Please, enough with the evolution vs creationism threads
By useradd
@useradd (46)
Canada
February 13, 2007 10:39am CST
- Evolution and creation are not in conflict with each other
- Science is not a belief system
- Evolution is science, and thus falsifiable
http://www.artsci.gmcc.ab.ca/courses/psych104/falsifiable.htm
- Evolution does not claim to know how life or the universe came into being
- Evolution explains how species have evolved from one state to another through the process of natural selection
http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_2.htm
- We did not evolve from apes, we share a common ancestry, supported by fossil records and DNA evidence
- A scientific theory is supported by overwhelming evidence, thus it is not 'just a theory'
http://wilstar.com/theories.htm
- All scientific models must go through a peer review process before being accepted as theories
http://www.senseaboutscience.org.uk/index.php/site/project/29/
- Life is not too complex for scientific theories to explain, despite what uninformed creationist will claim
- Many christians, including the Roman Catholic church are in support of evolution
- The chicken/egg debate is not an argument against evolution, it's an argument against chickens and eggs
Please do your research before before making wild claims about evolution. It is a valid theory supported by scientists around the world, and has yet to be disproven. Please do not regurgitate what creationist websites claim as arguments against evolution. Every creationist argument has been shown to be false. Please see http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-qa.html for more info. Scientists do not have to believe in their theories, as all scientific theories must be supported by repeatable observations and/or experiments. The scientific method, with a dash of Occam's razor sets the basis for all scientific theories and discoveries.
http://teacher.pas.rochester.edu/phy_labs/AppendixE/AppendixE.html
http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/OCCAMRAZ.html
The theory of evolution is no more exempt by these rules than the theory of gravity, and yet we know that gravity exists. We've sent people to the moon, and probes to mars and beyond using Newton's theory of gravity.
Lastly, this is not a debate against creationism. I'm simply pointing out the common misconceptions that people have about evolution and science in general. If you have any doubts in your mind, please view the above links I've posted.
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@Thomas73 (1467)
• Switzerland
18 Feb 07
This is a really nice post that sums up the debate quite accurately. However, I really doubt if it will even make creationists think about it. Most of them are so blinded by their 'belief' that they simply refuse to accept any other alternative to their fairy tale.
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@Thomas73 (1467)
• Switzerland
18 Feb 07
I did follow that link you provided, Owens, and I did read the gibberish that was written there. I cannot exactly be called close-minded, but when someone tells me that boys are born in cabbages whereas girls are born in roses -- and that there's scientific evidence for it! -- I cannot help but simply dismiss it.
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@livewyre (2450)
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15 Feb 07
You have adopted a sensible approach to the subject, but then that's not necessarily how mylot works!!
You should state something outrageous and then see how many responses you get (Ha Ha).....
I too believe in creation, I don't accept that evolution is a completed theory, more a work in progress which will probably not be fully explained since we can't really understand God like the machine can't 'understand' its' maker.
There's not a lot of point taking an arrogant stance in the 'real' world either way since we cannot fully understand, however if you want to get responses and earn a few cents on MyLot, being contraversial will help.
@useradd (46)
• Canada
15 Feb 07
LOL!
Your comments are very much appreciated livewyre. :)
You're quite correct in saying that evolution is not a completed theory. In fact, most scientific theories are almost never complete, and are always a work in progress. As scientists collect more data, they're able to make refinements to their theories to make them more accurate.
There are times when scientists find new data that contradicts predictions made in the current theory. The theory must then be modified to support the new data.
Scientific theories are kind of like puzzles. The more pieces that are put together, the clearer the overall picture is. Sometimes one piece of the puzzle will kind of fit, just not very well, and that piece is replaced when a piece of the puzzle that better fits that spot is found.
As for your comments on mylot, I'm still trying to figure out how the payscale works. I take it that you also get paid for each response that you recieve in a topic that you've started?
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@jricbt (1454)
• Brazil
20 Feb 07
Sorry, but it will not stop creation vs evolution threads.
And is good to remember that creationists started the attack on the Theory of Evolution, attacks using fake arguments, misinterpretations and others.
While I think I can understand your point of view, this just wont stop, more creationists will come to mylot over time, more will write the same old things, refutated N times before, and more threads will be started, it is always like this.
@Rittings (673)
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14 Feb 07
Dude I have to respect your arguments totally. It's nice to see them backed up with things on the net, but the net itself is flawed. It has no regulatory council to answer to. This means that anyone can create a webpage and print what their version of the realities in which we live. This is why muslim terrorist are able to get bomb building info, and why these same guys are being brainwashed from the rubbish printed on such webpages...
But that's gettin away from your argument. I have to say, I am a Christian and have certain Buddhist life styles also (or trying to have! hehe). But I am not closed minded enough to try and guess where we came from, or even why we might be here. I have not had this enlightenment yet, but maybe one lifetime I will.
There will always be arguments for and against every single fact/or fiction on this planet. This is because every person is different. Some are stubborn to the truths, some are just plain stupid, others perhaps don't even care! haha.
But for every scientist you produce supporting the evolution theory, there will be another who will dispute it. But that's life I guess haha.
I am not swayed either way to be honest, but I see your points and they are good ones dude.
Cheers for this one.
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@useradd (46)
• Canada
14 Feb 07
Welcome back Rittings.
I agree with you 100%, unfortunately our options are somewhat limited when it comes to providing credible sources of information to people on the internet. Of all the links that I posted in the OP, only 1 of them (talk origins) can really be considered questionable, and that's only because it supports my position on evolution. The rest of the links posted are no more than definitions/explanations of scientific terms, which don't really support or deny my position.
Thanks for your comments though. They've been much appreciated.
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@clearbook (69)
• Philippines
18 Feb 07
Wow! You've posted the best response. I may enter the sites you've recommended here for my further researches. God Bless You!!
@Xeedar (255)
• Italy
13 Feb 07
No, he has just tried to explain how right is the evolution theory, and how prooved it is, while who attack it has no proof against the evidence of material reperts and years of accurate research.
He just wants that people learns to open their eyes and accept the truth.
As I would like too.
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@owens07 (325)
• Puerto Rico
14 Feb 07
This is an exerpt from an article I recently posted:Discovery Institute Feb 8, 2007
Ranks of Scientists Doubting Darwin's Theory on the Rise
Seattle - Another 100 scientists have joined the ranks of scientists from around the world publicly stating their doubts about the adequacy of Darwin's theory of evolution. "More scientists than ever before are now standing up and saying that it is time to rethink Darwin's theory of evoultion in light of new scientific evidence that shows the theory is indadequate" said Jon West, associate director of the Center for Science & Culture.
If you want to see the list for yourself go to www.dissentfromdarwin.org
Oh and by the way this is one only one of many lists out there.
Maybe you should share your findings with these scientists unless of course you're accepting by FAITH that the evolutionists that told you evolution is a fact are right. Then you needn't bother.
@useradd (46)
• Canada
14 Feb 07
Hello owens. I see that we've crossed paths in more than one thread and I'll be sure to follow up with you in each one of them.
I'm not stating bias here, nor am I trying to be philosophical. My main point from the very beginning is that creation and evolution are not competing with each other. I've read a number of posts on this board from people who's arguments against evolution are based on misinformation.
The common arguments are...
- it's silly to think that we evolved from apes
It's also silly if you believe that the earth is the centre of the universe, but people once believed it.
- life and the universe is so complex, that there must have been a creator
The above isn't even an argument against evolution, but people use it anyways.
- the chicken/egg debate
Asexual single celled organisms existed well before animals of this complexity.
- I believe in God, therefore I believe in creation
There's nothing wrong with having a belief in God, while supporting evolutionary theory at the same time.
And it goes on and on.
I'll respond to your article on the Discovery Institute in the thread that you started on it.
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