Is College Worth it?

United States
March 6, 2007 5:34pm CST
Besides a degree, are you really getting what you paid for? It is always assumed that higher education knows what it is doing. Yet only 63% of entering freshman will graduate from college within six years. And out of the graduates that were tested for their knowledge only 31% were able to complete basic tasks at a proficient level. These college's need to have better standards and be held acountable just like the K-12 schools.
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4 responses
7 Mar 07
I am aware that some of my comments will not endear me to my American friends, but would ask that they read to the end of my posting, before launching into a vitriolic attack on me. Throughout the world, the American university system has been the laughing stock of the education community, and is often publicly pilloried in the media and on tv across the world. The lower end of the quality scale have long been seen as more interested in having a successful sports team (whether it be American Football, Basketball or Athletics), and would admit anyone who could throw a ball, or run fast, rather than favouring intelligence. The Ivy League establishments are far more interested in your ancestry, advantage to netwwotking, and your families personal wealth, not intelligence. Whilst my experience is that there is a lot of truth to the above generalisations, it should not be taken to the extreme. There are many very intelligent students, working hard to attain their qualifications, who would excel at any establishment in the world. There are a couple of political reasons behind maintaining a lesser standard than you may feel suitable for the USs further education establishments, and these can be 'spun' in opposite ways;1/ By lowering the entry standards, you open up the availability of further study to s greater number of citizens, which is good. (or, you devalue the final cerification, and those who excelled will be put on a par with lesser candidates, making the piece of paper attained, worthless). 2/These people are not taking up jobs, whilst they are studying, which allows greater prospects in the workplace for all (or, these people do not work, but are not reflected on the unemployment figures, and as above, the more in education, the bigger the saving on the Unemployment Data). 3/ An educated electorate is an asset to a country (or, governments are scared of an intelligent electorate, it is easier to pull the wool over peoples eyes, when they are nort intelligent. And, as a bonus, you have an ignorant electorate, which due to meaningless degrees, thinks it's an intelligent electorate). What is most frightening, is that the UK government discovered these same 3 truths, and the UKs university system us rapidly going down the pan, too. From age 16 onwards, it is actually a superb achievement of some note, if you manage to fail an exam. Our education system used to be the envy of the world, with our GCE 'O' & 'A' level examinations being sat across the globe, as the true gold-standard of education. Our current government has so badly screwed up the whole system, that they are now thinking about adopting the French Bacca Laureate! We, also, have Loughborough University, which adopted the principle of sport over intelligence 25 years ago. And our universities are over-flowing with people of sometimes dubious ability studying such magnificently useful degrees as Media Studies (Telly watching) and Sports Studies (We called it PE in my day). Unfortunately, nowadays, if you want your child to gain a first class education, you would have to move to India or Japan. I hope this came over as sympathetic and balanced, as I have often been incorrectly accused of anti-Americanism, and that was certainly not my intention. I have just tried to be honest. All the best.
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8 Mar 07
Mrniceguy, if the US education system is so good, why are all the best minds having to come to America. This solely reflects that all the best minds in the world are being bred, raised and educated outside of America, and that with a population of more than 30 million people, the American education system is not producing any great minds! I believe that you are a student, and having proven both the point of Adrenochromes posting, you perfectly reflect the concerns raised in the original discussion. You are a fine example of someone at university who should still be in kindergarten.
@MrNiceGuy (4141)
• United States
7 Mar 07
Weird that the smartest people in the world come to the US then... Hmmm... You have no idea about American schools because you are not in America. Sports athletes is your argument? Pffft.
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8 Mar 07
Mrniceguy, didn't Stephen Hawkins come to the UK to study? Also, the 'brain drain' is due to pay, not desire to leave ones own country. Strangely, whilst there are many great minds within the US, most of the worlds significant inventions and research have been carried out elsewhere. The UK has been a massive influence in innovation, despite being a small country with only a fifth the population of the USA. Whilst the rest of the world are great inventors, the US has excelled in taking those ideas and running with them, less research but more development. My comments were not about schools, but further education establishments, and I don't need to be American to have experience of them, I have often lectured in them. I also mark examination papers from around the world including the US. So unlike an American who only has experience of their own education system, I am in a position to offer a comparative evaluation, measuring them alongside Asian, Oriental and European establishments. If I were to be about to study a degree, I should head to India or Japan, as these two countries are a beacon to the world, and an example many other countries (US and UK included) would be wise to follow.
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@cher913 (25782)
• Canada
6 Mar 07
and yet these are the people that are getting the job...my husband has had over 25 experience in the same field but cannot find a job because he has no letters after his name...he went to community college instead of university! How sad is that?
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• United States
6 Mar 07
exactly in my oppinion your husband should get the job before a college grad who is still wet behind the ears and has no knowledge as to the innner workings of that specific company.
@cher913 (25782)
• Canada
14 Mar 07
thanks for the best response nod :-)
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@skyblade (482)
• United States
6 Mar 07
In the long run, yes it is worth it, for the mere fact that there are more opportunities for the college-educated. While the starting salaries for college-educated and non college-educated may be very similar, college-educated folks will get promoted faster, more often, at a higher rate than non college-educated folks. Colleges do have standards and grade accordingly. Many people breeze through college by just doing the bare minimum, and it is no wonder these people aren't able to complete basic tasks. It is up to employers to decide how valuable a person's education is to the position they are hiring for. I think employer's need to put more emphasis on a person's GPA instead of just acknowledging that the person has a degree.
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• United States
6 Mar 07
you have a good point. But all Im saying is for all that money you are paying or your parents are paying these colleges you deserve a better education than what most of them are getting compared to the smaller less expensive Technical colleges that give a better education in the feild you are going for.
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@skyblade (482)
• United States
7 Mar 07
I'm a big proponent of "You get out what you put into it."
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• Philippines
6 Mar 07
Yes, and you can get better job if you are college graduate.
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• United States
6 Mar 07
not entirely true. But in most cases yes.
7 Mar 07
I'm not familiar with the job market in the USA, but in the UK, we were told this as fact, yet an organisation carried out a study here, last year, and found that many graduates earnings were not elevated sufficiently to offset the debts they accrued in fees and expenses. It also pointed out that the people who did not attend college/university would start at a lower level, but would gain from the years spent within the company, gaining progression and promotion. This is particulaly more common today, than previously, because many companies wish to train and mould their own staff to their own needs, and find that some graduates can be less flexinle due to their independent ideology, created through further education.
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