Do you think Marriage is a necessary?
By braided
@braided (698)
Canada
February 19, 2007 11:47am CST
I mean if two people love each other ... do we need a piece of paper to bind those two people together? Isn't that just a way for lawyers to make more money. Is marriage just another institution that costs a lot to plan and pay for. Couldnt we just have say our vowes before god and have a party? What would you rather have?
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@JulieSkyRock (401)
• Canada
20 Feb 07
Hi,
For me, marriage is not necessary. Two persons (gays or hetero) can live happily together even if their are not married. In the world of today. It's doesn't matter. We should be grateful for that right. Because in the time of our grandfathers and grandmothers, two persons had to be married to live together. It's not the case anymore. Marriage cost money, so don't get involve in it. I will only get married if and only if I meet a really rich man, like Anna Nicole Smith. If that never happen to me, then, I will never get married.
That's what I believe in. No institutions. Just naked love.
@thesportscritic (5)
• United States
20 Feb 07
I think marriage solidifies a love for one another between a man and a woman. It ties the knot permanately that they love each other and want to be together for the rest of their lives.
@Denmarkguy (1845)
• United States
20 Feb 07
Also playing "Devil's Advocate" here, for a moment-- being married doesn't seem to make anyone WANT to stay together. It may effectively KEEP some people together because they fear the complications of leaving... but does that really have anything to do with WANTING to be there?
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@Myrrdin (3599)
• Canada
19 Feb 07
I think that is a very personal thing. Some people might be perfectly happy never to have the piece of paper, but to others that piece of paper is very important. I know it was for me, now however I doubt the wisdom of it. I am not a religious person so the vows before god are not important, but rather vows to my partner and then on with the party, the legalities are unimportant.
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@Myrrdin (3599)
• Canada
19 Feb 07
I am not too sure why it was so important to me. I just thought it was something you had to do if you found the person you figured you'd be with for the rest of your life I thought the piece of paper was a way of declaring that to everyone and making it legal. Now I don't think its such a big deal, but I am not sure if that partly due to the betrayal I have experienced or just a change in my perspective.
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@braided (698)
• Canada
20 Feb 07
I guess it could be for both reasons ... i'm sure the disappointment could have something to do with it but also we grow up and realize what is important ... and a true committment and real love is way more important i'm sure, then the externial social technicalities like a ceromony and signing of papers ... I mean the paper obiviously wasn't seen as being that important to the your partner if she betrayed you .... the paper didnt keep her loyal .... i'm so sorry ... maybe you will be lucker next time .... thanks for sharing i really appreciate your honesty ...
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@smacksman (6053)
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19 Feb 07
If you think a marriage is no big deal and a divorce is probable then I agree with you, don't get married.
At the same time it would be better not to have children and much better not to own a house because they really create problems and put food in lawyer's mouths. And all the personal effects in a home - too much hassle, too much baggage.
Yep, best to live in a hotel and change partners every now and again while you are attractive.
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@Myrrdin (3599)
• Canada
19 Feb 07
I think your reply was cruel and mean spirited. The OP never suggested they wanted to switch partners every now and then, but just wondering if there was a point in being legally married vs. an oath to god and to your partner, no less binding to some people. Nowhere in the OP's comment was there anything about divorce being probable. I think you need to get off your high horse.
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@Denmarkguy (1845)
• United States
20 Feb 07
They say sarcasm is the lowest form of wit-- there was really nothing in the OP to warrant such an ascerbic tone. Just because someone has a different point of view doesn't make them a bad person.
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@imsilver (1665)
• Canada
19 Feb 07
I have to agree with you. I'm quite an anti-marriage person. All I see it as is a piece of paper. A wedding symbolizes before god, the law and your family that you two are together.
Being wicca.. the churches view of my relationship really doesn't matter to me.
In canada your common-law if you live with someone for 6 months (I believe) so legally we are classified as a couple.
And all our friends and family are already aware of the fact that we are together.
So why should we waste the money?
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@Denmarkguy (1845)
• United States
20 Feb 07
I have read this discussion from end to end... and I feel compelled to comment a second time, about a "trend" I've noticed here.
Well, not just HERE, but in the world that surrounds me, as well.
It strikes me that a LOT of people who are strong proponents of marriage, make statements about marriage "offering security" and "sealing the deal," and that if you have a legal marriage it gives you "rights" and you can "get what you deserve" from your partner, if the relationship fails.
Maybe I am out in left field on this... but what the heck are people doing, getting into relationships with ANYone if their underlying motivations (and this is just what it LOOKS like, from where I am sitting) include these thoughts of "trapping and exploiting" another person???? Doesn't that sound like "If I'm putting something in, I'm gonna get something out!" in not so many words?
Is that really LOVE? It certainly doesn't sound like UNCONDITIOAL love.
From over here, that looks a lot more like a mixture of insecurity and selfishness.
Let the flames begin.... :-D
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@coolsid2007 (1030)
• India
20 Feb 07
To be really honest with the comments of those who made a big propaganda in the favor of marraige ... did not give there best shot at it ... they have to realise its not just the tradition that they are following and so they should do it, but rather there is more to it and they enjoy that more to it part in marraige...
I've heard a lot about love and faith and unconditional love ... to be brutally honest "Love is any NUMBER of EMOTIONS and experiences related to a sense of strong affection or profound oneness..."
come on try to be honest here would you be with a person where you dont get what you are looking for? ,,, peace or security or need fulfillment .... every single relationship has a selfish note attached to it ...if it were not to be so ... many of us would have been like Mother Teresa, ..., we only live with the ones we want to and separate from the ones we dont want to live with ...
having said that marraige gives that extra sense of responsibility and maturity to be in a relationship... if marraige is seen as a burden it could not be lived with ... marraige takes a lots of sacrifices of one's needs ... if we werent married and just on the basis of trust and LOVE we live together ... its rather easier to fall apart ...
also
please let me know one good reason to not to get married,, Money is surely not good enough reason for me?
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@coolsid2007 (1030)
• India
21 Feb 07
I am afraid to say "Animals do not marry" as you referred... its humans who do... every so often i've wondered what makes people crazy about commiting themselves to a relationship!!! that is the real problem itself ... they are afraid of committing themselves to marraige!! afraid of being dejected or rejected somewhere deep inside the heart or mind,, they are insecure and unwilling to commit to a single person for their entire life!!
Just to save few buck you wont marry to a person whom you love!!! thats ridiculous!! atleast for me it is!!
... and as for arranged marraiges... that is individuals perspective at it ... its not how it sounds ...things have changed ... its just that we have managed to keep the changes under our own control ... I am in a relationship for 4 years now ... we met ourselves in college and now planning to get married just by involving elders of our respective families... and have an "ARRANGE MARRAIGE" ... its as simple as that
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@braided (698)
• Canada
21 Feb 07
Right on ...denmarkguy ... you know what you're talking about ... but sid you are talking way out in left field ... you are coming from a totally different perspective and different cultures with different values ... somewhere in the 1800 american and 1600 Europe ...
Did you know that marriage was an instituted deemed by the church to control the populus ? Come on now ..try to get with the program here ... some people believe the reason for marriage is to procriate and populate the planet but I dont believe thats what marriage is for ... thats not what two people are about thats what animals are about ... that maybe the end result of two people finding each other and loving each other but it shouldnt be the reason people get together in the first place. I mean there are still arranged marriages in this world we live in ... is that what you want? i mean what kind of marriage is that but for convience and grandchildren .... maybe these two will love each other but ... thats mid-evil mentallity as far as I'm concerned ... and you my friend sid .. are coming from a conformist and brain washed thinking of your society .... not looking at it with an open mind as to what it really is and why it was instituted in the first place ... to control the average person by the higher classes ...
@Denmarkguy (1845)
• United States
20 Feb 07
I suppose the answer is a matter of personal preference. For me, love and commitment don't require a "legal contract" to be validated. Marriage is perhaps more important and practical if you're planning to have children, but for two adults getting together after child bearing age it seems even less important.
My mom and stepdad have been "happily unmarried" for over 30 years. I haven't been married since 1995, but that doesn't mean I haven't had committed relationships.
In a sense, when I commit to you withOUT the marriage certificate, it feels like I'm choosing to renew that commitment EVERY DAY I come home to you. There's no piece of paper saying I "have to, or else."
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@CarlyLaine (759)
• United States
20 Feb 07
Denmarkguy
I agree with you. I have been happily unmarried for 3 years now. I love it.
Now, should he and I decide to marry. Then we decide call it off...and we have no money to involve a lawyer, who gets the divorce money?
The STATE! Government wants marriage to get extra money. They certainly know that the divorce rates are high. EVEN if you're jobless in OREGON you have to pay, but you can make installment payments til it is paid off.
My second was uncontested and it cost me $299. The state gets to keep the money.
I say live together. And I'll add more color to the mix, I hated the marriage thing as far back as the mid-sixties. And at that time it wasn't even known to me that people could\would just live together. I thought the paper certificate 'proving love' was just silly.
"I'm choosing to renew that commitment EVERY DAY I come home to you." That's more beautiful than saying I DO. You're a smart man Denmarkguy.
@braided (698)
• Canada
20 Feb 07
good point ..it leaves you feeling you are there cause you want to be there not because you have to be ... besides some people change after marriage ... I lived in s.korea where men were real romantics before marriage but most korean women will tell ya that after marriage their men changed drastically ... who needs that ??? not i!!!
@charmedone (593)
• United States
20 Feb 07
I don't see why it is so necessary. I have been with my man for 7yrs and we are not married. I don't need a peice of paper to show how much I love him. If we never get married it would not bother me. Back in the day people didn't need all the legal stuff to get married. It was a vowel they took with each other. I guess everbody to their own, I just don't see the big deal. I am the only one of my siblings that are not married and me and my man get along better than the rest of them. So marriage doesn't make the relationship.
@7nicole1 (1633)
• Canada
20 Feb 07
I have always found that people that get married always seem to let themselfs go after they are married for awhile. The reason I figure fo this is because they figure since they have the person locked into marriage then theres no need in trying anymore to impress them. I think if couples really want their relationships to work then they should just stay not married and I figure everything will work out nice.
@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
20 Feb 07
My parents were almost not married. They have always maintained that a union doesn't have to be sanctioned by the state in order to be blessed by God. However, when you looked at the many gay couples who are struggling to get a marriage liscense so they can have the legal protections that marraige offers, I would have to say that marraige is the best bet. If not, when you die, everything you own will have to go through probate before your chosen life's partner can get it. You have to have everything legally documented, down to end of life decisions and where your 401K will go. I think not being married is more money for the lawyers than legal marraige.
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@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
20 Feb 07
Because you have to spend money on hiring lawyers for wills and end of life doctrinations; custody requirements for any children you may have, making sure that all property is entitled to both individuals. Many states in the US do not have common law, so if you are not legally married you have no legal rights. Only lawyers can make sure that all the paperwork is in place to give those rights. Furthermore, when I got married, it costed me $25.00 for the marriage liscense and $50.00 for the Justice of the Peace fee to do the wedding.
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@braided (698)
• Canada
20 Feb 07
I want to have your comment viewed by the rest of the people in this discussion but i dont know how to remove the "mature content matter" on this ..??? sorry dont want to change the subject here just would like your views to be seen in this discussion ..thanks for your opinions ... help me understand your last comment tho .. how is not being married more money for the lawyers .. can ya explain that one for me ...??? thanks
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@XxAngelxX (2830)
• Canada
20 Feb 07
I don't think it's necessary but I do realize some people feel it is. Those who are very religious want to make their relationship "legal" in the eyes of God. Personally I've been there, done that, and thanks but no thanks I'm never doing it again, lol. I'm going to be happy to live the rest of my life in sin with never having to go through the hassle of getting married again.
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@braided (698)
• Canada
21 Feb 07
lol ... thats funny .. and i totally understand you ... smilin ...
And to all the others on this page who I haven't responded to individually ... I just want to say thank you for your input and I wish you well in your endevours in love and marriage and however you want to go about it ... thanks peace ...
@teamfreddy (150)
• Mexico
20 Feb 07
Commitment is what it all boils down to. Here in Mexico you are considered "married" by law if you are 10 or more years living under the same roof together. My wife cannot divorce me if I don't mow the lawn or don't wash the car, hahahaha.
We are not married, living together and feeling happier then most friends who went for all that you described above. No lawyers needed around us.
@sourav9 (122)
• India
20 Feb 07
Yes I think marriage is necessary. Because through marriage we can increase our population. In other respect unless you married you could not understand the responsibility of a father or mother towards their child.
I mean the maturity is not there unless you marry.
@Vonmousecat (2)
• United States
20 Feb 07
I think the marriage that we know of today, and the expectations associated with it, are twisted and tainted by the church. I have enormous faith. I love god, I feel a strong relationship with that energy. That doesn't mean I need to enter a church or sign a license to verify my love for a person.
I've heard alot of "Marriage is a financial agreement, and Marriage is an agreement to raise children"
I don't believe Marriage is necessary. The divorce rates in this country don't reflect an upset in our society's morals, rather the realization that we don't NEED marriage, and that remaining in a relationship with someone that makes you misearble is a ridiculous idea. I love love, True love, Enduring and unconditional love, but marriage and love are not one and the same. We are born alone, we die alone, and we are lucky to sometime in between meet someone who compliments and enlightens who we are. A friend, A lover, A partner. So many cling to the idea that we have to be married that they settle for strangers.
I would rather live alone than marry someone who is not the love of my life. I would rather live in love with my partner than get married for any other reason than to have an enormous celebration to recognize who we are to each other. And I would get married, If I knew somehow that it would last.... Rather than living in the world of outside expectations, or the tiny voices in our heads that tell us for some reason once we recite those vows everything will be different. After the party is over its still just the two of you, and you still have to work at your love, work for each other-- The idea of settling into boredom drives me nuts, but accepting that I want to sit and say nothing next to him and read the paper or stare out the window, That makes me want to get married for some reason.
Conflicting ideas. the old vs. the new, tradition vs. truth........ Church... BLah.
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@mommydearest (877)
• United States
20 Feb 07
I agree. All that is needed for 2 people to be recognized by God as married is to say their vows before Him. Everything has to involve so many legalities these days and it is purely for money.
@ReyM21 (281)
• Philippines
20 Feb 07
God honors government, He is the one who originally established it through His commandments. He recognizes the sanctity of marriage, that's why He created a male and a female to be in unison with His care and protection. Although it's just a paper, but this is under oath for both parties and authorized by your government. That's why there are people who designated to perform marriage rites (in presence of witnesses) not just whosoever. The paper you're referring is also for the benefit of the siblings you will born-- their legitimacy.
@rocky_alexis05 (63)
• Philippines
20 Feb 07
your question depends on the culture of your community. here in our country, marriage is very important especially when you two love birds want to live in a single home. marriage is a very big deal for us.
nevertheless, marriage is now becoming an option here but it is vital for them (women) to have that piece of paper as sooon as they or will have a kids.
as for me, it is important...
hope it helps...
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@sweetlife (52)
• United States
20 Feb 07
Up to you if you like have security feeling. It may not be true but at lest you will have mental satisfaction that it will stay for ever.
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@braided (698)
• Canada
20 Feb 07
Yes but legal bonds don't seem to be holding any humans together ... not in north america .... smilin ... you can't hold things together if the parties involved don't want to stay together ....even if they stay together phyiscally as them living in the same house ....... if their hearts arent together are they really together or just going through the motions?