With a small minority of people wanting to take God out of everything...

These people cannot accept the way things are, so now they want to make them change. Its just natural for people to challenge what has already been set in place, its good to care about change. However what these people are doing is just stupid, I believe they just want the glory and to be known. I wouldn't give them anything because they don't deserve anything, go ahead and believe what you want but don't try to change everyone else.

It is not that they wish to take god out of everything. They want to stop the proselytizing and constant indoctrination though...and to have christians understand that their belief is neither the only one nor necessarily the most healthy one. The amount of subtle rudeness that has allowed them to feel justified in behaving like spoiled children being told they can't have their favorite toy is intolerable. Their ability to create pressure for legislation that is based on their religious dogma and not on CIVIL concepts is inexcusable. They offend the minority religions an spiritual paths to no end and then complain when they are told the must stop....here in the USA if you are not a christian, you are the minority..or so they would have us believe. If I could give them a state I think they could have florida or oklahoma. Just as Native Americans have their sovereign lands within the USA's land mass, christians who wish to be protected from the rest of us could have their land in either of those two states. I think they might be happier and ther est of use could walk our paths in peace.

Yestheypayme, I don't think that it is such a good idea to put the non-believers in a separate state. That reminds me of the era of the natzis when millions of Jews were forced to leave their lands and were put in prisons and executed for no good reason other than hate. I wouldn't want that done to me to be forced to leave my land and placed in a prison just because of my beliefs. Also that happened in this nation during WWII to the American Japanese. They were taken from their homes and placed in a dry land just because they were Japanese. According to the Bible we, the Christians, are to preach the gospel to every tongue, tribe and nation, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost. And we're to live a life of light in front of everyone so that our light will so shine before men that they may see our good works and glorify our God in heaven. Also if the non-believers had their own state, they could make laws preventing Christians from entering and spreading the gospel so that wouldn't be a good thing would it Yesthey? We were born at this time because God knew that we were able to make it; to be more than conquerors throught Christ Jesus. So don't run and don't force others to run. The righteous are bold as a lion but the wicked run when no one is chasing them.

Wow!!!! isn't this what the Confederates tried to do in the 1860s? They were just as forthright and unbending as you seem to be. For them it weas ok to keep their fellow human beings as slaves, for you, expelling anyone who disagrees with you (there are other historic, and tragically not so historic role models for you to aspire to here: Hitler, Stalin, Saddam,Serbian nationalists, Somalian terrorists in Darfur etc) They all go on to lose in the end.

Well, I do not believe that it would be beneficial to bring back segregation. That is what you're suggesting, that we segregate those who do not believe in God or a god of some kind. The minority of people who do not believe in a god of some kind may be a much larger percentage than you think. Buddhists do not believe in a god of any kind, as a general rule. Atheists do not believe in any kind of higher power. Scientologists do not believe in any kind of a god. I personally have run into many people who don't believe in any kind of god. That said, since our nation is composed of so many people, some of which do not believe in God, it makes sense that we wouldn't have the mention of God on our national symbols or in our pledge. As I said in another thread, I personally don't care much either way. But, it would make sense that our national symbols, items, money, pledge, etc. should be secular in nature. Even if the mention of God is removed from these things, that doesn't mean that God is taken out of everything. If you believe in a god of any kind, no one (except yourself ofcourse) can take that away from you. You will still be able to attend your church or temple. No one can stop you from praying at your family dinner, or before bedtime. You would still be free to wear religiously inspired clothing, jewelry, etc. Your home can be entirely devoted to whatever deity you believe in, no one can stop you. You are still free to say that you believe in God. And, most importantly, no one can remove God from your heart and soul (again, except for yourself).

1.-if you are that "majority" why you are so afraid of minority??? 2-aren't you the one who need state?we can go along with each other eaven if we don't belive at the same 3-don't you think about that you put God in everything-if you belive he is already there why put him and you can't take him away?!! 4-I am out of my country because people like you who want "us"in another state/country, who can't respect our belive even that we respect theirs.After killing a lot different belivers they ask God for forgivnes?!Is that way to be "majority"???That is the way it works if "minority" don't want to move at "state". 5-you want to play God by make it right at place you belive he created? Aren't you afraid that he won't liked that you messing with his job??? 6-I think that you have very bad idea and very good preyer for God to forgive you for that bad idea,and start to be nice person respecting others and exepting them for who they are inside.

wow!.i consider everyone have the free will to choose on whom to believe or not or to think and express each others dissenting opinion here...can we do taht also to the minority as what you have stated above??

I don't think it's practical and possible to put those kind of people all in one state. That might be violating human rights and some other laws as we have freedom of religion, etc. even if they are just a very small minority.

Seriously Christians need to realize that there is not only one right path to "enlightenment". And having God posted on everything is like forcing everyone to believe in the exact same thing as everyone else. Which that is not what this country is made or founded upon. This country was founded upon the freedom to believe in what we want, when we want. This country is made up of many religions and many different types of people. So what the ten commandments had to be taken down in certain buildings and certain areas, so a few words had to be changed. Get over it already. There is no need really to have "God" written on everything when he should be carried first in foremost in a person's heart. Words are just simply that "words". We do not worship words.

You are a very narrow minded Christian honestly. People may have different religions other then yours and still be following a spiritual path. In my religion, Paganism, we do not judge people for their religion, because we know it doesn't matter what belief you have faith in, just as long as you have faith. And I think you are talking about Athiests, referring to you saying something about taking god out of everything. Well, it is their true belief that there is no heaven or hell, god or goddess. You need to open your mind a little bit and see what else it out there, you may learn a few things.

Let's give 'em Montana. The militia up there will shoot their butts off.

In this case it is not because of God for me, but the principle. This is how it all starts, tomorrow it is going to be the color yellow .... you know what I mean. Majority in my eyes rule, not to say trample or ignore the rights of minorities, but there are limits. People think SA consist of white people and black people, not true there are over 16 different ethnic groups, and some ethnic groups hate other ethnic groups beyond comprehension! 11 years ago South-Africa, wanted to give each and every ethnic group their own state. The whole world crucified us, and they put a label on it "Apartheid" and if you translate that, it means "Separated" but he world saw it as discrimination. Back to your question, I don't think it will work, they will say it is discrimination. It's a strange strange world master Jack:)

I don't want "God out of everything." What I do want is for my freedom of "non-religion" to be valued as highly as other people's freedom of religion. Tolerance works both ways.

Another state? Taking something we don't like and putting it into a closet doesn't make it magically "go away." It still exists, it's merely out of sight. But since I believe you're being (at least partially) facetious, let me offer an alternative: Why not just farm out the problem to the BLM (Bureau of Land Management)? Ever look at a map of land ownership in western states? It's like a checkerboard. We could just create a nation filled with little squares for people. There could be squares for "Godless German Immigrants," and other squares for "Baptists who Smoke" and yet other squares for "Single Mothers who Like Anna Nicole Smith." Think about it! Everybody could live in a checkerboard square where they would NEVER be offended by one of their neighbors' points of view. And that (in the immortal words of Forrest Gump) "is all I have to say about that."

Knowledge is power. We should be spreading knowledge in schools, not forcing one religion on to the masses... isn't that what school is all about? The path to a greater knowledge? If you want your children to learn about religion, why not give them your bible and enroll them in Sunday school. God doesn't have to be out of everything, but it shouldn't be in places where there are people of all cultures and religions. Let the Catholics, Prodestants, Jews, Buddists, Wiccans and what have you practice their beliefs in any manner they see fit, off of school grounds. By the way, you say the minority shouldn't rule... yet Bush is in office with a 30 something percent approval rate. Perhaps you should think about putting the Democrats in power, since they would obviously make up the "majority" in this case. But then again, Bush is much more in favour of keeping religion and Christian views in America, so for you, I suppose it's better off that you keep him as the man with the minority of people on his side in office for as long as you still can. And no, I'm not an American. So you don't have to worry about shipping me off to some state on my own where no one will be around to pray for me. Then again, this 'everyone without YOUR God state' might just be the place to be, because I suspect it will be filled with many people that can pray to many 'Gods' on my behalf and I'm thinking that the more the merrier would be the way to go, if I want to feel safe away from the bugs of doom you think would be coming lol... One more thing... In the big picture of Gods and Spiritual Beings and such, a single God would be in the minority in many religions, seeing as there are plenty of religions that have many more Gods than one. I know you will probably think that all those other Gods are frauds, cause they aren't YOUR God, but it's the truth. So if you think about it from that perspective, you are also in the minority. That said, I'm sure I can rest assured tonight that you won't be praying for me, so I'll just have to pray myself that I don't get shipped off to some far reaching place in the world for being a part of the "minority" who is happy to have not grown up in a school preaching one religion, but was blessed enough to have gone to a place that taught us about many religions so that we could have a more broad view of the world, and become more accepting of the rest of the world. Too bad you didn't have the same experiances. But then again, ignorance is bliss, right? And what you don't know, won't kill you?

What makes you feel that its a small minority who want to take god out of everything. it seems to me that the ones who insist on putting god into everything are in the minority.Despite the noise you make, you findamentalist christians are a minority ewverywhere, and are despised alnost as much as the fundamentalist Muslims.