Have u ever thought ig god reakky exists what really created god reda on to find

India
October 11, 2006 2:05pm CST
"You can't prove God exists and you can't prove God doesn't exist." This is the response one often hears when the question of God's existence is raised. It is true in one trivial sense, but quite misleading in another critical sense. If we are using "prove" in the strict sense of absolute certainty, it is true that we can't prove or disprove God's existence. But this does not mean that there is no good evidence or arguments for God, which might make belief in God's existence very reasonable. We know very little (if anything) with absolute mathematical certainty, so certainty is neither a reasonable or necessary standard. Like virtually all of our other knowledge, I think we can show that it is highly probable that God exists. It is also important for us to note that merely having a possible alternative explanation does not defeat the argument. What one needs is a more probable alternative explanation. For example, most people believe the earth is a sphere; but a small minority still insist the earth is flat. Should the "spheroids" abandon their theory just because the "flat-earthers" have come up with an alternative? Of course not. The only way this would be necessary is if the flat-earthers were able to offer overwhelming evidence that theirs is the more probable theory. And that is unlikely in the extreme. Good arguments for God's existence are in abundant supply. Alvin Plantinga, arguably one of the world's more brilliant living philosophers, recently delivered a paper outlining two dozen or so theistic arguments. Space will limit me to two. Argument #1: God Is the Best Explanation for the Beginning of the Universe Premise 1) Whatever begins to exist must have a cause. Premise 2) The universe began to exist. Conclusion: Therefore the universe has a cause. Whatever begins to exist must have a cause. Most of us have no problem accepting this principle. We assume its truth in virtually every aspect in our daily lives. Our experience always confirms it and never denies it. But surprisingly, philosophers have been unable to prove its veracity. Nevertheless, it has always been a fundamental first principle of philosophy and science that "from nothing, nothing comes." Even the atheist philosopher David Hume, who showed that we could not prove with certainty that the causal principle was true, still believed it to be true and thought so with certainty. Surely it is more reasonable to hold to this premise than to believe that things pop into existence out of nothing and by nothing. Scientific Confirmation Secondly, we have both scientific confirmation and logical argument for the universe having a beginning. According to the standard Big Bang model, space, time, matter and energy all came into existence simultaneously around 15 billion years ago. Furthermore, according to the Second Law of Thermodynamics, given enough time the universe will eventually reach a state of equilibrium-a cold, dark, dead, virtually motionless state. Clearly, if the universe is without beginning, then there has been an infinite length of time preceding this present moment. If this is the case, then the universe should already be in a state of equilibrium. This should be a cold, dark, dead, virtually motionless universe. There should be no galaxies, solar systems, stars or planets-not to mention living organisms. Since there is obviously plenty of heat, light, movement and life, the past must be finite. The universe had a beginning. The third and strongest piece of support for the beginning of the universe comes from the impossibility of an infinite past. This is because an actual infinite number of anything cannot exist in the real world. We might think that since we use the concept of infinity in mathematics there would be no problem here. But mathematicians who work with the concept of infinity, do so by adopting some arbitrary rules to avoid the absurdities and contradictions that come with an infinite number of anything. And these rules don't apply to the real world. Infinity only works in the abstract realm and only with some special rules. To see the absurdity and contradictions of an actual infinite number of things in the real world, imagine a library having an infinite number of black books and an infinite number of green books alternating colours on the shelves and numbered consecutively on the spines. Does it make any sense to say that there are as many black books as there are black plus green books together? Not really, but that is what you would have to say if you want to claim the infinite is possible in the real world. Suppose we withdrew all the green books. How many books are there left in the library? There would still be an infinite number of books in the library even though we just withdrew an infinite number and found a way to get them home! Suppose we withdrew the books numbered 4,5,6... and so on. Now how many books are left? Three! Something surely is wrong here! One time we subtract an infinite number of books and we're left with an infinite number; the next time we subtract an infinite number and we're left with three-a clear logical contradiction. Since our hypothesis leads to a contradiction, the hypothesis must be false-a library with an infinite number of books cannot exist. While we can avoid these contradictions in the mathematical realm by making up rules like not allowing ourselves to subtract or divide when using infinity, we cannot in the real world prevent people from taking books out of libraries. Therefore, since a beginningless past would be an actual infinite number of things (events) and since an infinite number of things cannot exist in the real world, it follows logically that the past is not infinite. The universe had a beginning. Furthermore, an infinite past is impossible, because an actual infinite cannot be formed by adding one member after another. It's like counting to infinity-you just never get there. Just like we can never finish counting to infinity, we can never begin to count down to a negative infinity. But to have a universe with no beginning, you would have to have an infinite number of past events leading up to the present. But this is impossible, because, by implication, the present could never have come to exist. Thus the Big Bang Theory, the Second Law of Thermodynamics and the impossibility of an infinite past all support the universe having a beginning. Since whatever begins to exist must have a cause, it follows logically that the universe has a cause. What Caused God? The most common objection to this argument is "What caused God?" But the question "What caused X?" only makes sense if there was some indication that "X" had a beginning. In this case, there is nothing that indicates that the cause of the Big Bang had a beginning. In fact, since time did not exist beyond the Big Bang, the cause of the Big Bang must have existed timelessly. Thus, it could have no beginning, and hence no cause. We may want to say this about the universe, but we can't, since as we have seen, the evidence points toward the universe having a beginning. Argument #2: God Is the Best Explanation for a Universe that Supports Life Astrophysicists have been discovering that the Big Bang appears to have been incredibly fine tuned. The numerical values of the different natural forces like gravity, electromagnetism, subatomic forces and the charges of electrons "just happened" to fall into an extremely narrow range that is conducive for life to exist. Minute changes in any one of these forces would have destroyed the possibility for life and, in most cases, destroyed the universe. Stephen Hawking, probably the best known name in contemporary physics, has written, "The laws of science, as we know them at present, contain many fundamental numbers, like the size of the electric charge of the electron and the ratio of the masses of the proton and the electron....The remarkable fact is that the values of these numbers seem to have been very finely adjusted to make possible the development of life."(A Brief History of Time, 1988, p. 125) Sir Fred Hoyle, the astrophysicist, well known for his anti-theistic feelings tell us that, "A common sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and that there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature. The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question."(Engineering and Science, Nov 1981, cited in The World Treasury of Physics, ed. By Timothy Ferris, 1991, p. 392) Consider these examples: 1. If the charge of the Proton and Electron not been Exactly Equal hydrogen atoms would repel one another and there would be no galaxies. 2. If the Relative Strength of the Four Fundamental Forces-gravity, electromagnetism, and the strong and weak nuclear forces-were slightly different, no life would be possible. If the strong force (the force that binds protons and neutrons in the nucleus) was just two per cent less, it would have destroyed all nuclei essential to life. If it was two per cent more, it would have prevented the formation of protons and, therefore, matter. 3. If the Proton/Electron Mass Ratio of 1836 to 1 had been slightly different, there would be no chemistry. 4. If the Balance Between the Gravitational Force and the Electromagnetic Force in Stars had been altered by a mere 1 in 1040, it would have produced a universe composed entirely of blue giants and red dwarfs-stars that don't support life. 5. Given the second law of thermodynamics, a big bang should have produced a universe with zero order (maximum entropy), and yet our universe came out very orderly (Low Entropy). 6. If expansion rate of the universe was slower by 1 part in a million million, the universe would have collapsed very early. If the expansion
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• United Arab Emirates
15 Nov 06
No one can prove and give the reasons how the creation came into existence but what is possible in our life we can see the God in our life and the most unrefutable fact in this regard is it can't be describe by your words,it has to be experienced personally because you can experienced,if you did that then there needs no furhter discussion about the God existence.It is there.'Sel-knowledge' is the only way to know all the things.
@vipul20044 (5793)
• India
21 Oct 06
haha buddy Siriously i know i have been arguing many people on this thing I have been giving zillions of reasons and yes there is a point, sometimes you dont have an explaination for things but then those who believe in god might not be having a reason either it isnt about believing or not believing its about being firm in your belief, and respecting what others believe in