Quoting from the scriptures isn't scary.

@SplitZip (1488)
Portugal
March 7, 2007 7:52pm CST
I generally don't have a problem with religious people, as long as they lead their lives as they please and let others be. But every now and then, you cross paths with someone who, out of the blue, goes into some religious tirade, talking about "Our Lord" and quoting passages from the Bible like some trained parrot. A lot of these people don't study theology, they are church mice who just know the passages by heart from years of having them hammered into their ears by priests and reading them in bed at night, night after night. They do not question what they take for granted, they are not interested in discussing anything, they just seem to think that quoting from the scriptures makes them seem authoritative and that it proves some sort of point -- I suppose it's what they call an "argument from authority", but if you're not religious, the authority just isn't there, and the whole affair progresses from slightly amusing to severely annoying. Since any discussion is futile, you just have to nod (yes or no will do) and slowly walk away, leaving the raving nut quoting from the good book to the Holy Ghost. That is the worst problem with religion: you are not required to think and you're not supposed to question the dogmas of the faith. People have died throughout History for doing this. But if you're a well-trained parrot, then you're a valuable asset. What a depressing outlook for religion as a whole. And religion is an interesting topic, but these silly people suck all the fun out of it with their pointless playback babble.
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• Ireland
8 Mar 07
This also drives me bananas. I frequently have people calling to my door and before I open my mouth they launch into quites from the bible. I used to stand and listen and then say to them "Are you finished, because I have work to do". They would then hand me a magazine and ask me to read it. Now I get very annoyed with so many of them calling and I don't like getting into discussions about religion so I just interrupt them and tell them to go away.
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@addysmum (1225)
• Canada
8 Mar 07
I studied with one of the door knocking religions for a short time. Not for me but for the client that I had, she couldn't go out of the house due to her illness and missed having bible study. They travel in pairs for safety, normally a man with the woman or 2 men but 2 women if the area is safe. They do the door knocking because the bible says that Jesus told the disciples to go and make more disciples. I just think the whole thing is funny, I am a believer in God and Jesus but I question everything surrounding religion and it's blind faith in the bible. There is no logic to blind faith. The next time someone knocks to talk bible try this. Tell them that the bible says "Beware of wolves in sheep's clothing." then just close the door. Most likely they won't come back, they don't like having scripture used to stop them. My mother -in-law a minister goes into prayer with them standing right there, asking God to show them the true light and meaning of his words. This also makes them run screaming and not come back.
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@SplitZip (1488)
• Portugal
10 Mar 07
(LOL) I don't think I could do that to the nice old ladies, I mean, they're a royal pain in the *ss, but they're still nice old ladies... even though they are creepy when they're sermonizing! The safety thing might be true, but over here, most old men don't seem to be too attached to religion as old women are. So most of the people who hand out magazines and knock on people's doors are usually old ladies.
@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
8 Mar 07
Ugh! What bothers me is that Christians who quote the Bible to me always seem to expect that someday I will just say "Yay! You've convinced me! I want to be saved now!" even though I've read the Bible myself numerous times and it hasn't had that affect. I am religious myself actually, but my religion is a very personal one, and certainly not "organized", at least in modern times. Still, I believe that my spiritual life is enhanced by studying, questioning, and learned, rather than diminished by it. I am always willing to listen to others talk about their religions, and am always respectful to such people, assuming they behave the same way towards me. Sadly, most of the time they simply want to tell me about their religion and then plug their ears when I talk about my own. The other thing that really gets me is when people use Bible verses to justify their opinions on basic human rights issues that have nothing to do with religion. It just makes me want to slap people when they use their religion as an excuse to limit the rights of others, or to "protect" freedom of religion, but only their religion.
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@SplitZip (1488)
• Portugal
10 Mar 07
Yes, it's a basic lack of respect :( And the salvation thing... well, some religions are all about the salvation of the soul. Maybe not much has changed since they sent missionaries to save the souls of native Americans...
• United States
8 Mar 07
I know exactly what you are talking about when you say nod yes or no. Then you hope you get a pause and can run away. They really don't have their own opinion they do just quote what they know. I think of them more like sheep then church mice. Sheep just follow the heard, are all looked over by one person, then are shaved and eaten at the end. Sound familuar to religon? they call the lord their shepard, so that would make them the sheep. All saying the same thing over and over baaa baaaa.
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@SplitZip (1488)
• Portugal
10 Mar 07
I actually like the sheep herd metaphor ;) It generally applies to communities, countries, families, etc. It's not all bad to be part of a community where someone is watching by to make sure everyone is safe from harm. But yes, look for that nodding break and run!
@AskAlly (3625)
• Canada
9 Mar 07
I wish all the trained parrots had an understanding of what they are spouting. And the fanatasism does not seem to be strictly a christian problem either. I was raised in one of those parrot enviroments. I loathed it. To me it took away from the simplicity of what the bible had to say. The only "verse" that I would ever quote, would be one of the 10 commandments. Love thy neighbor as thyself. What a perfect world we could live in.
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@SplitZip (1488)
• Portugal
10 Mar 07
True, it's not restricted to one religion... or any other kind of creed. Fanatics are everyone and come in many shapes ;) Most of the 10 commandments are good advice in general, it's just common sense :)
@uath13 (8192)
• United States
8 Mar 07
I have no problem with people having various religions but if I want to hear about it I'll come to your church, Don't knock on my door and start preaching. Back when I lived in town we got these "Bible thumpers" knocking on the door all the time. At the appartment we'd often see three different groups a night. If you tried to question them about anything besides when the next service was you could attend they got evasive. After a while my wife and I got tired of it and started messing with them. We'd notice them coming and make a chalk outline on the walk surrounded by their brochures ( we had a lot at this point ) a puddle of blood and police tape. My favorite was when a group came up as I was working on some of my armor. I had most of it on when I answered the door, saw who it was and called to my wife " Honey, the sacrafice is here ". They turned white and ran. All in fun... Fortuanatly since we've moved to the country we haven't seen any of them.
@starr4all (2863)
8 Mar 07
Too bad you didn't get a picture of it! It sounds priceless!
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@SplitZip (1488)
• Portugal
10 Mar 07
I think that would just get odd looks from them, if I tried it! (LOL)
@Stringbean (1273)
• United States
8 Mar 07
It always amazes me that some people don't mind a bit listening to some acquaintance relating every detail of the latest movie they have seen, but they object to another acquainted mentioning God, the Bible, or anything that has to do with religion. It seems a bit like a double standard. Don't Christians have the right to mention what interests them when everyone else has the right to discuss anything they please? What makes you think that people who quote some scripture to you have not studied what they are quoting, and that you are not required to think if you are religious. God tells us very plainly in the book of James that we are to study the scriptures and to find out if the things that our leaders tell us are true or not. I grant you that you may have occasionally come across a raving fanatic like you describe, but I doubt very much that it happens often. There seems to be something about hearing scripture or opinions about things God says in His word that makes people uncomfortable, because they know that they have rejected what God has to say and are afraid to face the consequences of their rejection.
@addysmum (1225)
• Canada
8 Mar 07
Stringbean your right. I find that if someone starts talking God people tune out fast without giving the speaker a chance to explain the ideas that triggered the talk. The door knockers bug me when they come back time and time again when they have been told I am not interested. It bugs me when I say I'm not interested in their literature and they say "so your not interested in your salvation" they are presuming that I don't have God in my life. It bugs me when they won't talk but through around quotes and get angry when people try to speak their mind if it differs from what they are saying. I am more then interested in a sensible talk about God and theology. There are places for those talks; work and in the company of people who aren't interested is not the place. Just as some people don't want to hear about the blood and guts in the latest horror flick, not everyone what's to here about God. A person that has their own thoughts and can defend them with more then just "the bible says, the minister says" is someone I like to talk to. Faith is faith, it means believing in something strongly, but a solid ground to go on helps people want to listen when they want to talk.
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@SplitZip (1488)
• Portugal
10 Mar 07
"the bible says, the minister says" Touché!
@SplitZip (1488)
• Portugal
8 Mar 07
When you are talking about cookies and someone start invoking the wrath of God, isn't that a bit WEIRD, to say the least? I'm interested in discussing religion with people who aren't fanatics. Studying the Bible isn't the same as memorizing passages from the book. People who study the Bible and religious matters usually go to College or a Seminar. This is NOT the case of most of these people, as I said. The ones who do study theology are concerned with the different interpretations of the Bible (and there are plenty, contrary to what the fanatics think). It happens more often than you'd think! It's not the quoting of the scriptures that makes people uncomfortable (that's a bit presumptuous to assume, and it's exactly the kind of argument that I detest), it's the fact that these people shove their religious fanaticism down our throats when we didn't ask for it. It's pushy and rude. I'm not religious, but I don't go around pushing atheism down religious' people's throats. I have no need for it. If people are happy with their religion, it's fine by me. Tolerance and respect, that's all I'm saying.
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@1grnthmb (2055)
• United States
8 Mar 07
The churches that I have belonged to always taught that you should not take anything anyone said without making sure they were teaching the truth. You researched it and studied it and confronted a person if you found that they were wrong in what they are teaching. One thing that a lot of Bible Thumpers need to learn is to take the scriptures in contexs. Do you know that you could prove that the moon was madfe out of green cheese just by quoating scripture. But the verse says it is "like green cheese." A true christian does not follow blindly because the "Blind will lead the blind." A true christian "studies deligently trying all spirits."
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@SplitZip (1488)
• Portugal
10 Mar 07
Oh, yes, there are plenty of things to discuss, especially concerning all the different translations (it's interesting to compare them in terms of meaning/interpretation), but as you said, and I agree, they are not interested in that...
@vanities (11395)
• Davao, Philippines
8 Mar 07
well thats a great observation you got in there..anyway its your opinion on those people nobodys debating you on that one...but i have only one comment on this observation of yours...everyone too has the right to know the passage by heart and be a parrot as what you have named it here..it will do no good in debating about religion here..what is more important is are we leading a life that is good and morally accepted in the community..have we not step on others toe during our struggles to live...
@SplitZip (1488)
• Portugal
10 Mar 07
They can be a "Bible-parrot", sure, but I don't have to be forced to listen or agree with their approach ;) I'm not so sure about the moral acceptance of a community, because sometimes communities have rotten values. So it's best to find our own values and hope that they are good ones.
• United States
8 Mar 07
this is why even though i am a Christian i do not belong to any organised denomination .too many people call them selves Christians but are just churched they know little about the real Jesus and his beliefs!he himself accused folks of following there traditions more than him and sory to say many are still doing it!
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@SplitZip (1488)
• Portugal
10 Mar 07
Agreed (see above) :)
@foxyfire33 (10005)
• United States
8 Mar 07
To quote you: That is the worst problem with religion: you are not required to think and you're not supposed to question the dogmas of the faith. This is why I do not care for organized religion and no longer attend a church. I am curious by nature and enjoy learning. I understand the concept of believing by faith but see no reason not to seek knowledge about the subject instead of just accepting everything as fact because someone tells you it is. Quoting scriptures can be a good thing IF the person you're quoting to is accepting of those scriptures. Otherwise it's no different than preaching Ferberizing to an Attached Parenting supporter. They will not listen and be annoyed just like you said. I think the people that do this are generally overzealous believers that think they must convert the world but also harmless and passionate about their faith. The ones that bother me most are the ones that refuse to discuss anything other than their personal beliefs. It seems as though they are afraid of alternative opinions. The last time I spoke with the pastor of my former church, I asked him to explain why the Da Vinci code controversy could not be a possibility at all. His only response was that it couldn't be true because it just couldn't be. I didn't consider that an explanation and pressed for more. He told me there was nothing more to say about it and he didn't want to waste his time discussing lies. I find this to be a very closed minded way of thinking. I have no problem defending my beliefs but will only do it if I can back it up with more than scripture or a vague opinion.
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@SplitZip (1488)
• Portugal
8 Mar 07
"Otherwise it's no different than preaching Ferberizing to an Attached Parenting supporter." I'm going to quote you at some point! :D I'm not so sure of how harmless some of them are. One is harmless, a group of them may do some damage. Large groups of intolerant people are always a potential source of trouble. Your pastor seems like a good example of what I'm describing. I actually didn't get why so many people threw a fit over that book, it's not like the concept of Jesus being married or having children hasn't been introduced before. If anything, it's an entertaining notion! The same with the famous gospel of Judas.
• United States
8 Mar 07
"Our Lord" said,"You seek the scriptures that you might have life; but you refuse to come to me." So maybe it's not about religion-or a book-maybe it's about a relationship with Jesus. I agree totally! We all have to find our own way there; and cramming "words" down someone's throat isn't gonna do it.
@SplitZip (1488)
• Portugal
10 Mar 07
I wouldn't say that we all have to become religious people, but I agree with the last part :)
@carpenter5 (6782)
• United States
8 Mar 07
First of all, there is a big difference between a pastor and a priest. I do not pray to a priest. I pray to God. Not everyone who is a Christian rants and raves. Most of us have minds that we use to make decisions for ourselves. I do not condemn someone becuase of their religious views, or their lack of them. I don't think how many scriptures you can quote is the weight of how good a Christian you are. In some instances it closes doors rather than opening them. And yes, I am a Christian and I am very involved with my church and devout in my faith. I do not "Door Knock" and try to shove my religion down someone else's throat. I do not think that if you don't believe exactly as I do that you have no hope. that is contrary to what my bible teaches, and contrary to what I believe God intended.
@SplitZip (1488)
• Portugal
10 Mar 07
Didn't think I was comparing priests or pastors to God, but now that you mention it, in many country villages and deeply religious areas, people almost do that! Priests over here still have a LOT of authority, people almost worship them. Again, probably because they don't truly understand their own religion and just memorize certain things and direct their misguided efforts at others in unpleasant ways. There is also a lot of politics involved, which is scary for a secular state... Anyway, as I posted previously, I'm ok with religious people as long as they are not fanatics who feel the need to convert the world by force.
8 Mar 07
I myself have witnessed this so called tirade, I do believe in God and a whole lot of other things but I don't expect people to believe or behave the same way as I do, as long as nobody is offended by that then there shouldn't be an issue, the problem is so many of these so called religious people are so wound up in it that they start condeming people outside it and then strongly support and justify a lot of wrong doings that take place within their religion. I believe good is good and bad is bad, ignorance is a sin that a lot of people use in their denial to try and convince as well as twist words around to get people round to their way of thinking.
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@SplitZip (1488)
• Portugal
10 Mar 07
I think you've summed it up pretty nicely :) Since you only have 1 post, I think I'll give you the best response, as a welcome to myLot ;) Post more often!
• United States
8 Mar 07
I think scripture is just scriputre, woth out the life to go with it..... In order to quote scripture to someone you have to be able to show them your living a christian life. If your not that a hypercrite(SP) right....God didnt just f=give us scripture...He gave us his word to study, learn and TO LIVE BY...... Thats what I think about this topic....Learn it, love it and live by it...... The Bible is the only guide we have through out life...
@SplitZip (1488)
• Portugal
10 Mar 07
That's one opinion. I believe we all have to find our own way in life, some people find guidance in religion, others find other ways.
@dhel74 (25)
• Philippines
8 Mar 07
Religion, perse, cannot save our soul. What is important is a personal relationship with the Lord.....
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• Philippines
8 Mar 07
Hi, Splitzip! I am fortunate enough to have found a religion where you can question the pastor Everything about faith. And his answers are all supported by the bible. You are so true! Churchgoers go home with the same attitude and point of view. I learned to put faith on God more. I learned to know him better because in our church, verses are explained word for word.
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@SplitZip (1488)
• Portugal
8 Mar 07
Some pastors/priests are more liberal than others, I suppose. I know of a priest that associates with communists and tries to deconstruct some myths spread by the Vatican... naturally, he's been shunned by the Church and is no longer assigned to a parish, so he dedicates his life to his community and to writing books. He's got an interesting website too. And he's someone who has his own view on religion and he doesn't seem to be afraid of questioning things. When people sometimes write to him, he publishes the replies on the site and he frequently says "You're my kind of atheist!". Well, he's my kind of catholic! :D I think in any matter, it's best to take your own conclusions. You can ask others and seek council, but it's important to make up your own mind.