This goes to Islam - Weelcome to the 21st Century

LOL well I'm sure they have enough bombs to blow a few holes in the mountains to make more ;)

Bravo, very well said! i was trying to make the very same point but i guess coming from a man it didnt mean so much! but coming from a woman and specially a muslim woman i hope that it makes things crystal clear for them! + for You MorningDew!

Thank you, this really means a lot to me...

You are contradicting yourself. You say you wear whatever you want and the boundaries you have are for protection. So if there are boundaries then obviously you can't freely choose. You say in islam the man is not allowed to beat a woman-even beating has rules. So you are saying there are rules to the beatings, which in fact would mean a man is allowed to beat his wife in a certain way? Otherwise why would there be a rule for something that is not allowed. I know more then you think. I grew up with muslims and I have seen what the religion is all about, so please don't tell me I don't know.

There is plenty of room in the caves for the ones that choose to be stuck in the middle ages lol.

I hope some of them will take it to heart and not take it as an insault. Thank you :)

LOL well one can hope ;)

Wouldn't that be a rude awakening lol.

If translation of "word of god" is accurate, is there a possibility that Muhammed got there first and there are none left?

Nabeel - so people all over the world mistake Islam. Unfortunately they cannot think? And people who have embraced Islam are not allowed to think. Even in an anonymous forum like Mylot you guys cannot be relieved of your brainwash. Keep bleating about being a religion of peace. Wait until the muttawa come get you. Then you can bleat some more.

One of the more controversial issues in Islam is the Quran’s authorization for husbands to beat disobedient wives. This is found in chapter 4, called “Women”, verse 34. Additional information on Islamic wife beating is found in Muhammad’s Traditions (Hadith), and Sira (biographical material). Many people have criticized Islam because of this harsh sanction, and many Muslims have written articles seeking ways to mollify or defend it. In review of the actual teachings of the Quran, Hadith, and Sira, Islam is rightly criticized. This command is not only a harsh way to treat one’s wife, it portrays the degraded position of married women in Islam. It will be shown from the Quran, Hadith, Sira, and other Islamic writings that this “Islamic” wife beating is physical and painful. Please note that wife beating is not only an Islamic problem. It is a common occurrence throughout the entire world. Some cultures accept it more readily than others. However, Islam accepts the practice to an extent that Muslim societies do not see it as a problem. Before moving on and addressing the subject of Islamic wife beating in detail, I want to pause and examine a more crucial point: the exhortation to beat the disobedient wife is not an aberration, oddity, disjointed concept, or stand alone element, in Islam’s positioning of females, rather, the command to beat disobedient wives is founded upon a woman’s subservient / secondary status in Islam. You cannot separate the issue of wife beating apart from the context of her inferior position in the marriage relationship. To fully comprehend the issue of Islamic wife beating her position with respect to her husband must be first understood. Wife beating is allowed because of the lower position she occupies. A person with a severe virus may run a high fever. While the fever can be quite a grave problem it is actually a symptom of another sickness at work. Wife beating is a symptom of the wife’s degraded status in Islam. Beyond the right of husbands to beat their disobedient wives, there is a deeper, more pernicious, disease at work. Wife beating is merely the bad fruit of a bad root. Once this element is understood the rationale behind Muhammad’s command to beat disobedient wives comes into focus and fits in its proper place. When I first began to study the topic, I did not realize that an Islamic marriage is not equivalent to a Christian marriage. Its rules, roles, and requirements are quite different. In a Christian marriage, the husband is given the role as head of the household, and the wife is expected to submit to the husband’s leadership. However, she is his equal in terms of social and religious status; she is not inferior to him. In Islam, the husband is the custodian of his wife. She is considered to be in-between slave and free. The woman is managed and controlled. The relationship between a married woman and her husband is similar to the relationship between parents and children. Parents have a responsible custody of their children and expect their obedience. When children are disobedient they are disciplined and sometimes spanked. Muhammad’s viewpoint of women was that they lack self-control, and thus for their own good, and societies’ good, they must be subordinate to their husbands. They must obey. Although an adult women is more mature and capable than a child she is still not equal to a man; thus is subject to him. Islam teaches that men are superior to women. When a man gives his bride a dowry, he is accredited the right to manage his wife. By accepting his dowry, a woman is giving her husband the right to her regulation.

Very well said vampirestones, One can only hope people like these start using their own brains instead of relying on the internet and media to get disinformed and mislead.

Some of the points you mentioned would be well heeded by islamist followers. Since when does islam respect other religions? Sura 9:29 commads Muslims to fight against Jews and Christians until they either submit to allah or else agree to pay a special tax. Yes that indeed sounds very tolerant. NOT! I don't fail to understand islam, just the opposite. I say what I say, because I understand it very well.

Nicely done Vampirestonez, and for her yes you can look towards muslim nations to see how a woman is respected and not just used as a playboy thing used and than throwed into dustbin like a toilet paper real great!

I am afraid i dont follow you old timer!

Well Ms. Riptide looks like you've got back up LOL!! Anyways in your previous discussion (pardon me i forgot the title) i had made it clear why i chose the nick destroyer, but i assume you didnt see it, well for your benefit i will put down the reason here too! When i was signing up for mylot, every nick i chose was taken so in the end i chose a nick from my old counter strike playing days, it was purely out of necessity that i chose DESTROYER! i hope that is clear! Moving on to the website you suggested, i would implore you to go to this discussion : http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/815136.aspx?p=2 You my dear are not the first one to have mentioned this misguided website in your posts, and if you take time to visit the aforementioned link you would discover that yours truly has already posted a comprehensive refutation to it! If you have any further queries or feel like i have erred somewhere you can always leave a comment and i will get back to it! CIAO!!

Well if it isn't destroyer. You really should have picked a better name if you want to convince people that islam is peaceful. I suggest for you and everybody else to read through following site. I doubt you will though, because you are obviously don't want to hear the truth. http://www.lamblion.com/New08.php

Well you are right about one thing, I am no a christian. I am not saying it's ok for 12 year olds to dress like sl*ts, if I did, show me where I said that. I am speaking of grown women not little girls. Nowhere am I saying that muslims should take the backseat. I am also not saying they should abandon their religion. I am simply implying they should update some of their practices to go with the times. You know women wouldn't have to be modest if men could control themselves. Why do women have to conform to a mans way of thinking? I'm sorry you couldn't see this post in the humorous ways it was intended.

People like you just validate my post. Why don't you give me a good argument or facts to support your claim? You probably can't huh? But then flinging insaults is always the typical reaction from you guys.

Well said, brother, well said! :-)

well nobody forced you to reply or read it

I know more about muslims then you think readme. You don't know me,so don't tell me what I know.

then you my friend know nothing about christianity ! For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? 15. What harmony is there between Christ and Belial ? What does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? 16. What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God has said: "I will live with them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be my people." 17. "Therefore come out from them and be separate, says the Lord. Touch no unclean thing, and I will receive you." 18. "I will be a Father to you, and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty."

i hate that really when i see sbdy dunno anything abt anything and just talk like that .. God help all