Hell is a falacy
By Lavera1
@Lavera1 (896)
United States
March 25, 2007 7:46pm CST
To all of you who say that hell is a falacy then you would have to say that the earth is a falacy. And you would have to say that the sky is a falacy. And that the mountains are falacies. And that the wind and lakes and rivers and rain are falacies. And you would have to say that the sun and the other galaxies and the birds and animals and the fish in the waters and of course our pets and ourselves are falacies. If you believe that hell is a falacy then everything that was made by God would have to be a falacy. Even God Himself would not exist for all that I've mentioned is in the Bible. Even music and instruments to play the music with.
But the Bible states 'Let God Be True and Every Man A Liar.'
Romans 3:4. And in Pslams 2:1-8 Why do the nations rage, and the people plot a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, Against the Lord and against His anointed, saying, "Let us break Their bonds in pieces and cast away Their cords from us." He who sits in the heavens shall laugh; The Lord shall hold them in derision. Then He shall speak to them in His wrath, and distress them in His deep displeasure: "Yet I have sat My King On My holy hill of Zion."
I will declare the decree: The Lord has said to Me, You are My son, Today I have begotten You. Ask of Me, and I will give You the nations for your inheritance, and the ends of the earth for Your possession."
So keep mocking God and you'll see who is real or fake. Billy Graham was told my God to visit Marylon Monroe and tell he about God and she told Billy she didn't want his God. And the next week she was found dead in her house.
John Lenon one of the Beatles stated that he was 'more popular than Jesus' was and he was shot with a gun nine times and died. The maker of the Titantic was asked what could destroy the ship and he stated that God Himself couldn't destroy it. So what happened to it. Ugh?
I'm here to help save your souls. So if you don't receive me, you're not rejecting me, you're rejecting Jesus; the One who sent me. I'll just wipe the dust off my shoes and go on. And your blood won't be on my hands.
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15 responses
@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
26 Mar 07
If I don't believe that your God created everything, then none of this argument makes any difference to me. Hell can be a fallacy because it is not part of my belief system, while the natural world is a part of my belief system.
I get very tired of the argument that the natural world exists means a specific deity created it. There is no more evidence for the Christian God as creator than for any other deities humans have beleived created the earth over the centuries.
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@Chiang_Mai_boy (3882)
• Thailand
26 Mar 07
The God you seem to be preaching in this post seems to be a rather hateful and judgemental creature. It is exactly this type of God who killed any belief I might have in him.
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@Lavera1 (896)
• United States
26 Mar 07
This God I'm talking about, Chiang, is a God of judgement, Don't you correct your children in love if and when they have done something wrong. If you are a mother. And also this God I preach about is a God of tender mercies that are new every morning.
He loved and loves the world so much that He gave His only begotten Son, Jesus, to give up everything He had and was in heaven to come down into this world in a body prepared for him by the virgin Mary.
His own people rejected him and the world prefered to continue to walk in darkness and rejected the Light. But Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil. For God was with Him.
But His own people, the Elders and High Priests, were jealous of Him because many of the people believed in Jesus and the High Priest were less popular. So they plotted to get rid of Jesus.
Jesus was beaten and tormented and His flesh was torn from His bones with the cat-of-nine-tails and his head was pierced through with a crown of thorns.
After which He was nailed to a cross. And He carried our sins for us and when He gave up his ghost (spirit) He went to hell for us so that we wouldn't have to. He became sin for us. He paid the price for our sin so that we wouldn't have to. So who do you know that would do that for you, Chiang?
What other God would do that for you. Jesus is the one and only true living God. All other gods are sinking sand. They have eyes and can't see. Ears and can't hear. Mouths and can't talk. Legs and can't walk. In fact most gods have to be carried around by their worshippers.
Then Jesus rose from hell and completed the work that His Father God entrusted Him to do. And it's finished. Now all you have to do is accept it Chiang.
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@vanities (11395)
• Davao, Philippines
26 Mar 07
well thats agreat information and thanks for all the bible passages..honestly i believe in one God the creator of all things here...and im proud of you to write it here in my lot..so that others may read..thats one way of evangelizing the word of God..
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@soadnot (1606)
• Canada
26 Mar 07
this is a very weak argument.
first you compare something that is proven to exist (without getting too philosophical), like the earth, sky etc. with something that has no proven existance.
than you say god is vengful and that we should fear him.
this is very weak and does not even deserve a response
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
26 Mar 07
Well, I told myself I wouldn't grace this post with an intelligent remark...so here's my $.02 about your post.
I don't like anyone more sadistic and hateful than me. For that reason, if your God truly did exist, I'd hate and reject him ...hell would be more fun than heaven anyway. Imagine a world chalk full of people like you...what a boring and intellectually dull place that would be.
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
26 Mar 07
Note: The above post was not intended to offend anyone of the Christian religion. I believe firmly that people should believe in whatever floats their boat.
However, I'm violently allergic to idiocy. You can believe what you want, but whenever I come across people like the OP, I have a violently allergic reation which consists of: sarcastic or jeering remarks, replies that are made only to point out how stupid I believe the beliefs in question are, and replies that I have purposely placed no brainpower into making, because I don't take the original topic all that seriously.
Sorry OP...but your opinions aren't that special to me. I'll give you another chance when you can add 1+1 together and manage to get a 2.
@pangeacat (619)
• United States
26 Mar 07
Well, thank you for the information.
I have to wonder though ~ If I don't believe in your God, then why would I have to admit that everything is a fallacy? And, because I am a curious person by nature ~ why are you so angry?
God gave people free will, right? So, why are you trying to take that away from them? Why is it your job to be the judge, jury, and executioner? Why is it your job to save my (or anyone's) soul?
@Lavera1 (896)
• United States
26 Mar 07
If I sound angry it's because I know the Truth and the Truth has made me free to cry out for the souls of the lost. And I'm crying out. And why are you saying that I have the power to take away your free will.
Jesus has commissioned me to preach the gospel to the world to every living creature; baptising them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. And Whoa be it unto me if I fail to do so.
Just as Jesus said to Judas, "You know your assignment; now go and do it."(paprphrased)
The Bible says that hell is real. So if you don't believe that then why believe anything else that the Bible teaches on. Just reread what has all ready been stated, Pangeacat.
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@pangeacat (619)
• United States
26 Mar 07
Well Lavera, you do sound angry, there is no if about it.
I'm not saying that you have the power to take away anyone's free will. I'm saying that you seem to think you do. That's the way you're coming off in your speech. As far as my Christian upbringing would dictate, not even God will take away a person's free will. Not even God would attempt such a thing, yet here you are giving it the old college try.
If you feel that your interpretation of scripture is that Jesus has given you the job to preach, by all means go for it. But your puritan attitude is the precise reason so many people (like myself) choose to reject Christianity in pursuit of a less judgemental, more accepting religion. I still hold a lot of respect for the religion, just not so much for it's followers ~ because so many I've known are just like you. So, tell me ~ how do you feel knowing that you are the reason for truning people away from your God?
I understand that the bible says that hell is real. So what? How does that prove your point, or ANY point? People don't usually believe in trees, ants, dirt, and all the other things you originally mentioned simply because the bible says those things are real. lol. People believe in those things because they can see them with their own two eyes. I'm looking very hard, and I just can't see hell (well, Texas comes close. lol ~ just kidding!). Therefore, something that you cannot see with physical eyes is not in the same category as something you can. And, if hell does exist ~ what's your point? According to scripture, your version of hell is the absense of God. If you don't believe in God, or you don't like God, what's the big deal?
And, I've read all that's been stated. Again, what is your point?
@ESKARENA1 (18261)
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26 Mar 07
I think hell is real enough. I think we create our own in this life, right here right now
blessed be
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@Lavera1 (896)
• United States
26 Mar 07
Father God in the name of Jesus I call Eskarena into You ministry and claim that she's a spirit-filled Christian speaking in other tongues and preaching Your gospel around the world in truth and in love. I ask you Father to manifest yourself in her life and show her that you love her. Make yourself very, very real to her, Lord. I thank you Lord of the Harvets that You send the right laborers to her to reveal Your truth, love and knowledge to her. For you told me to ask You for the heathen and that you'll give them to me as an inheritance.
I bind the spirit of witchcraft and false religion away from her and lose the spirit of truth and peace upon her. For You said that whatever I bind or disallow on earth is all ready disallowed in heaven. And that whatever I loose or allow on earth is all ready allowed in heaven. So I thank You Father for answered prayer because I know that You hear me because I pray according to Your Word. I prophesy to the wind and what I prophesy comes to pass. You said that Your word will not return to You void but it will accomplishes what You sent it out to do and it will prosper in the thing where into You send it. She denounces Santan as her lord and accepts Jesus as her personal Lord and Savior. Thank you Father in Jesus name. Amen
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@Fargale (760)
• Brazil
27 Mar 07
LOL. I had to make a quick search to understand that reference - good one. =) But I believe they're not the kind who would be led into drinking the punch, but rather, the kind who would be forcing it down everyone else's throats, if given the chance.
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@Lavera1 (896)
• United States
27 Mar 07
Get you kicks on Route 66 Fargale and Cyntrow. Ha! Ha!
You two are on the wrong posts. Try Jokes. Then maybe some will say, "You've made my day."
But you sure are making me laugh just now. No please don't go. p
Please excuse and forgive me for advising you to go for you've made me laugh.
@mobyfriend (1017)
• Netherlands
26 Mar 07
I have seen this discussion before a few weeks ago. You cbanged a bit of the intro but some parts are copied.
I know this because I was one of the posters in the original discussion.
God is a God of love and not conviction.
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@Lavera1 (896)
• United States
26 Mar 07
Moby, if you believe that God is a God of love why are you spewing lies out of your mouth about this discussion and that I copied it. I speak from the power of the Holy Spirit. You speak from your father Satan who is the father of lies.
And in the name of Jesus, I bind that spirit of lies and decite away from you and lose the spirit of truth upon you for you shall know the truth and the Truth shall make you free. Father God says that what I bind or not allow on earth is all ready disallowed in heaven. And what I lose or allow on earth is all ready allowed in heaven. So be free in the Name of Jesus.
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@judyt00 (3497)
• Canada
26 Mar 07
What rude thoughts. Howdare you say that someone getting murdered was because he said jokingly that he was more popular than Jeus! And you wonder why more and more peoplebecome atheists every day. its bigotted uneducated people like you who turn them against your church.
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
26 Mar 07
But Christians die all the time too, even in violent and horrible ways. So saying that just because a god other than yours that someone followed didn't save them is a pointless defense. Why doesn't the Christian God save Christians from such fates?
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@judyt00 (3497)
• Canada
26 Mar 07
Oh, and by the way, onecan be a buddhistfollower and still be a christian, since living abuddhist lifestyle is simply doing what Jesus taught, living peacefully and letting others live in peace, unlike what ANY so called christian practices today
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@Fargale (760)
• Brazil
26 Mar 07
So you paint this disgusting picture of a mean, hateful god. And you say I should love, respect and admire this violent, vengeful creature, or else...!
Yeah. Sad part is, this is not an isolated case. It's actually quite common to see people "preaching" this horrible message. No wonder more and more people become atheists these days.
@mrbehemoth (33)
• Australia
26 Mar 07
John Lennon pissed God off, and he took, what, twelve, fourteen years to take his revenge? Why is God so damn slow?
Oh, right, the whole not existing thing. Good-o.
@summerbuddy (26)
• United States
27 Mar 07
It sounds like you are angry.If I were'nt already saved your attitude would really throw me off.Jesus is about love.Love for ourselfs and each other.Are you saying that if I don't believe in hell that I'm not a christian?One thing you seem to have left out is "Don't judge,lest you be judged"We have no idea what really happened to Marilyn Monroe,nor do we know what happened on the Titanic.Everyone will have to answer to Creator,I have my own issues that will be judged.So, I've got no right to talk bad about anyone or judge anyone.Only Creator knows your heart.So,I am a very strong christian who does not believe in hell.Hell is what you make.
@willfe (149)
• United States
26 Mar 07
So your savior is filled with bloody retribution for anyone who rejects him? Consider him rejected -- I don't live my life motivating others by threatening eternal suffering just because they don't agree with me.
If your "heaven" is filled with people like you, I'd prefer not to ever pay it a visit, thanks.
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@Zo0mZo0m (1357)
• United States
26 Mar 07
I've enjoyed your post. I have this one passage I'd like to share, If God is for me who can be against me? Preach it. Tell the truth and shame the devil. The truth shall make you free. Were the Spirit of the Lord is there is liberty.
