, 2007 3:52pm CST
An article by Canada's leading climatologist. This really emphasizes how much debate there is and how Global warming isn't a consensus agreement. He raises some excellent points.
Read the whole thing, don't whimp out.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2007/global-warming020507.htm
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7 responses
@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
7 Feb 07
The geological record clearly shows that in the past the earth has been both much colder and much hotter than it is now.
The earth's climate at present is about midway between its two historical extremes.
That earth's climate is going to wander back out to one of the extremes of either much hotter or much colder is a fact that no human endeaver can change.
None of what I've just said can be disputed when all the facts are considered.
So, what's all the brouhaha about?
People who try to upset and alarm you are often trying to manipulate you.
Folks, being skeptical is healthy for you. Give it a try!
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@Idlewild (6090)
• United States
7 Feb 07
Well, what's the answer then, don't believe anything you hear? To me, when a majority of respected scientists agree in general on a certain direction, that's the best I can come, as a layman, to determining what's going to happen.
I'm interested in seeing both sides of a story. When was the earth hotter than today? Obviously it was hotter when the planet was formed, and when the dinosaurs lived. But if there are some sources you can point me to that show when the Earth has been warmer in times since then, I'd be interested in reading.
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@Idlewild (6090)
• United States
7 Feb 07
It's not arrogance at all to think humans can affect the Earth. We can affect the climate, polluting the seas can definitely affect the type and number of life forms, and certainly nuclear materials from bombs or waste can have a huge impact.
I agree that mankind can seem puny compared to the huge Earth,but that doesn't mean it's arrogant to say we can affect the planet. There are many ways mankind can impact the Earth, for good or ill.
@Kingsfolly (20)
• United States
7 Feb 07
We're no longer talking about normal temperature patterns, we're talking about the potential for higher temperatures due to a projected C02 level that is skyrocketing. Global C02 levels are directly correlated to global temperatures. If the world does not respond to the current trend, there will be consequences. The geological record also shows huge extinctions and great trauma to living animals in the past, proof that we must be aware that the earth has no inherent love of human beings or other living things.
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@Kingsfolly (20)
• United States
6 Feb 07
The author offered no explanation or science to substantiate his claims, nor did he seem to have any evidence that others agree with him. The vast majority agree that climbing C02 levels are negatively impacting the earth and will continue to do so. I think you should change your avatar from the mighty eagle to the ostrich with your head in the sand. Just because you found someone to state that there is no problem does not mean there is no problem.
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@MrNiceGuy (4141)
• United States
6 Feb 07
So just because you find someone who says it is a problem means it is? This mans credentials are clear, the peice is a commentary, not a scientific report.
Should we have bought into the global cooling theory from the 60's and 70's? What happened with that?
C02 emissions are down (30% since 1970):
http://www.cleanairprogress.org/research/summary.asp
http://usinfo.state.gov/journals/itgic/0300/ijge/gj-07.htm
How about the IPCC's reports facts that didn't make it into the press?:
http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/02/04/so-this-report-came-out/
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@MrNiceGuy (4141)
• United States
7 Feb 07
Ah, and those in the global warming hyping crowd are completely devoid of interests as well? Think again.
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@Kingsfolly (20)
• United States
6 Feb 07
Your cites are not quite convincing. The Foundation for Clean Air Progress is just a front organization funded by the Petroleum industry and other polluting organizations. They have proven lacking in their attempts to fool people, and you are fighting a losing battle. Will you next cite Limbaugh and O'rielly?
@Idlewild (6090)
• United States
7 Feb 07
I read the article and the author spends most of it talking about how his view is the minority, etc., not about why he feels he is right.
You says he is "Canada's leading climatologist"-- how do you know this? On the article he says he is the first Canadian to earn a PhD in climatology, but that doesn't make him "leading," does it?
On many accepted scientific theories, there are dissenters, even after the theories are proven. You can probably still find scientists who say that AIDS is NOT caused by HIV... but that doesn't make it true.
Seems to me that the vast majority of experts believe that global warming is real and is caused mostly by human activity AND actions related to human activity.
He talks about CO2 but doesn't mention methane.
To me, the writer doesn't come anywhere close to building a convincing case for his viewpoint in that article.
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@MrNiceGuy (4141)
• United States
7 Feb 07
Again, because it is a commentary article more about the silencing of critics, rather than the science (which he undoubtedly has to back it up).
I don't think its anywhere near equatable to the quack theories you mentioned, since those that still oppose it have just as good credentials as those who don't. Canada's climatologists also have voiced the opinion that they should never have signed on to Kyoto, since it isn't actually going to make any difference.
And what about those skeptics to the coming "ice age" that was forewarned in the 60's and 70's? Only time will tell, looking at the science I just don't think you can scientifically prove that man is doing this. There just isn't enough data, possibly, since you'd need such a massive time scale and number of variables.
@MrNiceGuy (4141)
• United States
7 Feb 07
The above links are good reads, as is this one:
http://pdfdl.oceighty.net/pdf2html.php?url=http://www.floppingaces.net/20070201_monckton.pdf
and
http://epw.senate.gov/repwhitepapers/6345050%20Hot%20&%20Cold%20Media.pdf
@geekwidow (88)
• United States
7 Feb 07
Mr. Nice Guy,
Have you seen "An Inconvienient Truth?" There he does all the science for you, lots of charts and graphs and explanation as to the fact that Global Climate Change is real, and leaves no doubt that it is caused by man. It also gives us hope that if we do something about it NOW it can be helped. Not stopped, but helped. That is where we come in. We need to stop denying our guilt and start making a change. I don't want my children learning about glaciers in history class.
@smacksman (6053)
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11 Feb 07
The ozone layer hole has filled in again. We don't read much about that any more.
And people try to say that the recovery is due to a reduction in aerosol spray cans?
Please!
@john_essex (199)
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11 Feb 07
The ozone hole has filled in because we phased out the use of CFCs a number of years ago (on a global scale). We still use as many aerosol cans, it's just that they use a different propellent gas.
@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
6 Feb 07
I didn't wimp out I read it from beginning to end. The person seems to be well educated, stands firm on his reasoning. I honestly cannot say if I agree or disagree he present an intelligent argument and I hope he is correct. Sadly I am too cynical and take everything I read with a pinch of salt. I have copied it and will mull it over. Thank you very much for posting such an interesting link.
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@MrNiceGuy (4141)
• United States
6 Feb 07
Thanks a lot for keeping an open mind. "+" and best response.
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
6 Feb 07
You are a nice guy!!Thanks to you (+). BTW I love your avatar.
@john_essex (199)
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11 Feb 07
The IPCC report says that the consensus is that the planet is warming and is caused my human activity. This report is based on real science form thousands of leading scientists. Just becuase some random guy's view is that it isn't happening doesn't make it so.
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@chhaganbhujbad (263)
• United States
9 Feb 07
its a good article... but wasnt able to read the whole part of it....
Global Warming I know hasnt been declared official yet..
