Dogs are a menace and need to be destroyed? No, just avoided.
@Radicalpatriot (665)
United States
February 15, 2007 1:57pm CST
I will never forget an incident in which we were visiting a friend at their house and the dog was sitting on the floor in front of us. This dog, a medium-sized pit bull that had never shown any real signs of violence in its life, suddenly lunged at our friends' small toddler and almost ripped the kid's face off before the dad managed to beat the dog off the child. I have also had negative incidents with dogs many times and it almost always goes back to the dog's owner being negligent or underestimating the pet's potential for violence around strangers or under strange conditions. My friends had to have the dog destroyed.
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@royalkaliber (135)
• United States
15 Feb 07
I am a die-hard dog lover, and I hate to see dog's put down, but in a case like this with aggression towards a person I wholeheartedly think the dog should be destroyed. Almost always it is the result of how a person (either past or present) treated the dog, but I also think there are some dogs that are personality-wise more prone to acting aggresively or are just "bad apples." An aggression dog cannot and should not be re-homed because it can never be trusted. To re-home such a dog is HIGHLY irresponsible and gives a bad name to dogs of that breed, escue organization, etc.
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@Radicalpatriot (665)
• United States
16 Feb 07
Let's face it. Some people are simply unqualified to handle dogs. Maybe we should require a license for dog owners, not the dogs themselves.
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@zavebe (122)
• United States
15 Feb 07
I halfway agree with you. I don't think the dogs should be destroyed though. We don't destroy humans for attacking someone (murder is a different subject). But, I don't think these dogs should be re-homed without the owner aware of the dogs past.
I plan, once I get my own place and not a dorm, to adopt dogs that would otherwise have been destroyed. I believe that with proper training a dog can be taught how to behave. Despite what many believe, I'm a firm believer that dogs live in the now. They don't hold grudges or past memories the same way humans do. You can retrain them that something isnt bad or scary.
Some dogs, however, are beyond repair. But very very few, I think.
But I would never be so ignorant as to keep a dog who has a history of attacking someone out around people. I'd keep them away from kids, and I'd keep them on tight leashes in public.
But they deserve to live. They deserve a second chance.
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@Jshean20 (14348)
• Canada
15 Feb 07
I think that you worded the headline very well. There are certain situations which can be avoided and I think when you have a dog in the house you have to seperate young children from the dogs (whether it be a different room or allowing the dog to run around the backyard). Dogs can feel threatened by a toddler because they tend to talk very loudly, move quickly and are just unpredictable. Kids and medium-bigger sized dogs should be seperated until the child is large enough to atleast be taller than the dog and until they understand that they have to be gentle around them and not dash around so quickly.
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@Radicalpatriot (665)
• United States
16 Feb 07
Absolutely on-point. However, it has been my experience that parents can get preoccupied with an activity, lose track of where the dog is and that is when incidents, sometimes tragic incidents, occur. I would equate it with turning your back and not seeing your toddler sneak out the sliding back door and fall into a family pool.
@cipher2004 (1183)
• United States
15 Feb 07
That is horrible that that has happened.I was attacked by 2 dobermans when I was little.They got out of their fence.Luckily I was eating a pizza,threw it and ran in someones yard.I blame the owner.Don't you think that it is the owners fault for not training properly?I have a pitbull/dalmation mix.This dog is trained very well.If he is waliking I say stop and he stops.If i say back he backs up.But when it comes to children I still put him in his kennel.This is only common sense.If someone comes over my house and is a little leary i say"kennel time"and he runs in a pulls it closed with his teeth.When dogs get intimidated they do strange things.Or maybe he was just jealous of the child.
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@Radicalpatriot (665)
• United States
16 Feb 07
Be careful here. The fence could have been broken and the owner just didn't know. The dogs will always try and break out of a prison like that. It is the fact that the dogs existed in the first place that caused you to be nearly killed. And why two? It's just twice the trouble, nuisance and hazard to people, especially with volatile Dobermans.
@flagbabygirl (891)
• United States
16 Feb 07
I hate doge they are unpredictable and they can react different to different people. Now that said I own 2 dogs both of them are Mutts a beagle mix and a Lab mix, I find that purbreds have more aggression for some reason! I d not allow my dods around other children at all ! I was attacked three times Once at 6 years old and almost lost one whole side of my face! one at 10 a friends pitbull and once at 29 a friends dog. It is bull when you cannot even live a normal life because you are afraid of dogs! My daughter was also attacked while selling girl scout cookies! Sad! I think peopel should keep their dogs under control!
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@Radicalpatriot (665)
• United States
16 Feb 07
If you hate dogs you should not be owning any. I think that is simply logic and common sense.
@zavebe (122)
• United States
15 Feb 07
Sadly, pitbulls are bred for violence towards other dogs. And occasionally they hurt humans too.
I don't think any dog is evil, or bad. I assume that this toddler was probably too close to the dogs favorite chew toy, or something. Some breeds are just plain out bad with kids, and have to be watched carefully when with them.
Dogs also have a heirachy system in place. Most humans easily usurp the "Pack Leader" position, and so dogs don't misbehave. But a toddler is essentially a puppy to dogs. And pitbulls have a high pain-tolerance. So with their own puppies they'd be more agressive than say, a golden retriever. That toddler was probably a puppy in that Pitbulls eyes, and the pitbull was probably trying to assert his position. Unaware of the fraility of the child.
I think people too often misunderstand dogs. Misunderstand what it takes to cohabit a space with animals of a different species. It's like learning a new culture. You have to understand what they think, what they may do. Agressive-known breeds will try to take power. Not so agressive breeds (and individual dogs have different levels) will let you take control.
I find it heart breaking that people so easily put their dogs down, though. I know there are local rules that state if a dog attacks someone, they must be put down. But I'm still always greatly depressed by it.
It does go back to the owner being negligent. Mostly just because they aren't educated enough. When you go buy a dog, there isnt someone there teaching you how to train and take care of it. And that's simply heartbreaking that because they didn't understand their dog well enough, he had to lose his life.
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@Radicalpatriot (665)
• United States
16 Feb 07
Superb comments. The heirarchy reflex to which you refer appeared to be in play, for sure. I don't think the parents would ever suspect something that brutal would ever occur, and they were clearly blindsided. But my point remains: Dogs are animals and, sooner or later, will kill or maim a child whether they mean to or not.
@Silatt (2)
• United States
16 Feb 07
My brother was a victim of a similar attack. It was around the age of him being 10 I think. Our neighbor had some kind of mutt that was easily irritable apparently. The dog attacked my brother and had latched on his face. 10 years down the road and he still bears the scar across his nose. His nose was literally hanging off his face when the dog got done with him. They had to take these rounded fish hook like needles and stitch his nose back on. The dog never received any retribution for his actions whatsoever. At the local police's inaction we promptly moved after the attack.
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@pebbles_cubbie (3789)
• United States
19 Feb 07
The dog was a Pit Bull. Those dogs are known for being vicious and very unpredictable. No matter how nice that dog is it can turn on anyone in a split second for no reason. Pit bulls are being destroyed all over the place because of all their violence. The animal shelter I worked at didn't even take pit bulls or pit bull mixes for this reason. The owner's negilgence has nothing to do with how a pit bull is. That is incoded in the brain of that dog. To be vicious and attack. So yes those dogs do need to be put to sleep due to their violence to humans and other animals. Why do you think gangs have pit bulls? It's so they will attack on command. Other kinds of dogs can be vicious but this does has a lot to do with the negligence of the owner. It all depends on how they were trained to act. That is not including the pit bull by the way. Since they have a mind of their own. Dogs like chows are also vicious but not nearly as bad as a pit bull. those dogs are trainable and attack very rarely compared to the breed of pit bulls
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@thunderofsins (738)
• United States
16 Feb 07
Well thats an oxymoron statement right there! The full name of a pit bull is a "Pit Bull Terrier".
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@astromama (1221)
• United States
16 Feb 07
I was attacked by a German Shepard when I was 11. I was at a girl's birthday/slumber party and the dog had been kept outside all night. All of us girls were still awake, the parents had gone to bed, when our hostess decided to play the game of Life, which was outside in the family suburban. When she came back in with the game, she brought the dog. Being raised on a farm with all kinds of animals had taught me that some animals you avoid out of fear/respect, others are safe... this was how I felt about dogs... they were safe. I went over to the girl, who was sitting with the dog on our palatte of sleeping bags and slowly reached down to pet 'Duke'... I was in the middle of saying 'Your dog is so pretty', when he lunged up at me and latched ahold of my face... His lower teeth punctured through above my top teeth, leaving my two front teeth hanging out of my mouth. His top teethy punctured either side of my nose, exposing bones... After he let go, I rolled over and covered my head instinctively, he jumped on my back and bit at the back of my head, leaving tiny cuts, but no more damage. Somehow, the girl managed to grab him by his throat and pull him off me. I was in shock... I stood and started repeating my phone number, over and over again until someone called my father, who came immediately to get me. It was a nightmare... mostly for my parents, who drove me two and a half hours to the hospital, where I had three and a half hours of surgery done on my face. To this day I have wires in my face where certain small bones had been crushed. I have porcelain on my teeth where they had been chipped off, and I had to have braces for a few years to correct the damage. The scarring on my nose isn't that bad, due to an amazing surgeon.. however, if the wound had been even a fraction of a centimeter deeper, the dog would have ripped my tear ducts, and even a fraction of a inch wider, I could be blind. I have two very sweet dogs at this point in time... I would never own a dog that was even slightly aggressive. But I will say that the years it took me to get over a gripping, intense fear... one that clutched at me every single time I heard a dog bark... the physical pain of the attack, wondering if I would be disfigured forever... those things an 11 year old child shouldn't have to go through... I don't know what happened to the dog. I know the family moved shortly after. And I know my grandfather went out to their property with a shotgun to tell them that if they didn't put the dog down, HE would. Old Skool. I think it's sometimes necessary to put a dog down. I love animals, but unfortunately, unlike when a person commits a murder, there is no animal prison, or rehab. You can't ask an animal if they repent, and understand that what they did is wrong. That dog could have killed me, and in part I blame the owners, but mostly I blame the dog. In my opinion, once a dog messes up and attacks a child, that's the last chance they get.
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@Radicalpatriot (665)
• United States
17 Feb 07
I am astounded by this story and very sad that you had to endure something like this. I mjst say I have been accosted by dogs, but my first reaction upon seeing any dog is to keep my distance and also keep that dog's master from getting really close to me so that dog won't think I am somehow going to attack the master.
@crickethear (1417)
• United States
16 Feb 07
I love dogs, and have had dogs, and they are very loyal and loving. Pitts, are known for going off like that. Usually it is who owns it, and they mistreat it, but also it has something to do with the in breeding. That is horrible about your friend, and I hope the childs face is ok. It must have been terrifying for him/her.
But overall most dogs, and the greatest friend you could have.
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@Radicalpatriot (665)
• United States
17 Feb 07
You are the rare sort able to take care of dogs and give them the time and attention they require. Most of us simply are unable to do so and should never have dogs.
@Radicalpatriot (665)
• United States
16 Feb 07
Dogs need constant care, walking and enormous spaces like farms. Keeping dogs in an urban environment is torture to the pet and a menace to the owner and anyone who visits.
@all_am_rejects (57)
• United States
16 Feb 07
Some dogs may act like that because they have been mistreated. Most dogs however r extremely nice and just love attention. I have had dogs all my life and they were all sweet, kind and down to earth dogs. Please do not judge all dogs by the few bad ones.
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@Radicalpatriot (665)
• United States
16 Feb 07
There was never any indication that this dog was ever subjected to anything but love and attention. As for judging all dogs just by the few bad ones, I have met many more bad (or just frightening) dogs than good ones.
@BlackBay (584)
• Canada
15 Feb 07
I could not DISAGREE with you more! It's awlful your friends dog bit a child but to destroy all dogs! With proper training and the knowlegde of the breed that one should own is the responsibility of the owner! A bad dog is the owner's fault, responsibility for failing to train the dog is his fault.
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@Radicalpatriot (665)
• United States
16 Feb 07
Yes, but at least around where I live, I see loose dogs all over the place. I see massive pit bulls in yards and they are not leashed. One of my photographer friends was attacked by a pit bull that actually leaped a five-foot fence and almost bit her head off. Only a well-positioned camera near her neck camera kept her from being killed. You give people way too much credit. They do not, or cannot, control their pets.
@Ravette (21)
• United States
19 Feb 07
Did you know that the general whole population can not even identify an actual American Pit bull Terrier?
Pit bull is a term used to group dogs with certain physical characters
APBT are NOT bred to be human agressive but animal agressive. They were bred so that their human could go into the pit and break up the fight without getting bit.
the APBT placed higher in temperment testing then many other popular "safe" breeds.
You saying that all dogs are bad is just ignorance. That is like saying a certain race of people that say started a huge war needs to all be put down because they are violent people. *rolls eyes*
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@carlaabt (3504)
• United States
16 Feb 07
I would say that was partly the owner's fault, as well as the dog's. We don't let our dogs be out around strangers. For sure strangers with kids. It's just not smart. And neither of our dogs have ever bitten anyone either. We have a 12 month old son and we do let the dogs play with and around him, but they both know that if we call them out on something they must either knock off whatever it is they are doing, or be put in the other room for awhile. We don't tolerate them being mean to the baby and they know it. They are allowed to growl at him, because I think that teaches him that what he is doing is unacceptable. But if either of the dogs ever bit him, they would be in sooo much trouble. And I think they both know that.
That said, when we have friends over that have kids, our dogs are not allowed anywhere near them. We don't think they would hurt the kids, but you never know what a small child will do to a dog either. They might do something to hurt our dogs and our dogs might just snap back out of pain. It's hard to say. Dogs do have a pack mentality and ours accept that Elliott (my son) is part of the pack, along with my husband, our cat, and me. However, someone else is not part of their pack so their child might be viewed as a threat if he or she were to pick at our dogs or our son. The only time that I've ever seen either of my dogs close to biting someone was when one of our neighbors (they both knew him really well) picked up our baby and our small dog didn't think he should. She came really close to biting him and if I hadn't called her off I'm sure she would have. But we all knew that she wasn't really doing anything wrong. She was protecting her baby after all.
@Radicalpatriot (665)
• United States
19 Feb 07
Yes, I hear this all the time but the question remains the same: Can you watch your dog 24/7? Who takes the night shift? Are there times when you get sidetracked and the dog might get in trouble while you are preoccupied? I know a lot of dog owners that have miserable experiences with their pets becaue they turn their back but once and, bang, the neighbor's kid gets his arm almost bitten off.
@rajkumarrita (249)
• India
16 Feb 07
Well it is a Part of Life for me too.
As We don,t Know Whats Gonna Happen Next?
I was Also Chased by 3 Dogs,When i Was a Kid and Was About to get Bitten by the Dogs.
But i Was Saved by The Local Area Guys Roaming There.
They Just Came There and started Beatig the Dogs Using Sticks.
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@Radicalpatriot (665)
• United States
19 Feb 07
There is no greater terror than being confronted by a mean dog and having to run for your life.
@ShadowStalker002 (107)
• Philippines
16 Feb 07
oh my gosh! thats horrible! but i do hope you think every single one of them is like that. i never experienced anything that extreme! scary!
@Radicalpatriot (665)
• United States
17 Feb 07
No, not every dog will do something like this but they are all capable when circumstances call for them to react violently.
@seraphim_1991 (69)
• Philippines
16 Feb 07
Dogs are really scary when they dont know you but I dont want to see dogs being killed. They are long regarded as man's bestfriend. But we don't know the characteristics of the dogs even it is our own. We can just condition their minds but we cannot control it.Well maybe we cannot judge the owner of the dog since it left a traumatic experience to the owner and to the visitor. I cannot say that it is cruel since the dog almost kill the child. The best thing to do for the dog owners is to make sure that their dog is in chain when there are visitors. You are right just avoid the dogs that don't know you.
@Radicalpatriot (665)
• United States
19 Feb 07
But they maintained that chaining up the dog was cruel. I have no solution other than not having dogs to begin with.
@wisedragon (2325)
• Philippines
16 Feb 07
I'm so sorry for the poor child. Pitbulls are the most dangerous kinds of dogs, even worse than rottweilers. It's their nature to be aggressive and violent. Their jaws lock when they bite. The owner of the dog should have known this, and since they were expecting visitors they should have done something to prevent an attack, like putting the dog on a leash or inside a cage.
I wouldn't recommend having a pitbull for a pet. I hope the child is okay now.
@Radicalpatriot (665)
• United States
19 Feb 07
The child recovered physically but is a wreck emotionally, permanently fearful every time he even hears a dog bark, and he cannot bear to even look at a dog. If he sees one in the distance, he reflexively reverses direction and flees. It is a sad state of affairs and a livelong scar.
@sailokesh (2)
• India
16 Feb 07
i'm extremely sorry for what happened to that child, but in my opinion dogs are the best companians for human beings.... i myself hav a dog at home and i love it in a very special way...it's all in how u treat them.. dogs can be trained to be friendly as well as to be ferocious.. a dog which is treated very friendly will never behave violently...they are the most cutest living things in the world..."live and let live" is what i would suggest... accidents do happen and no accident is permanent nor will it is assured that it would occur again... so forgive and forget!!!
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@Radicalpatriot (665)
• United States
19 Feb 07
This dog in question was never, ever brutalized or even spoken to harshly and had no prior attack record whatsoever. It is a simplistic, generalized comfort zone you are inventing in your mind. And many dogs are ever "treated very friendly" if they soil or bite furniture or destroy a backyard garden. Yours is an idealistic and unrealistic vision.