Is It Possible To Help Someone Who Refuses To Help Themself?
By biwasaki
@biwasaki (1745)
United States
March 2, 2007 3:35pm CST
I've seen a lot of discussions lately from people who are the spouse or caregiver of another person that has an illness or disease of some kind. In each of these discussions, the person who is ill refuses to follow the advice of their doctors or take the steps necessary to make their illness manageable.
Do you think it's possible to help someone with an illness get better if they are unwilling to help themselves? Would you stick around and watch that person's health deteriorate knowing that there is nothing that you can do to help them? Why or why not?
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24 responses
@SageMother (2277)
• United States
2 Mar 07
I don't think it is ETHICAL to help someone who will not help themselves. They are making a decision about how their life is to be handled. It is no one's right to force a different path on them.
In situations where there is a spouse involved, it is important for the caregiver or the healthy spouse to make a few adjustments in how they approach things, assuming they want to stay with the patient. Restoring activities that had been put aside in favor of caring for the ill spouse would be a great step. If you aren't available tho witness the suffering then the patient loses an audience and may change their mind about how to proceed, and the well spouse begins to build a life outside of the relationship.
No matter what we do, when life begins to deteriorate, regardless of the reason, it is going to be difficult. Adding barriers to the transitions tha twill take place is truly a waste of time. I woul delect to try and enjoy what I could of thepatient for as long as possible, respecting their wishes.
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@kokopelli (4842)
• United States
2 Mar 07
it's hard to help someone who doesn't even want the help given him/her. it's next to impossible to get that person out of his/her situation coz he/she had given up on it. however, there are times when someone can change that mind-set, and that's where you can start to input the help. the first thing to work on is to remove their negativity, their pessimism, and instead, instill faith in them. if you succeed on that, then the rest would be easy. yes, it may be very difficult, but is possible. to help people like that, one just needs patience, determination, persistence, and lots of love.
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@katisaurus (1038)
• Canada
3 Mar 07
This is normally where I'd say "If they don't want help. Why bother?" But having a boyfriend who's sort of in that situation.. (He's actually in a "I just can't help myself. and I won't see a doctor" stage) I can't say that. You can't HELP anyone. You can encourage them to take the advice their doctor's given them, or the help their doctor's given them, but you can't force them. I would never ever leave someone who's in need of aid but won't help themselves, that just makes it worse.
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@katisaurus (1038)
• Canada
3 Mar 07
I would suppose it depends on the person. I mean, my boyfriend, sometimes his problems cause me stress, but I'd never give up. I don't think I'd ever be able to just give up on someone, especially if there was a possibility for a positive outcome. Sometimes encouragement and knowing another person cares is all a person needs. You just have to watch and see how it's affecting them. Personally, they can refuse all they want, but when it comes down they'll be thanking you if they've managed to see the light and get help.
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@artistmel2000 (438)
• United States
2 Mar 07
I think that old saying, "You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink" is appropriate. You can only help someone as much as they want to help him- or herself. If that person knows what to do yet refuses to do it, then there isn't much you can do short of tricking them or conning them into doing it. My father, for example, ha been diabetic for most of my life. He has had a below-the-knee amputation and has had several toes amputated from his other foot. This is a direct result of his worsening diabetes condition that he refuses to monitor and control. When I was diagnosed with diabetes, I took my medications, I watched what I ate, and I have since been able to come off of the insulin and take only the oral med for the disease. I've had terrible arguments with my father about his refusal to control his diabetes, but he states he is close to dying and he will eat whatever he wants. Not much I can do if he refuses to take care of himself.
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@biwasaki (1745)
• United States
2 Mar 07
I went through a similar situation with my father. He knew for many years that he was diabetic, yet continued to eat and do what he pleased. It wasn't until he was put on dialysis three times a week that he started to watch what he ate. He stayed on dialysis for about a year before he passed away due to diabetes-related complications.
I'm glad that he realized that what he was doing did make a difference, even if it came towards the end of his life.
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@akopoto (177)
• Philippines
3 Mar 07
It is really hard to convicnce people with this kind of behavior to take the necessary actions to prevent their health from deteriorationg furhter. I think I learned this kind of behavior in our psychology class. I think some people may dislay this kind of behavior because they can't accept the fact that they are ill. This is called denial. It is a pyschological defense mechanism for people who's afraid to accept the truth. Take for example a cancer patient who refuses to take medication because he/she believes that he/she has no such illness, but there is a way to help them. Comforting them would probably be the best way to convince them that accepting the truth is for their own good. This will show your support for them.
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@kernscynthia (2)
• United States
3 Mar 07
Depending on the illness, and upon how much you care about the afflicted person, there are things you could do to greatly improve their health, without their needing to approve, or even know.
An example in mind is with my mother. For about 20 years she lived close to agricultural acreage in Oxnard, California, USA. There was heavy spraying of pesticides almost daily, and her health was suffering greatly. She is diabetic and hypertensive, with a host of other health problems. She also had a rock head, and would do nothing about moving or saving her health.
I became a salesperson for an air filtration product, so effective that it qualifies as a medical device by the FDA. She was allowed to buy it at my cost. The results were immediate and dramatic. She is now 82 and going strong, with the device still in her room.
Now the "why not". Everyone is entitled to the best quality of life possible, and NO ONE can make you remain in abusive circumstances. Often those ill become extremely resentful and hateful to their caretakers, causing them great pain and suffering. I would ultimately say, that if the person ill is SO obstinate, refuses to get better, and wants to make your life a living hell, save yourself, knowing you did everything humanly possible. Martyrdom is overrated.
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@biwasaki (1745)
• United States
3 Mar 07
Thanks for your opinion. I agree that at some point you would need to make a decision on leaving the person or staying and suffering with them. If they are absolutely determined not to help themselves, then nothing you say or do would ever be able to change that.
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@mikeyr6000le (2123)
• United States
3 Mar 07
No, I don't think it is possiable to help someone that refuses to help themselves. You can't force someone to do what the doctor tells them. you can't force them to make the right choice. People need to want to change or be helped before they can actually get it.
Would I stick around with the person who's health is getting worse and refuses help? Yes, I would because i probably really care for that person. That might make them want to get help, then i would still be there for them when and if they do.
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@TerryZ (22076)
• United States
3 Mar 07
You have to help yourself if you want to get well. You cant rely on other people to get you well. You must be postive and be willing to do everything in your power to get better again. The only thing another person can do is give you hope.
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@johnbutty (30)
• Nigeria
3 Mar 07
yes,it is possible to help them and to let them understand the the reason you have to help them out.........howevere,the world is full of friends and friends is to help one another...
@007Bond1974 (881)
• Philippines
3 Mar 07
In my opinion empathy without assistance is useless...assistance is made to effect with the cooperation of the one assisted.otherwise nothing can be achieved..its like asking a rock to move aside the road...its useless...more so if the source of the refusal is a stuburn hopelessness...peace!
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@yanjiaren (9031)
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2 Mar 07
II would stick by them whatever the decision they took ut all the while i would be nudging and coaxing them to change their mind if i could. I would not want them to be in a place where they might leave the world without that love and respect they would get from me. That would be a hell of a lot worse and far more difficult to face. I couldn't desert them no.
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@stateroad (730)
• United States
2 Mar 07
It is hard to take care of and be around a person
who will not take treatment. I still hand around them
and offer whatever help or support, encouragement I can.
The people I take care of are terminal patients and they
refuse treatment that prolongs their life. I support them
even though I do not agree with then all the time.
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@retardedrugrat (4791)
• Canada
3 Mar 07
It's hard to help ANYONE who doesn't want to be helped, regardless of whether they're ill or not.
I had a friend in the States who was having an online relationship with someone from Australia. This relationship really was never meant to be right from the start. They argued almost every day, and she'd come to me crying and asking what she should do.
I only ever stated what I would do if I were in her shoes. I never told her what she HAD to do, and as far as I was aware, she understood that.
Then, we fell out. Over something ridiculously stupid. And I received three emails from her full of abuse and saying how I tried to split them up and this that, and the other. I finally emailed her back and said either quit emailing me this Sh!t or I'm going to report you to your email service provider. I also said goodbye and wished her well in life.
I haven't heard from her since then, but one of her friends keeps in touch with me. She says that she's still dating this same guy and things are just as bad as ever between them. Seems to me some people don't really want to be helped, they just like the attention.
Ccompletely different scenario to what you were asking for I know, but its the only one I have to share.
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@wendy82 (437)
• United States
3 Mar 07
No, you can not help someone that is not willing to help themselves. Yes I would stand by them and help them and tell them that I am not going to work hard to help them if they are not willing to help themselves. That they have to be bond and strong. That they can accomplish anything if they put your mind to it. Because nothing in this word is free.
@iinvention (646)
• India
3 Mar 07
They must be made to understand that, if their health condition becomes worse, their family members are also affected mentally and physically. Everyone in the family will like the goodwill of the other. They should take care, so that their family members are not disturbed
@kayesteph08 (174)
• Philippines
3 Mar 07
well i is very difficult to help someone if he doesnt help himself.bu you don have to easily give up o help someone if he doesn listen to you.all you need to do is encourage him to verbalize his feelings..and talk o him and listen.in order to gain trust with him.and later he will listen to your advices
@ciaosamson (541)
• Philippines
3 Mar 07
It is difficult to help someone who doesn't want to help themselves. We must make them realize that they need our help.
It is important to remember that sick people are not only dealing with physical pain but also with emotional stress. We should help them with the emotional factor first. This, I think, is the most difficult part because it requires a whole lot of patience and understanding. Coping emotionally is not an overnight thing. It goes on until the patient physically heals.
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@ciaosamson (541)
• Philippines
3 Mar 07
It's very difficult to help someone who doesn't want your help. These people are stubborn and should see reason.
I think the first step in helping them should be to make them realize that they need your help. It may require a whole lot of patience and understanding because sick people are not only going through physical pain but also emotional dilemma. We should first deal with the emotional factor. After that things will be easier for you both.
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@fxfriski (209)
• Singapore
3 Mar 07
No, you can't help those who don't help themselves. Although you can influence them if you know how.
Most people don't listen to advice because they already have a predetermined solution. If you look around, you can see many posters are more "friendly" with those that support their original actions rather than those that do not.
And there are not looking for solutions, they are looking for attention and significance. And last but not least those with scarcity mindset... life's short, enjoy while you can.
And there are those who don't listen due to communications and EGO. Some people are unable to take "commands" from other. And of course there are those who think they know everything or choses to ignore until reality show up right in their face.
Apart from illness, there are a lot of discussions that deals with the children, spouse, dog, cat problems.
All you can offer on the net is merely a bunch of words.
Would I hang around? Maybe... if I can handle the pain. It's a very tiring task.
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@netboy1212 (29)
• Canada
3 Mar 07
I think its not possible to help someone with an illness get better if they are unwilling to help themselves cuz whats the point of helping them if they cant help themselves.
I wouldnt stick around to watch that person's health deteriorate as i want to find some way to help that person.