Why people who believe in God avoid discussion?
By marzenna
@marzenna (253)
February 24, 2007 8:10am CST
We have some very interesting debates here. However I noticed that some of us drop their opinion and never respond if somebody try to discuss. It is not a debate if you say what you think and go. It is a monolog. I do believe in science but am very respectful towards other opinions but it is difficult to dabate if people don't respond. So what do you think? Why people who believe in God do can't debate with people who believe in science?
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@silverlou (372)
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24 Feb 07
Possibly because those whose religion rests solely upon faith do not need to debate the existence of God as it is by their own leap of faith which is beyond sciences' comprehension.
Science as we know has a beginning and an ending, God does not.
Although I do not follow or partake in any given religion I have faith in God for want of a better word, however if you were to debate this with me using scientific argument, all i can answer is I have little if any proof which would stand up to scientific discussion, but provide me a discussion based on the metaphysical interpretation then I can discuss.
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@marzenna (253)
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24 Feb 07
Thank you for the respond. As I said I do respoct other people opinions but think that if somebody doesn't need to debate he/her should not enter the debate site. I am glad you are different. I have to go now but will be back tomorrow and I look forward to discussions with you in whatever language possible.
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@marzenna (253)
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24 Feb 07
What I know about science is that it does not have an end. We believed hundrets years ago that the Earth is flat and science proved otherwise. Now all of us believe this whether religous or not. To say that something is beyond comprehension of science is not fair. It translates to me: I do believe that and if you not, you just not comprehend. Is that what you mean?
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@optimistic (28)
• Philippines
25 Feb 07
hmmm I have red a passage from one scientist who says "it is not proven that God really exist and it is not yet proven if there is really heaven or hell or God and evil.."
oh well... for meeh... it is our faith tested here. If you really believe in Him you'll know and you will fell that God really exist... ayt?
I don't think people who believe in God can't debate to a person who belieaves in science.. the point is... whats in the science that the believers Of God can't cope up with...
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@charms88 (7538)
• Philippines
25 Feb 07
I do partake in some discussions pertaining to religion. But some discussions goes beyond some theories that is difficult for me to comprehend. Some people may find this kind of discussion rather sensitive and prefer to keep their own opinions. I noticed one discussion posted recently questioning about the existence of God. Many mylotters gave in their responses but the one who posted the discussion began launching into some kind of scientific theories challenging each one to give a more precise explanation. Not all mylotters were keen on those things so we chose to stay out of that discussion.
@marzenna (253)
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26 Feb 07
I know what you mean. I also 'met' this person but I find him fascinating. He has knowlege that I admire although not always follow. The question is then why people don't learn from him. Anyway. I was not starting this level of discussion. I only got annoyed with people putting for some slogans eg. God is watching you, he loves you, he is a creator, he will punish those who do chose not to believe...and when I asked simple questions like 'what about children who have been born in atheistic families-will be they also punish?'...no answer. Poor-don't you agree?
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@sincere (178)
• India
24 Feb 07
This world is made of three sort of people,one completely believe in god,other in science and another in both.LOl! you cant debate over the matter which have only two aspect like head and tail if someone thinks that coin has only head and other said it has tail only then you cant change their mantelity.Similarly its happening with people believe in god \science.
@marzenna (253)
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24 Feb 07
I tend to disagree with you. I do not believe in God at the moment but I am also open for any discussions and if somebody convince me of egsistance of a supernature being I will belive it. Unfortunately some people are saying it is...full stop and some search for ansvers. Do you search for answers?
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@sada_bahar (122)
• United Arab Emirates
25 Feb 07
I think its not the matter that who believe in God and avoind discussion. there are only two things matter
may be other person did not like the topic
or may be he is not sure in his speach
other wise you can knowldge from any body and discussion on any tipic clarifies your openion as well.
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@lovein (345)
• India
25 Feb 07
One having have awareness of science
only responds when some one asked a question.
Similarly One who has faith on God, also
responds, if he has been asked a question.
Again it is Science or Math, when we speak a lots and
write a lots when we are not asked for, our awareness
will not have any values at all.
It is upto you. You will answer a question or answer a answer.
Thanks
@shemb1 (464)
• Sri Lanka
25 Feb 07
hey this is somekind of hard thing to speak to us becauae sometimes it s going bit harder ot someone and easy for someone also. so what ever if there is God in here or not belive on personal opinion and opinion comes by people's back ground, knowlwdgw, what they learnet from others, and their religion also. it is hard thing to talk in here but we can take something to imporove our life in what ever things from here. what do you think friend about this?
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@marzenna (253)
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26 Feb 07
Yes I do agree with you. It is hard to discuss something that you just believe despite any logic. And I do respect other peoples opinion. It is just annoying that some members of this website start the debate and do not want to debate. If believing in something improve somebodies life...well good for him/her. However in my opinion it would be better for the person to make the life better ( and I do not mean money) for them and others instead of waisting enegry for something that my or may not exists. If he exists he would for sure appreciate that. Or not?
@Kangleicha (376)
• India
24 Feb 07
I don't know why you are keeping science and God separately. Science is a manifestation which God made. And if you believe in science, and if you understand science, then you would also believe in God.
About not giving opinions, maybe that is because there is a saying which says, "Don't try to make a fool intelligent, for that is never going to happen."
Most of the attitude the God believers have is 'If you don't believe, don't believe, I believe so I believe. No harm done, we go on our own ways.'
@marzenna (253)
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24 Feb 07
I am glad that you are this type of God believers. The most what I read is if you do not believe you will be panished. I keep science separately only as the believers tend to deny the scientific facts as evolution. If God is a manifestation which God made, why is there resistance to scientific facts?
The only reason I would like to debate is my interests in other peoles opinions. I can learn a lot from that and I believe that if God would exist He would like me to learn and explore his fantastic univers. Do you agree with that?
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@Tetchie (2932)
• Australia
25 Feb 07
If it is a debate you are wanting, be it in relation to religion or politics or whatever subject, why not put it in the DEBATING section. Otherwise it is just a bashing of beliefs. That is hurtful and lacks integrity by all parties.
@InnocentHavok (26)
• United States
25 Feb 07
I am not religiouse, and I guess you could say I believe in science. I can't believe that some spirit created everything and left absolutely no proof of his existance but wanted us to worship him. That's just lame.
And to top that man has turned what should be something good, like religion, and changed it, added things, twisted and manipulated things, played on words, untill the entire religion is an oxy-moron.
For example, the first and second testiment of the christian bible completely contradict themselves in like a million places. And even still, why should I take to heart words written by another man? Could they not be lies?
So, please, someone respond. Someone debate and answer our questions.
@Lavendyr (44)
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25 Feb 07
I think there are a lot of reasons why some people "drop" their opinion and never respond, but I don't think that it is simply to do with people who believe in God avoiding discussion. Many of us have very busy lives and cannot always be sitting at the keyboard to reply, or cannot attend to every thread that we want to respond to. And sometimes even if you are sitting there and reading the thread in question, you can't think how to say exactly what you want to say, or don't have the energy to think of a good response.
For me, it takes me a long time to respond to any question regarding religion, because I want to try and express my views clearly and I want to try and make a good answer - something that actually makes sense and will contribute to the discussion. It's a very important topic for me and so it's something worth spending time thinking about. Which means that my replies about religion often take me longer to construct.
Furthermore, I most certainly would not shy away from debating about religion and science. But I don't see why you separate the two. Having a faith does not mean that you cannot believe in science! My partner is a scientist and a Christian. I know many many people who are in science-related jobs who are religious. The one does not prohibit the other. Remember that in past times, religion was what prompted much scientific research and discovery. Of course, that is not to say that everyone holds this view, but it's certainly not true to create a dichotomy between "people who believe in God" and "people who believe in science" - because very often, you will find people who believe in both these things at once.
It's my belief that God created the world, and that he created humans, and that he gave us consciousness and intelligence. It is also my belief that the creation of the world (as described in Genesis) equates to evolution, and I am not at all opposed to Darwinian theory, for instance. I believe that when we create all the wonderful things we create, and when we discover all the wonderful things we discover, that the things we discover were all created or made possible by God, and that we are still learning about all the amazing possibilities that are out there. :) In that respect I cannot see that belief in religion and science are mutually exclusive.
@Lavendyr (44)
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26 Feb 07
I do agree that sometimes religious people back away from an argument. If you believe in something, it is a topic very close to your heart and sometimes it can be difficult not to get upset and let your feelings get in the way of the discussion. But I still believe that this goes both ways - those with faith are not the only ones to walk away from discussions. I've just as often had discussions with non-religious folk who have tried to stop or avoid the discussion, or to drop it and talk about something else. And I've been on both sides of the fence, having been brought up atheist and only converted a couple of years ago. ;)
At the end of the day religion is a very passionate subject and it elicits a lot of passionate feelings and beliefs from all sides. Remember that to believe that there is NO God is as much of a belief as to believe that there is a God, after all, because God's presence is not something that any of us are able to prove. So whatever you believe, it does remain a belief and something to be challenged and considered. And I think discussion is a very positive thing and can be very faith-affirming. It can also lead you to question, and I always think that is a good thing, as I believe everyone should question what they believe.
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@marzenna (253)
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26 Feb 07
Thank you very much for you respond. I do understand that we all have limited time for debating. As you see I am not spending my entire time on writing on here. I try to do my best and respond to everyone who was kind enough to respond. It take me also more time as, as you see English is not my native language. I do not intend to create a dichotomy between people who believe in God and people who believe in science. I just noticed that some of people believers drop the slogans and go away if once try to take on their discussions.
also for me it would be ideal if religion would agree with scientific facts. I respect anyones opinions but I get too often the religious people attacking the science. Not the oposite.
@mmiller26 (1930)
• Canada
24 Feb 07
This site isn't always easy to navigate, and I've answered so many questions already that I cannot possibly go back to check on each one to see if someone responded to what I said. I wrote a HUGE response to a question about abortion the other day and have checked back numerous times, but there has been no response. So I've stopped checking. I imagine other people do the same as well.
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@ArsonCuff (3114)
• United States
25 Feb 07
overall it is a waste of time for both sides...get on with life...ect.
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@raijin (10345)
• Philippines
25 Feb 07
I'm a Christian and I believe on my religion. I have read the bible and I believe that it provided me the informations to what I should believe in, I don't have to show proof because there is no visual proof, only the faith in it is what's important, the main reason of the word 'believe'. I believe in His excistence and His holiness, I believe that He will punish all those who mocks and criticize Him.
My religion is Christian, and Christians do not go to a point to discuss, argue, and debate, it is against to what the bible has taught us. Believing is already enough to prove that God does exist. And science is nothing but just man's teachings, it way out from what religion is..
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@marzenna (253)
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26 Feb 07
Well. Good for you. And I really respect anybodies opinion. However I started this discussion because I answered some messages in the debate section and find out that the people who started it did not want to debate it at all. Waste of time. If you have faith in a supernatural being...good for you but do not start a debate if you are not prepared to debate. Don't you agree? I believe in science but do not disrespect others opinions diferent to mine. Unfortunately I feel that many God-believers disrespect science-believers and what you said is just a prove of that.
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@oarnamav (2708)
• India
25 Feb 07
It's not true for all users in mylot.
You look quite junior in mylot as per the rating as 18 in the braces, once you will work for a couple of months you would see few sincere users too.
If you are very much specific in the manner you said in your discussion, you please be little selective about the users as well as the topics, then only you would be satisfied with the comments added by the user who starts the discussion and recieves your responses.
If you just go on responding to all users then it's likely that few greedy users may not add any comment to your response.
Their intention in starting the discussion is just to gain a little more than the response.
Please have a look at the "users by rating" right below your avatar the bottom most link when you log in.
The users who have a rating of 10000 and above mentain a good descipline.
I shall wait for your comment whether you liked my writing or what?
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@manong05 (5027)
• Philippines
25 Feb 07
Maybe because some believers in God see no point in debating the issue of the existence of God. I can prove to you the existence of God if you can prove to me that God doesn't exist sort of thing. Questions raised will only raise more questions and so forth and so on. It can never reach a conclusive and definitive answer.
Believers in the existence of God are not satisfied with the arguments proposed by the non-believers and vice versa and best we can do is to just express what we believe and don't believe and agree to disagree. And the limitation of time and space in mylot is not conducive to a meaningful debate anyway. This debate has been unresolved for centuries and debates on the issue in the context of mylotting can not produce a better and different result than our predecessors in the real world. It will only lead to more misunderstanding.
Personally I believe in science and I also believe in a Supreme Being who is the Creator of everything. I don't view them as contradicting each other. I love meaningful dialogue if done in a proper forum.
I also love hearing people's opinions though there's nothing new from what I've heard and read before.
A friendly inter-belief (or non-belief)dialogue is what we need. We can address the issues objectively and at the end of the day, we can both shakes hands and agree to disagree. Shoving other people's beliefs in someone else's throat is uncalled for.
@marzenna (253)
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26 Feb 07
Well if some believers see no point in discussing the existance of God, they should not start the debate. Anyway. Please prove to me that God does exists. I am very interested in the proves. As to me to prove that he does not exists...How do you prove that a teapot does not fly around Mars? I do not believe in god's non existance...I just do not believe that he does as there is not indication for his existance. However I have to stress that I do respect other people opinion and if you believe in a teapot or God...well good for you.
@byefareed (14)
• Mauritius
26 Feb 07
Because at some stage it is recommanded to stop talking. Because of the other party don't want to accept the logics,and insists on some point which can be useless to move forward.
@avanti0410 (24)
• India
25 Feb 07
I think people who believe in god...do believe in science as well because the laws of nature are created by god...right..but it all depends on human nature whether they beleive it or not...they just believe that they cannot go against the wishes of god..so all are not the same...everybody will try to respond depending on their interest.
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@marzenna (253)
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26 Feb 07
Thank you for the responce...but what about evolution? Majority of God-belevers deny evolution. Science deny existance or supernatural being as it has not be proven by scientific mathods so far. Maybe one day it will be proven (by scientific methods) that such a being exists and I will very welcome this but it did not happend jet
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