Clarifying atheism and anti-theism.
By omnithought
@omnithought (199)
United States
March 16, 2007 9:04pm CST
Most people believe that atheists believe there is no god. This is not true.
The atheist simply lacks belief in a god. They don't say there isn't one. They just simply don't hold a belief that there is a god.
Anti-theists are the ones who claim there is no god. They are the ones that most people mistakenly call atheists.
Unfortunately, the error in terminology is committed by atheists, religious people and anti-theists everywhere.
See, the prefix "a-" means "without". The prefix "anti-" means against.
Anti-theism could perhaps be considered a religion or belief system. Atheism can't, as it is the lack of beliefs, not belief against.
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
17 Mar 07
Have I mentiened how awesome you are? What a lovely clarification. I think there are a lot of people who need to hear it. If I have to hear one more word about "Those atheists who hate theists" I'm going to scream. And I'm neither atheist nor anti-theist.
Thanks for adding some intelligence to Mylot.
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@friendship (2084)
• Canada
18 Mar 07
I can't get the definition of anti-theism in any dictionary. Where did you get it, anyway?
I) Mirriam Webster's dictionary says:
Please see at http://www.mirriamwebster.com/dictionary/atheism
Atheism is
1) Ungodliness, Wickedness
2a) A disbelief in the existence of deity
2b) The doctrine that there is no diety
II) The Free Dictionary also mentions the same thing:
Please see at
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheism
1a) Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods
1b) The doctrine that there is no God or gods
2) Godlessness, immorality
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@omnithought (199)
• United States
18 Mar 07
it's basic linguistics. Prefix and root. That's how you get to the core meaning of a word. Dictionaries often go with modern or common usage of words rather than their literal definition. I'm going with the literal meaning.
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@Tanya8 (1733)
• Canada
17 Mar 07
I agree with your definition of the term atheist, but technically an "anti-theist" would be someone who is "against those who believe in God" (not that I've ever heard of anyone referring to him or herself that way).
Although I'm an atheist myself, I don't take exception to people thinking I believe affirmatively that there is NO god. I virtually DO hold that belief, even though I realize that the non-existence of God can't be proven.
I'm more concerned with people holding the mistaken view that atheists are all AGAINST god, and have some kind of moral deficit as a result.
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@Fargale (760)
• Brazil
17 Mar 07
I understand your position. But I've seen time and time again those atheists who simply lack the belief in god being accused of being "presumptuous because they think they can prove god doesn't exist". The term Atheist is riddled with very heavy implied meanings right now, I wish it would be made clearer to the general public.
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@Tanya8 (1733)
• Canada
19 Mar 07
It's certainly annoying to read misconceptions of what atheists "believe" all over myLot.
This is straying off topic, but I was wondering whether atheism is widely accepted in Brazil? It is in Canada, although religious conservatives have been more politically active and outspoken in the last decade, and we now have a conservative Christian Prime Minister.
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@Fargale (760)
• Brazil
19 Mar 07
That would depend on the definition of "widely accepted", that's for sure... but we've never had a problem with persecution or anything of the sort. Brazil is a very tolerant country, at most what I've seen are some people saying that atheism is "a recent teenager fad" or "a fad among the arrogant smarty-pants".
Sadly, most of the intolerance I've seen so far has been on the internet, which was supposed to be the greatest example of richness of information and respect for other's ideas.
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@headhunter525 (3548)
• India
17 Mar 07
I wonder where you got this idea from. Can you tell me where you quoted it from?
Encyclopedia of Philosophy (Edwards) gave various definitions. I thought atheism is affirmation of an absolute negative. As far as I know in 'atheism' is made up of two words 'a' and 'theo' where 'a' is negative (not without) and 'theo' is God.
Agnostic is made up of 'a' and 'ginosko' where 'a' is negative and 'ginosko' is knowledge.
Atheist like Michael Martin may say like you said, but classical atheists will say' there is no God'. And there is redefinition because, I think, 'there is no God' is logically self defeating.
I would like to hear where from you quoted your definitions.
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@omnithought (199)
• United States
18 Mar 07
I'm going with dictionaries of the English language, not philosophy.
"a-" means not, or without, per the Oxford dictionary, dictionary.com, etc.
"anti-" means against, or opposite, per the same sources.
So, an atheist is not-theist, and the anti-theist is against theism.
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@dravenwriter (232)
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22 Mar 07
I agree, although I term these things differently. I refer to the assertion that there is no god (as a fact) as explicit atheism, while stating that god exists as a fact is explicit theism.
Agnostic or broad atheism and theism are referring to the lack of belief or belief in a god, respectively. Both of these admit that belief is not fact, and recognize it through some level of tolerance towards other viewpoints.
I wrote a full article on this topic a while back, here:
http://www.helium.com/tm/196152
Draven the Respectful Atheist
http://dravenwriter.blogspot.com
@sumofalltears (3988)
• United States
26 Mar 07
I agree with the definitions and wish that more people took the time to understand this. There are so many misconceptions about atheists that it can really cause problems. Mention the word atheist and some people think or associate it with the devil. Strange how people think sometimes.
@Fargale (760)
• Brazil
17 Mar 07
Perfect description. I wish those terms became the norm, because right now it's very common to see even atheists getting the terms mixed up and misrepresenting what they believe.
I'd also add, just for the sake of completion, the definition of Agnosticism:
"Agnostic" is simply someone who doesn't believe that it's possible to prove the existance or inexistance of god. One can be religious AND agnostic, or atheist/anti-theist and agnostic.