Everybody is welcome at mylot, regardless their English proficiency!
By chiquitita
@chiquitita (1226)
Indonesia
February 27, 2007 4:07am CST
I quote that sentence from mylot's discussions guidelines. Just want to remind people that it is against the guidelines to critic/comment one's English ability here in mylot. I have seen a couple of discussions concerning people who are annoyed by other's bad grammar, inapropriate sentence etc. I myself am not good enough in English, but I am trying to be better, and so are the other non English users out there. English is not our native language, and everyday we are in the process of learning more and more. I think it is okay to make mistakes here and there when you are learning something. I dont think people should underestimate us by saying "I am tired of people who cant speak proper english". You wont say "I am tired of kids who cant read properly" to kids who are learning to read, right? And it is the same thing, that both us and the kids are learning. And mylot is not an online version of English class in school. What do you say? :)
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44 responses
@xabimaru (340)
• Malaysia
27 Feb 07
I am totally and absolutely agree with you hon. It sometimes makes me a bit irritated when i saw discussion in myLot about people using grammar here. In fact they even choose not to response to the discussion which have this. Come on, try to figure out what are they trying to say here although their spelling and grammar are poor, is not hard isn't?
It's not that everyone here can speak and write english very well. In fact they use myLot to improvise their english skill. Be a good myLotter and share the joy of being so many countrymen here in myLot. Okay?
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@chiquitita (1226)
• Indonesia
27 Feb 07
That's a very noble thing to do if they are willing to take their time to understand the point of the discussion. But if they dont want to, then it's ok. Better look for another discussion then :)
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@xabimaru (340)
• Malaysia
1 Mar 07
Lol... Yeah there are a load load more discussion with out the grammar and spelling error here in myLot. Just take a pick and answer then. Sure will make you busy. Hey, the best part is, you don't have to figure out what are the non-follow-grammar people wanna say and you don't have to put-in letter to the misspell words LOL....
@rsa101 (38166)
• Philippines
28 Feb 07
Good post! I too have passed by that post saying negatively to those that could not write well. I read it but I never replied since I too am affected and feel discriminated for nto being able to write good english. I am happy that you stood up and I guess you've earned some good responses from everybody in here.
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@chiquitita (1226)
• Indonesia
28 Feb 07
Thanks a lot! I am glad peope do understand what I am trying to explain. And I am grateful that I get positive feedbacks from those who in fact are the English native speakers. That is a real wonderful thing!
@sahira (1071)
• Philippines
28 Feb 07
Thank you because you open this kind of discussion,yes i have also noticed one discussion about that underestamating users of mylot who used wrong grammar and inappropriate sentences,when i saw that i felt ashamed because i myself really not good in english and always mention that in other topic,in the first place i'm not a native speaker of english and they should understand that,i used to response to some discussions because i want to share my own ideas even i know that my grammar and use of words are not appropriate.I trying my best to learn more in english..But one thing for sure,i'm very much proud because i can understand and i can speak english though not that good,even i am not an english man..what if those who commented us,do they can speak my own language?do they can speak filipino?chinese,arabic?i don't think so.
@chiquitita (1226)
• Indonesia
28 Feb 07
language is one of the most difficult thing to learn. You can learn to drive in a week, but language, it takes years to be fluent. So you dont need to be ashamed. For instance, Bahasa Indonesia is my native language, so it's easy for me, the same thing goes for English which is their native language and is easy for them. But I do deeply appreciate for the English native speakers who ignores our mistakes and keep on motivating us to be better. cheers to all of you!
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@14missy (3183)
• Australia
27 Feb 07
I agree with you. I am a english speaking person (if you can call Aussies proper english) and don't generally have any problems here on mylot. I find it totally interesting at the diversity of people here and am learning other things on here all the time, even if it just the difference in the collecting of trash in your area. Congratulations for having a go. I would have trouble writing only in french (this was the second language I learned at school) so I congratulate anyone that is trying to improve their skills in any way.
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@chiquitita (1226)
• Indonesia
27 Feb 07
People who learn a foreign language (like you) will understand why it's sometimes difficult to express ourself with the language that we dont speak in daily life. You have brought a lot of good point and yes, no matter how difficult it is, learning foreign language really worths it. Cheers!
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@rosaflorence (1924)
• United States
28 Feb 07
thank you for saying this. I need you in my other sites that I visit. I am an American and sometimes I get my words confused or don't type it right. I never criticize someone because of their English and if you want to get technical about it then hardly anyone speaks proper English.
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@KaMlBob (786)
• United States
27 Feb 07
Although I was born and raised in the United States, I still make writing/typing mistakes1 I have forgotten some rules of our words and I transpose letters while typing. Many times I do not proof read and just submit a post!
I am glad mylot has that policy, when I was over on Yahoo answers and questions, people were very snide about others accidental mis-pelling and mistakes!
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@chiquitita (1226)
• Indonesia
27 Feb 07
Well, I agree with you that mylot has such policy about grammar in discussions. It's all in guidelines, but there are still people who forgot about that. Let's just be fair, and just like us, they're just making a little mistakes :) Regards.
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@maryannemax (12156)
• Sweden
27 Feb 07
it's true. not even people who live and grew up in a place where english is their primary language is 100% perfect when it comes to spellings and grammars. so, i don't think that it's appropriate and necessary for us to criticize each other here when it comes to such a point.
what i just don't like are people intentionally trying to shorten the words. it's obvious that they do know how to spell. they just are lazy to type down the complete letters of the words. just like me, there are times when i don't get some of the words who are typed like "text messages". i hope people take efforts in typing down the words completely.
an error committed unintentionally is different from errors done intentionally. and i hope people take some time and put a little effort in spellings words completely.
mylot is an open community to everybody. let's do our share here and understand each others' shortcomings.
@chiquitita (1226)
• Indonesia
27 Feb 07
I dont like people who shortened the words as well. This is not a place for smsing. And that's the difference between 'mistake or typing error' and 'lazyness'. Good point, maryannemax!
@god_spear (498)
• Philippines
27 Feb 07
Yes,people should not critisize other if tehy notice that some of them are not well verse in english eventhough it is the international language, there were people who are very nationalistic and they dont want to learn english, so we cant force them to do that. People who were very good in this language should be thankful because they have the gift of it. So better correct them if they can in a good way of correcting. Here in our community in mylot we can help people or ask them in a polite manner how to correct it, maybe its one way of being helpful to our members.I am not really very good in english and im trying very hard to post it in with a correct grammar and spelling, as much as possible i re-read it. When i joined here i learned a lot in constructing proper sentences.Members keep on posting as long as we can understand it, if we cant it ok i try to read it anyway.
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@chiquitita (1226)
• Indonesia
27 Feb 07
I agree, it's all stated in the guidelines very clearly. I think instead of complaining maybe they can just ignore it and look for another discussion.
@grebsie (69)
•
28 Feb 07
I know where you coming from.I was just wondering that myLot isn't providing Check Spelling while writing a comment.It would be essential to have it,people could correct the text they're writing and also could learn from it.Don't you think it would be a good idea to aknowledge myLot management and ask for it ?
@chiquitita (1226)
• Indonesia
28 Feb 07
I think that is a very wonderful idea! Let me tell you an experience, I used mozilla firefox and when I typed misspelled words on the response box, it began to red- underlined the words automatically which means it needed to be corrected. Is it just me or somebody else also experience it, I dont know. But if that's true, then I suggest another user to use firefox as browser. I'd love to, but since I access the internet from my cellphone, I have no other choice but to use Opera.
@KrisNY (7590)
• United States
27 Feb 07
I think your English is great. I too agree that mylot is for everyone. I say Bravo to people here that try their hardest. We do have to remember that English is not everyone's first language.
I also have to say that the people who are bringing this up also have the right not to respond or correspond with people who don't speak proper English. It is 100% their choice what they answer.
I try to respond to any discussions that interest me. If I cannot understand what the poster is trying to say then I simply move on. I don't judge them.
I cannot imagine trying to learn another language. I took 4 years of French in high school and to tell you the truth I remember very little. Certainly not enough to write in French.
Again I say keep on learning and hopefully all people will respond to all users- even the ones with poor English.
@chiquitita (1226)
• Indonesia
28 Feb 07
I am glad you understand that it is not easy to express our thoughts in a foreign language. Not all of us are bilingual. Even mylot isnt bilingual, that's why we are not allowed to post discussions/responses other than in English. I think it's ok if people dont want to respond topics that they cant even understand what the starter is trying to say, they have the right to choose which ones they are to respond. I mean better read the guidelines before they complain lol. Regards!
@shilpaum (1752)
• India
28 Feb 07
I support u.People who are annoyed by other's bad grammar, inapropriate sentence etc. why go on reading such discussion. They should search dicussions with good English. As from my part, not because I'm not perfect/good in English,but everybody should get same respect here on mylot.We shouldn't distinguish on the basis of language. English is not the language for all countries,each has its own mother tounge. Its really okay to make mistakes here and there when you are learning something.
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@shoyebpathan (74)
• India
27 Feb 07
I absolutely agree with you. People will always make mistake while learning something. And I feel that it is the responsibility of all those people who are good at a particular thing to encourage and help people who are learning it, instead of criticizing and discouraging them. I see myLot as a place where people like you and me who are not very comfortable with the English get a very good chance to respond to discussions and try and improve our communication.
Cheers to myLot...
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@visforever (19)
• India
28 Feb 07
ENGLISHHH?????!!!! u ask for english grammar????? WAKE UP
this is not at allllll realated to wat category your grammar is...this is just bout makin money by posting nething n evrything...like u see my post itslf is sorta fullof slang wrds n all...BUT WAD DA HECK??!!...even if i type the same word in different patterns...i m makin money...GOD KNOWS how mylot.com benefits from this...for example:
bored drobe deorb broed bedro broed debor dober doreb....i think u got da point....but y fret over da grammar?????as long as da point is understood...let it be cool...
@chiquitita (1226)
• Indonesia
28 Feb 07
I didnt ask about grammar.. So better carefully read the discussion, before deciding to respond it. I am sorry but what you said was clearly unrelated to the topic.
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@NatureBoy (493)
• Singapore
28 Feb 07
My thoughts are, English is a language. Languages get better when you use them. I would encourage more people to converse. Reading more discussions that are properly phrased and communicated will be a big help to those learning English. Come in to learn! The best things that you can gain from doing something is to learn something else in the process. If in visiting MY LOT and you improve your English, come more often !!
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@sanjeev8302 (126)
• India
28 Feb 07
English mistakes in mylot is acceptable but to the extent that the meaning of the sentence is proper & to the point. Surely, everone does not know English & they learn. But while answering in the mylot forum, one should make sure that the meaning is proper & in sense. Because that much is the essential ingridient of this forum. Otherwise the very charm of this forum will be lost.
@Stiletto (4579)
•
27 Feb 07
I quite agree with you chiquitita - I admire non-English speakers that have the confidence to come on here and post. If people are irritated by the lack of correct grammar or spelling errors, etc then they don't have to respond but personally I'm more irritated when I see bad spelling and grammar coming from someone who does have English as their mother tongue.
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@maryannemax (12156)
• Sweden
27 Feb 07
i go with your point stiletto. it's true that most non-english speakers here in mylot have much confidence and put lots of efforts to try and have their views explained well in english even if they can hardly find the right words to say. people like them are really admired by me since they do give their best and fit in with the community. oh, by the way, i am one of those who are non-english speakers.
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@matlgal (1686)
• United States
28 Feb 07
I think that what most are trying to convey in that they are tired of the People who's first Language is English and they are blatantly abusing it. Not checking for errors, not thinking through a thought and typing it to make sense to all. I admire those of you who are trying to learn our very difficult language. I speak ONLY English and wish I knew some other.
I think what most are trying to say is make better Quality in what your trying to say as oppossed to not having the right command of the English Language.
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@DavidReedy (2378)
• United States
28 Feb 07
Your English looks quite beautiful to me. The fact that you are bilingual (or more proficient than that even) is very awesome. A thought: those people who criticize others, especially for something as trivial as others' usage of language--the one's criticizing are just small-minded, so people like yourself, and myself, we need to occupy our minds (and our hearts) with greater thoughts. Afterall, we cannot and must not continue to think like those who have nothing better to do than criticize. The fact that you're standing up for the underdog is awesome, so don't get me wrong. What I'm saying is this:
Why don't we think of the greater things? Like Love, and life, and an infinite cosmos? Should we consider the power of hope and the power of the human mind? Let us marvel at the glory and wonder of God, and meanwhile look around at how beautiful and filled with opportunity this whole world is.
your smile, for example, is beautiful, and let us consider what kind of thoughts and feelings inspire such smiles and how we can spread smiles like that around the globe.
I ramble--I know. Great post. Instead of us being like those who are naysayers, let us look to greater things, and instill hope, Love, power, freedom, innovation, and happiness wherever we go.
David A. Reedy... 02/28/07
@nowment (1757)
• United States
27 Feb 07
Well as an american, I doubt I have ever used proper english. And to be honest, I tend to think those who are trying to communicate in a language not their own should be encouraged. I personally barely passed any of the required foriegn language courses in school. I just do not have the aptitude for it.
For those who have a real problem with the posts that are not gramatically correct, they need to try to do their post in another language and see how well they do before becoming critical of others.
This was a good post, and well written. I may not like those posts where people who do understand and speak the language but seem to be incapable of writing those who use the computer slang, are the ones I have a problem with but I simply choose to not answer or read those posts, since hopefully the concept of freedom of choice is more than just a concept.
So for those who choose to write in computer slang, I choose not to read, for those who obviously are writing english as a second language, if it is to difficult to read I move on, if not I can only envy them the ability to learn a second language.
Very nice post you have here, and I thought the anology helped make your point very well.
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@maddysmommy (16230)
• United States
27 Feb 07
I totally agree with you thats why I ignore the discussions that go on about people not being able to write in English properly. If you don't understand the post or answer to the discussion, then ask for more clarification - its as simple as that. English is my first language and I'm still learning! Have a nice day!
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@danielmaftei (6)
• Romania
27 Feb 07
Hi,
I`m new on myLot and my english isn`t so good too.
I agree with all of you that isn`t correct for native-english speakers to offense the foreigners for their mistakes. More usefull is to correct them, choosing a friendly when they do that.
Don`t forget that some people learn a lot in short time, but others don`t.