What do you feel about BRAGGING and SELF-PROMOTION?
By Denmarkguy
@Denmarkguy (1845)
United States
March 30, 2007 9:56am CST
I came across this quote, the other day:
"If you are GREAT, you don't need to TELL people; people will tell YOU."
I got to thinking about how we perhaps all have someone in our lives who's forever talking about their good qualities, and how they are "better" than everyone else. Perhaps it's a family member, a friend, or someone at work. In my own life, there's a friend who's always very "busy" informing everyone what a "great" artist she is. I've seen her work, and so have most people in my circle... this person has only the most rudimentary talent, and has never sold or exhibited any of her work, yet she is always talking about her superior art skills.
I'm sure many of you have watched the early stages of American Idol, as well, and have seen the people who audition under the firm belief they are "the next Whitney Houston" but even when faced with the feedback that they are terrible, continue to claim greatness, and that anyone who disagrees is "ignorant."
I was raised in a family where talking about yourself and your talents a lot was considered "bragging" and generally rude or in poor taste. However, I realize that many people grew up in families where talking about your talents was encouraged and considered a way to "assert yourself" in the world.
What do you think? Do you resonate with the quote up top, or are you more of the opinion that people need to "toot their own horn," so to speak, and self-promote their talents? Are there "limits" to this, and where do they fall?
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@stacyv81 (5903)
• United States
30 Mar 07
Oh, yes! My guy and I have this discussion, quite often. He brags about himself sometimes, more I think looking for confirmation, and attention. But I tell him, if you really knew you were great, and everything you say you are, you would just know that people knew that, and you wouldn't have to say it, because if you really were that confident, you'd be confident that everyone else already knows these things as well. So, I agree with the quote very much. Good discussion! +
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@Denmarkguy (1845)
• United States
30 Mar 07
Thanks, Stacy-- you bring up an additional point here; namely HOW people use their self-promotion. And it does seem like quite a few people who are always talking about their upside skills are actually trying to overcome insecurity, in some form.
@lordwarwizard (35747)
• Singapore
30 Mar 07
A lot depends on the company you are with.
If I am with familiar people, I can brag. Everyone sees it the right way - it's just a manner of speech. We all have a good laugh and no one will think I am arrogant or what.
If I am with just acquaintances or strange, then I would put up my most humble self. I won't even make reference to the things I may be good at unless they ask first.
@Denmarkguy (1845)
• United States
30 Mar 07
I can appreciate the "familiar people" thing... I think that's probably true to some degree, for me; my friends will also know when I am kidding, and call me on any BS... as you suggest, they know better than to assume that I am being arrogant.
@Tetchie (2932)
• Australia
31 Mar 07
The statement is relative to how you feel about yourself. A person who stands up on stage and sings flat as a tack, yet only hears his/her own voice as a beautiful instrument. It is then pointed out to the singer that her beautiful instrument is not appreciated. Who has the problem here? That 'flat' songster believes they are GREAT and are expressing themselves to the world.
This question is thought provoking because it requires turning inward and judging oneself.
We can be absolutely mediocre in the eyes of a perfectionist, the perfectionist is not content with his life and will judge a more 'lowly' person as lacking. Yet the lowly person seen as mediocre can be in a totally blissful state, content with their achievements, their abilities. They love themselves as they are. So who has the problem? Who is GREAT?
It is true that you will attract to you praise and adulation if you are pleased with your own accomplishments. Being pleased with your own accomplishments, you have no need of praise from outside yourself.
Those that seek outside adulation are lacking in self praise of their own abilities.
Yet are we measured by what we do or who we are?
Then assuming we are not at the stage of self praise in our life, then for someone who has not accomplished great things, yet takes steps to climb the road to success then to be praised is of course going to help with self-esteem. It's wonderful to be given encouragement where needed. Self-promotion at this level is not a bad thing as it is a way of instilling your own sense of accomplishments. It's like stepping back and telling yourself - Hey, I've done a great job here". To achieve balance one often has to climb to the opposite end of the spectrum before resting in the centre.
A person who brags is often very insecure and needs outside adulation to make them feel good.
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@Tetchie (2932)
• Australia
1 Apr 07
Thanks for your kind words. For what it's worth I find programs like American Idol (we have an Australian equivalent) lacks any form of integrity, which could be said for most media sectors. I often wonder if 'talent scouts' pull people off the street, offer them heaps of cash to sound really bad, so as to make others look good. Isn't that what makes TV ratings now. That would be expression for praise sake - the praise being the money!
I just thank the gods for remote controls.
LOL, I didn't know there was a disorder known as chronic Narcissism. LOL. They will find a pill for that too sooner or later!
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@Denmarkguy (1845)
• United States
31 Mar 07
This gets into an interesting area... the "right" to one's opinion vs. imposing that opinion on others. In the case of the singer, they have EVERY right to sing, and I have EVERY right to leave the room. The problem arises when they want to "enforce" their perceived "greatness" on ME... in terms of (using the American Idol model) "insisting" that I produce a record with the "great" vocals, which will just cost me money and efforts, but will never sell. A similar parallel could be drawn in many other instances.
There is usually some point at which "individual perception" runs head first into "global fact."
Further to what you say, there is often a VERY fine line between someone motivated by "expression for expression's sake" and "expressing for praise's sake." Expressing for "praise's sake" tends to be either an issue with self-esteem, or even a personality disorder-- like chronic Narcissism.
It is perhaps true of the world that while we are "Human BE-ings," most people go through life as "Human DO-ings." As such, their worth is more closely connected to their accomplishments, than to their humanity.
Thanks for an excellent response!
@Denmarkguy (1845)
• United States
14 Apr 07
Indeed, thank God for the remote controls. So-called "reality" TV usually strikes me as a disturbing showcase of humanity at its worst... all our ugly traits laid out on the screen, for all the world to see.
OK, so there's no "chronic Narcissism;" that's a term I tend to use for illutration purposes, but it has no clinical meaning. However Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) and Pathologically Malicious Narcissism are both bona fide psychological conditions.
And there is no pill. And there probably never will be.
@mssnow (9484)
• United States
31 Mar 07
I am great, I know it , you know and everyone here knows it.lol. After all I am marrying mylot. lol. OK to answer your question seriously. I grew up in a family and was told not to brag. BUT I also saw another family where the mothers encouraged their children to flaunt their attributes. These children went on to be very successful . So i n my little mind. I decided to to tell my children how great they were and to be proud of who they are. I think they are doing wonderfully now. My oldest joined the army and is in South Korea. My middle son is in college in Seattle. My youngest son graduated high school with honors as did the other two. So I honestly think its better to build someone up and make them KNOW they are great. Than to make them hide it.
@Denmarkguy (1845)
• United States
14 Apr 07
Well, everyone KNOWS you're great, since you're marrying myLot!
I guess there's a fine line between creating self-confidence, and creating something negative and needy. Sortof peripheral to what we're talking about here, in China there was a period where the entire Chinese society was "limited" to having one child per family, as a population control measure. Because boys are valued above girls in Chinese culture, there was a bulge of only-child boys born and raised through a number of years. These were generally spoiled children, and today China is dealing with a population (generation) of young adult men who are referred to as "The Little Emperors." They were born into a reality in which they were told they were "great" just for being male, and being alive.
I was raised in an environment where bragging was considered both rude, and in bad taste. In looking at my life, I realize that my tendency to be self-effacing has played a part in my relative lack of success, in "conventional" terms. So it works both ways.
@bluewings (3857)
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30 Mar 07
Yes,it's not uncommon to encounter people who are blithely ignorant that they are bragging and their opinion of the self is often very different from what others think of them.
I watched a few episodes of the last American Idol ( not the present one) and it's true everywhere.I think such a feeling stems from the fact that someone in the family or among the friends flatters the person and swells his or her ego so much so that the nay sayer's reflections on his/her talent or the lack of it can't convince them.They live in a blissful world of self ignorance.They will still continue to believe in Gods gift that others are failing to recognize.While such a state can sometimes provide great motivation ,it can irritate other people.
I feel it's better to let the deeds do the talking rather than indulging in self-promotion.In our language there is a saying 'if you have talent ,it's fragrance will definitely reach people' You wouldn't need to announce your arrival.
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@Denmarkguy (1845)
• United States
30 Mar 07
I really like the phrase "the live in a blissful world of self-ignorance."
In a sense, that very elegantly summarizes the nature of many people who hold an inflated view of their own prowesses.
@winjzz (157)
• Malaysia
30 Mar 07
For me, I don't see any problem with self-promotion although i thought bragging to be on a different level, to make others feel inferior. It'll be no problem if they can back it up because i observe some people are terrified of braggers who can walk the talk. They end up needing to work extra hard to upstage the bragger. Besides, i like braggers, they're funny. I usually set them up for a challenge, with a bet or something like that. Once, a kid bragged about being able to do a really wicked 'superman' (act of controlling a speeding motorcycle while lying face down). I bet him 50 ringgit (thank god he's not too bright and is high at the time) and he ended up in a freak accident with broken bones.
Anyways, all of us need a little bit of self-promotion especially in the workplace as to my experience, self-promotion shows intent on taking the initiative. But like bragging, don't fail. Because if that happens, everyone would be talking about it. That's the only limits that i know of.
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@Tetchie (2932)
• Australia
1 Apr 07
Did you know this self-promotion attitude is encouraged by school authorities. I was gobsmacked when I heard this. It's like lie if you have to. Get the job then worry about the details later.
I could never do that and I think, I know I've not applied for jobs because I haven't had this attitude. Perhaps I should have!?
@Denmarkguy (1845)
• United States
30 Mar 07
Well, I can see how LIMITED self-promotion may serve a purpose.
Personally, though, I find people who overstate to be annoying... but perhaps this is because I often have had to hire and fire people for jobs. They overstate whether they can DO something, and then it turns out they have no clue... and have wanted both my time and money.
But you're right, braggers CAN be quite funny!
@brokentia (10389)
• United States
14 Apr 07
I think a truly Great Person would know how to be self confident while also being humble.
It is okay to think that you are a good person and to believe in yourself in certain aspects of life. This is what helps us to be successful.
But at the same time, when one over expresses their Greatness...it would be like trying to over compensate for one's lacking...or maybe even trying to convince other's and one's self into believing such Greatness. In these cases, the lack of being humble is the killer. Even one's over confidence could cause one to slack and not create such high quality.
So, in my opinion...in order for one to be Great...that one must also be humble.
Besides, no one likes to listen to another brag, it is just rude. ha ha
@moonmagick (1458)
• United States
31 Mar 07
I am the queen of self depreciation. I have a really hard time promoting myself, even when its necessary for things like job interviews. Not to say that I think I am a bad person, just that I feel like I am bragging if I point out the good things. I think it kind of goes with your quote. I really do feel like if there is something great about me, I shouldnt have to tell people, they will figure it out for themselves.
I can appreciate the people who have a level of self confidence that allows them to believe in themselves to the point that they aren't going to let themselves be brought down by anyone. But I also think that you can have that kind of confidence and strength on the inside without having to tell the negative people why they are wrong. Just go and prove them wrong, thats what I always say.
Bragging tends to annoy me. I also think it tends to show a lack of confidence. Because if you have to be constantly telling people how wonderful you are, then you must feel the need to remind yourself as well.
That being said, I do feel that children should be recognized for their accomplishments because it helps build confidence. The trick being to find that fine line between creating a confident, poised child, and a monster who thinks they are better than everyone else. I think it all comes down to the presentation, if that makes any sense.
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@Denmarkguy (1845)
• United States
31 Mar 07
You make an interesting point, by saying that people who talk a lot about themselves may be trying to remind themselves. I have often found myself thinking "Who are you trying to convince, ME or YOU?"
In reading your response, it occurs to me that we are really dealing with THREE levels of self-evaluation.
Ideally, people with good self-esteem are able to objectively and honestly "self-appraise," and that's what (I expect) most of us strive for. In a sense, their self-appraisal is truly a SELF process... not dependent on good/bad external feedback.
Some, like you and myself, lean towards being overly self-effacing... essentially holding a belief reflective (perhaps?) of the fact that we'd rather SHOW people than TELL them.
Others lean towards being overly "self-inflationary," their belief (perhaps?) centered around the idea that if they can "talk their way in the door" thay can always BS their way through the "doing" part.
Of course, my own experiences are colored by dealing with this issue in a hiring/firing/human resources context.
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@Limey73 (161)
• Canada
31 Mar 07
I'm a Brit living in Canada, and when I first came here to Toronto, 26 years ago, I had a hell of difficulty getting a job at first, because at interviews I always tended to "talk myself down" when asked about my skills and abilities.......
For instance, if asked about my experience in a particular sphere, instead of launching into some lengthy spiel about how talented I was, I would always give just the straight facts, no BS, and leave them to decide for themselves.
In England that was the way it went, but here it didn't seem to be enough - potential employers expected me to be more assertive, less modest. 'Twas quite a culture shock at first, because telling people how good I am goes against my nature, but I eventually got the hang of it and managed to find a balance which landed me a good job finally.
In general I definitely agree with your quote, but since being in North America I have found it necessary to speak up for myself a bit more, and have found it to pay off, within limits.
Good subject.
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@Denmarkguy (1845)
• United States
31 Mar 07
As a Dane living in the US for 25 years, I have encountered similar "culture-based" experiences.
When I was maybe 6-7 years old, my Godfather from New York visited us in Denmark. He tried to impose a "Stand tall, look 'em in the eye and tell 'em what you know!" philosophy on me, which would actually have been considered "bratty and rude" in the context of Danish culture.
As a "new arrival" in the US in 1981, it took me quite a while to adjust to the fact that my "core value" of "my work speaks for itself" is predominantly NOT "The American Way." I work as a contractor, and to this day I am STILL slightly repulsed by the fact that I have to do a "song and dance routine" to get jobs... as if the APPEARANCE that I am good at my job is more important than the FACT that I can do it.
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@maribea (2366)
• Italy
30 Mar 07
in my family we were taught that we don't have to talk about ourselves but let people declare if we are good or not at doing something...we were taught that humility is a great virtue because there is no point in thinking that you are superior to another person..people are different and have different important aspects and there is always somewhere a person who is more important, or smarter or better than we are...we should better admire him or her and learn to do something more and improve ourselves...this is my philosophy in life even though I have also learnt that another important thing is self esteem because unless you trust yourself, nobody will trust you....as usual the best thing is in the middle!!!!
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@Denmarkguy (1845)
• United States
30 Mar 07
Maybe that is part of European culture, in some ways-- When growing up in Denmark, I was also taught that humility was a quality one should cultivate. A central part of Danish social culture is PRECISELY centered around a sense of "egalitarianism." I had a favorite uncle who often would tell me that "people who brag usually only have their WORDS, but not the DEEDS they are bragging about." My observations in life tell me that he was right, more often than not.
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