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I think that both of them are shady and manipulatative. Oh, and liars. For example, Hillary Clinton gave a speech for an Abortion Rights conference, or women's rights, but her speech was about Abortion. I heard the speech, it was disgusting. Then, turns around and now that she's running for President, tries to act like she's a mother hen and she cares about religion and church. Bill Clinton...ah, he's one for the record books. He turned the White House into a playyard. Yes, lots of men cheat...but they shouldn't cheat, in the oval office with a girl young enough to be his daughter. Oh, and on tax payer money...Then try to say that he didn't do anything inproper. Come on. Plus the fact that just recently, within the past couple of weeks, they failed to report $5 million in contributions. That is shady and manipulative to me. As far as the Bush Administration...I go back and forth with them. I do like the fact that Donald Rumsfeld is no longer Sec. of State, but I think he should have been replaced at least two years ago. I like the improvements that Bush has made concerning Schools and education. I also like the fact that Bush supports our military, the military families, and believes in God and Church and has from the beginning. Not just when it's election season.

tarsadawn, I'm a mom of 3 and I am pro-choice--I know longer subscribe to organized religion as I see to many hypocrites that subscribe to them, and I would rather script my life using common sense, goodwill, tolerance, charity and respect. Oh and I'm a military dependent of almost 19 years now. I respect your views and opinions about the Clintons. However, you might like to find yourself a copy of the "Stars and Stripes", which is a newspaper that is produced for the military. You'd be interested in noting that, on a majority, you'd be surprised to learn that military and their families do not agree or like Bush and his administration. As for supporting the troops, he supports them so well by constantly de-funding programs that go to help and assist the over 23,000 wounded soldiers that have returned home from his war based on lies. Over my 19 years as a military spouse, I've had the pleasure of seeing Bush senior and his vice pres, Clinton and Gore and Hillary, make visits to our bases where we were stationed. This president doesn't make his rounds unless he needs a photo op and then he refuses to allow the event to be open to all troops and their families, he only allows those that are registered Republican. His wife visited our base almost a year ago, and because he is so unpopular with the troops, they did have to finally mandate the troops to go to her speech event, so as not to look bad--but it was originally only open to those troops who were registered republican. To me, that is a slap in every troops face and why our nation is so divided. To me it is an honor to get to see your president, your Commander in Chief, despite your political affiliation. This president is leaving a bad taste in even his own parties mouth. As for his Christianity, you must remember that he only returned to God after years of sinning as a drunk, where he attended a bible retreat for a few weeks with a close friend and returned to God. Then coincidentally went into pursuing politics shortly after. One might see this as phoney and a tool to gain support amongst the religious sect and it worked. So, don't say he was always a man that was spiritual--because even he doesn't admit to that, he made mistakes and then used relgion to help get him elected. Sure, Clinton was a skirt chaser, but that is for his wife to deal with, and many spouses find their way to forgiving their husbands and staying with them--I wouldn't have LOL. If we were to dissect political figures going all the way back to our founding fathers--we would be hardpressed to find one that didn't have some sort of skeleton in their closet or negative quality. Politics bring out dirty dealing and it is truly one of the faults of our government. Thanks for the discussion, and again I am not here to try to change your opinion, in fact, I probably agree with you on some of your stands where the Clintons are concerned.

Well I feel better to know the info's false. Like I mentioned in one of my threads you replied to, I'm new to the forum scene -- as well as the internet one by a few years..so I don't know as much as many other folks. Thanks for telling me about it being much like the chainmail junk which goes around our emails today. I think nearly every leader of a nation or government's going to be about money and power..so they'll probably always be shady..I guess it just degrees to what degree of shady we end up with. *shrugs*

Well you know how I feel. Not a big fan is putting it mildly for me. I do not dislike alot of people in this world, but I have to say, I dislike them. I actually come closer to liking Bill than Hillary. Very interesting, very interesting indeed.