Ernst Zundel sentenced to five years

United States
February 17, 2007 9:30am CST
I was reading on the web yesterday that Ernst Zundel had been sentenced to five years in jail in Germany. Ernst has not killed anybody and he has not stolen anything. His "crime" was having ideas and views on things and publicly saying them. Ernst is a German historian who has research the Third Reich and has come to the conclusion that the Holocaust really did not happen. He said so publicly. Do you think that a person should go to jail for five years just for having an opinion that people in power do not like? What do you think?
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@elisata (568)
• Netherlands
17 Feb 07
Apparently you are not European, or yo would not call this "just having an opinion"! After World War II Germany had to come a long way to getting on its feet again and to become a worthy partner of the other European countries. During the same period there were still Nazi-adepts who claimed the heritage of Hitler. Germany had to be very firm on that, since roots of this line of thinking apparently had not all be wielded yet. And we all know what that line of thinking led to... Any historians who do their homework and then still claim the Holocaust did not happen, are not worth the title of academic. The neo nazi's of this time are very fond of this kind of so called historians. I don't know who much history you had in school, but stating that this man has an opinion that the people in power "don't like" is either proof of you being a great naiv person, or you starting a discussion to which you know will come a lot of answers, or.... and I hope that is not at all the case, you agreeing with Ernst Zundel. Is the latter the case, I advice you to do some genuine reading and research for yourself, before following someone's crazy ideas. Zundel is not an accepted academic in Europe. Denying the Holocaust is forbidden all over Europe, not only by the "people in power" in Germany, so get a grip, please!!!
• Canada
19 Feb 07
You don't get it. This was a democratic government that made the law that denial of the holocaust is an offence. Freedom of speech is not necessarily unlimite.
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• United States
23 Feb 07
Freedom of speech is unlimited in a free and democratic society. Hitler and Stalin did not believe in freedom of speech either.
• United States
18 Feb 07
I am sorry that there does not seem to be real democracy over much of Europe. It does not really matter whether or not the Holocausr really happpened. What matters is that everyone has the basic right to freedom of religion and freedom of speech. When a government takes away your rights to express your opinion then that government is not democratic.
@cjsmom (1423)
• United States
17 Feb 07
I may not agree with what Ernst said but I think it's outragous that he was put in jail for even one day, let alone 5 years. I thought we had something called, 'freedom of speech'..?
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• Canada
18 Feb 07
He was extradited to Germany. In Germany it is against the law to demny the Hlocaust
• Canada
18 Feb 07
Who is "we"? You do realize this took place in Germany?
@jimotman (633)
• Indonesia
17 Feb 07
this is ridiculous! why would a man be jailed just because he talks about his opinion? I thought those are in the pass.. well, then we really should be really careful about what we talk, we shouldn't talk about things that are not mainstream. What about our freedom in blogging, will they put blogger to jails too?
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• United States
27 Feb 07
If we are not mainstream we are in danger of one day going to jail. We are all in danger from people who want to put us in jail just for expressing an opinion they do not like.
@sweetlady10 (3611)
• United States
17 Feb 07
If there is no criteria other than he stated his opinion about Holocaust, then it is wrong to send him jail. We should have our right to state our opinion in public as long as those words or thought does not abuse others.
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• Canada
18 Feb 07
No, you are wrong. The Holocaust happened in Germany. Zundel was extradited to Germany. It is against the law in Germany to deny the Holocaust.
@blueskies (1186)
• United States
18 Feb 07
From what I read here: http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/zundel/ inciting hate and denying the holocaust are both considered to be crimes in Germany. If he committed a crime, shouldn't he be put in jail? I'm not sure why there is outrage over his sentencing.
@shogunly (1397)
• Libya
18 Feb 07
It's so strange and remarkable : you can deny God all you want , you can defile all the religions and sacred objects of all humans and get away with it ,yet just denying or being not convinced about something that happened in the past deserves getting thrown in jail over . I wonder what would have happened if he denied the massacres by America in Vietnam ,or the massacres against the Native Americans ,or the massacres of Sabra and Shateela (commited by the jews) ,I wonder !
• Philippines
17 Feb 07
For us, who are enjoying a democratic form of government, such could never happen. But since their form of government is different from what we have, this incident had taken place. It will be good indeed, if each and everyone shall think it over deeply first, before opening their mouths to utter some things of importance. We maybe stepping on someone else's toes already.
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@elisata (568)
• Netherlands
17 Feb 07
Germany is as democratic is any other democratic country. Do you homework, please....
• United States
18 Feb 07
If Germany were really all that democratic, then it would not be against the law to say what you think with out going to jail for five years.
@shogunly (1397)
• Libya
18 Feb 07
That just proves that the vicelike grip of Zionists on Media is not only in conspiracy freaks' heads . I think if you are 100% sure something happened ,it doesn't matter what others believe , let alone ONE man . Unless you are afraid what he is saying is true ! .The Holocaust happened ,no doubt about it , HOWEVER : .1 it was obviously exploited so much and so well by the zionist colonial movement , one might suspect they had a hand in it . .2 there were MANY mass -murdering campaigns in history , why is that of the Jews most significant ? Because they have the Media ! .3 There is a lot of evidence indicating that Jewish ethnicity might NOT have been the ONLY criterion for selection for mass-murder . Also ,not ALL Jews were subject to that ,in fact there were some Jews on the OTHER SIDE !
@shogunly (1397)
• Libya
18 Feb 07
I do not intend to offend ,I only expressed what I think "might" be true . The other points about there being other outrages against various peoples is true ,but they hardly ever get the same coverage . There must be a reason for that ? Also prison in such a condition "to me" seems like an exaggeration . He might be some failed academic or a frustrated writer , but he could have been fined for example ,he does not deserve to be put where rapists ,thieves and murderers go .
• Canada
18 Feb 07
Your statements are outragious. I am so sick about the so-called Zionist conspiracy. Read up on the facts.Please! Ernst Zundel: Zundel was born in 1939 in Germany, came to Canada in 1958, was no academic, constantly published falshoods about the Holocaust, was denied Canadian citizenship twice, went to the USA, married a woman of German descent who keeps up his hatesite. When he attempted to return to Canada he was detained at the border and extradition proceedings were started. He fougt his extradition to the end, was deported to Germany. Germany is once more a democratic country,and had a law, that made Holocaust denial an offense. That is why he is in jail. As far as your other statement is concerned that implies Jews helped in the mass extermination of other jews, that is totally without foundation.
@loujac3 (1188)
• United States
18 Feb 07
Remember that crime that was commited lest we forget. If we do not learn from the mistakes of others then those mistakes will be repeated. Would you want to listen to someone spout off that distant relatives of yours were never murdered and that the holocaust never happened? It could have been you or yours that were murdered in cold blood and then you would speak different words. History needs to be taught and remembered to prevent the past repeating itself.
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@onesiobhan (1327)
• Canada
18 Feb 07
He's not a historian, he's a propagandist. Keep in mind that he is doing this in Germany. The "ideas" of a certain man and his followers is what led to the holocaust in the first place.
@cripfemme (7698)
• United States
2 Mar 07
As sick as this person's views make me (and, trust me, they do), I don't think anybody should go to jail for what they think or research they do.
@yanjiaren (9031)
17 Feb 07
well where is free speach on this one? the turkish govt has been denying the holovaust of the armenians in 1915 have they gone to prison for it? cos it's about the jews..it is anti semitic and offensive..what about the bosnians..the tutsi? and now the chadians? i love everyone including the jees..they are creation of God..what i abhore is the value given to a jewish life compared to other races..that stinks man..the guy may have offended some groups and maybe should not voice certain offensive things..but not go to prison for it..he hasn't incited racial hatred or is a member of any fanatical group..so he shouldn't be put away just for some historical findings he has unveiled..just my two cents..
• Canada
18 Feb 07
With all due respect, this has nothing to do with free speech. You better read up on your history. The holocaust was perpetrated by a highly evolved and apparently civilized people. Germany at the time was a world leader in art, music, and technology and yet they stooped so low to deny people the right to life. The fact is, that most of the 6 million people killed were Jewish,therefore, their suffering stands out. Have you ever been to the site of a former concentration camp? You will find the memorials include all the people who were killed. Roma and Sinti (gypsies), handicapped people, homosexuals, priests and pastors. These were such horrific crimes that when Germany became a democracy again a law was passed that makes it an offense to deny the holocaust. Zundel knew this full well and fought his extradition to Germany to the end, and yes he incited racial hatred, was a member of a fanatical group and he was no historian. All his writings can and have been disproved.
• United States
23 Feb 07
Dear Elisata, I am glad that you feel that freedom of speech needs to be defended adamantly in a democratic country.
@elisata (568)
• Netherlands
23 Feb 07
Lindalinda, I am so happy you agree with me that this has nothing to do with freedom of speech - which al democratic countries defend adamantly - but with brainwashing, not getting the facts right and neo nazi propaganda... I really felt a bit awkward to read about "democracy" and "freedom of speech" when apparently people don't know what they are talking about... I very much doubt history classes in th USA, Phillipines and where ever...
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@byfaithonly (10698)
• United States
17 Feb 07
I didn't know anything about this but being from America I firmly believe that everyone in the world should have the right to an opinion. It is sad there are countries that don't agree with this. I may not agree with what this man is saying but I do agree he has a right to say them as long as it doesn't hurt others.
@elisata (568)
• Netherlands
17 Feb 07
This kind of opinion DOES hurt other people: the survivers of the Holocaust and their children and grandchildren, and all the families of people who didn't survive... millions and millions of them! What are they teaching in history in school in America??? I am so AMAZED....
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• Canada
18 Feb 07
byfaithonly, You better study up on your history. The Holocust really happened and it is a crime all over Europe to deny it. It does hurt others if the Holocaust is denied.
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@lucy02 (5015)
• United States
17 Feb 07
We believe in right to free speech here in America but we are taught about the Holacost. I've only recently noticed people coming up with the idea that the Holacost didn't really happen. I think most people here know that it's ridiculous to say that it didn't happen.
• United States
18 Feb 07
This one is TOUGH to comment on because of the deep emotions that it evokes and the MULTIPLE issues that it touches on !!! To say that the Holocaust did not happen borders on lunacy or outright deception. He probably should go to a mental ward or just be IGNORED as we do CHILDREN who have NO CLUE to the ramifications of the statements that they make from time to time !!! "Free" speech does have limitations as any educated person knows. Zundel "has not killed anybody" --no, just DENIED that millions were !! Zundel "has not stolen anything" -- no, just trying to "steal" our historical memories !! His real "crime" is probably "inciting to riot" or some such thing, which is not allowed in many civilized countries.
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@DeathGods (100)
• Israel
18 Feb 07
its an okay punishment
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• United States
17 Feb 07
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