New rating system for myLot?
@lordwarwizard (35747)
Singapore
March 31, 2007 3:08pm CST
What do you think if we have another rating system for myLot? Right now, we have the myLot rating which is essentially our post count. Besides that, we also have our myLot reputation shown in the colored stars.
I was thinking that to ensure quality responses, we can perhaps have a third rating system based on best responses. At time of drafting this discussion, my rating/post count stands at 3473. I checked my best responses and it seems that I have received 397 of them. If we divide 397 by 3473, it is about 11.4%. This means that for all the responses I made, 11.4% are marked as best responses.
For now, if we want to check out this unofficial best response rating, we have to do it manually. Just checking the number of best responses you have can be a chore in itself since myLot only shows the first 10 pages if you have more than 100 best responses. If myLot can make it automatic such that we can see this rating without calculating it ourselves, I think it would be a good barometer to determine how "quality" our responses really are. After all, hasn't myLot been pestering us to churn out quality responses?
What do you guys and gals think about this?
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@brokentia (10389)
• United States
31 Mar 07
Please no more rating systems. These things can be abused and have proven to be abused....such as the star reputation.
If a person does not like your opinion or you say something that upset another...your star reputation suffers. Yes, the guidelines say that is not the point of it. We are to respect everyone's opinion. And while I do respect everyone has their own opinion...the respect has not been returned. And now..my star rep has suffered.
If this new rating system was put into place...I would have to wonder if a person was truly giving the best response to the most deserving...or if it is given based on building up a friend. As it is...I have seen that already happening also.
There will be a couple people that have all the discussions best responses awarded to just one user...and if you go to that user...all of that person's best responses awarded to the other.
I understand there is a potential for people to cheat here and they do....but I would not want to have another rating system that I would have to get over.
Great idea...but I would prefer not to see it.
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@brokentia (10389)
• United States
31 Mar 07
Hey, that is a pretty cute ribbon. :)
I like how you combined your avatar into the medal. :)
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@cloudwatcher (6861)
• Australia
31 Mar 07
I agree with you on this one Brokentia. I'd very much like to see the "_" removed. Surely the "+" and "!" are enough! I like to give the "+" sign to the majority of discussions, responses and comments, but do not rate some at all.
I do not give "_" but report anything which I think is rude, a personal attack or cheating. It is then up to myLot to decide whether or not to do something about it.
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@lifetalk (679)
• Pakistan
31 Mar 07
You know, i kinda like your idea about this new mylot rating system. However, it's not always the quality of your responses that are the deciding factor for your post recieveing the best response mark. Rather it's on the topic starter's discreation as to who to give the best response to, and all. So, i'd say, apart from the rating system, there should be something else too that could give the user ranks, or something of the sort depending on his quality, which would be decided with better ways instead of those + and - signs beside the response. Although i am not saying that those signs should be removed, but this should be added in addition to those!
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@lordwarwizard (35747)
• Singapore
31 Mar 07
You are right.. I guess maybe this is something like the "audience's vote". :P
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@AnythngArt (3302)
• United States
1 Apr 07
Audience vote is good. Often too, I don't want to wait too long to give a "best response" and then as soon as I choose someone, the next day someone new will come along and write something even better, but it's too late, I've already picked. I know that sometimes myself, I will answer a discussion that was posted months ago on a topic I like, but I just discovered it. Because the discussions on MyLot never end, there never can be an ultimate winner.
@GardenGerty (160998)
• United States
31 Mar 07
I think that is an interesting idea. I am at 18.7 percent. I usually do not talk about this, and will not give specific numbers as that feels a bit like boasting to me. Telling a percentage does not feel quite so boastful, I am not sure why. Maybe a percentage like this would be helpful.
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
31 Mar 07
I think that is an outstanding idea! I just calculated mine and I am not nearly as high as you but as of today I am at 8%.
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@lordwarwizard (35747)
• Singapore
31 Mar 07
It varies for me. I was once at 4%. I think it jumped because everyone is marking their best responses for payout.
Check out GardenGerty at post 5 - her rating is 18.7%! It gets harder for those who want to post more responses to get more cash. I know I sometimes go for quantity for quality. I can go for high quality always instead but that would be I would be posting much less responses. So it's just a balance I have to live with. :P
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@tammyr (5946)
• Etowah, Tennessee
31 Mar 07
Well let's see, I have 66 and 1311 when I logged on so that is...almost 21.7%. Okay yeah let's do it, I am game!!LOL
{Of course if I had been at 2% I would have said "THAT IS STUPID!"}
I think it depends a lot on where they came from. Did you get that one because you were the only one to respond? Was it best out of 3 or 20 or even 100? It would not be fair either when there are so many that give the BR to the same person over and over(some are actually the same person with 2 or more IDs. there are some that give it to the first to responder give it and a better one comes along. I think it would be good in theory but there are to many people that do not use it right and cheat here so it would be no more reliable than the star reputation!
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@lordwarwizard (35747)
• Singapore
31 Mar 07
66/1311= 5%Which number is wrong?:P
And hey, you brought up quite a few valid points...
Actually none of the 3 rating systems is reliable. Each just looks at different things.
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@borzack (597)
• Malaysia
31 Mar 07
i'm new in the game, how do i get a colored star? hehehe... and i dun even know how myLot earnings are calculated. do they manually calculate? i dun think so... coz there are thousands of postings to track... oh! am i in the wrong discussion here? sorry.....
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@lordwarwizard (35747)
• Singapore
31 Mar 07
You will see your star when you reach 100 posts.
Earnings are calculated based on some hidden algorithm that you will never know. We don't too.
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@lordwarwizard (35747)
• Singapore
1 Apr 07
Don't worry too much about it. It will make sense very soon if you are active at myLot. Any questions - feel free to ask. ;-)
@borzack (597)
• Malaysia
31 Mar 07
tq for clarifying. i quite dun understand what most of you are talking about in this discussion with all the 'ratings' and 'reputations' ans stuffs, i guess i'll just have to wait till i get my 100th post then it'll be much clearer to me. thanks
@cloudwatcher (6861)
• Australia
1 Apr 07
The problem is that we can't go by the number of pages. I have found that in the best responses, as in the pages of "discussions my friends started" or any of the others, many discussions and many pages are repeated.
The only reliable way to count best responses is to count them - very tedious.
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@cloudwatcher (6861)
• Australia
1 Apr 07
I have just checked my best responses. According to the number of pages in my "best responses" I have 371. However, since I record them as I receive them, I know I only have 166. I checked through the pages in my best responses and find a number of pages are repeated - just as always happens in the discussions pages. My record of 166 best responses is correct.
If anyone is going by the number of pages times 10, it is most likely a very incorrect number.
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@princeworthy (1909)
• United States
31 Mar 07
I would be 9.6% weemam, really good!
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
1 Apr 07
my best answers come out to approximately 22 person,
however I do not think that would be fair, because a person can only give one best answer and there are sometimes several on a discussion that are really good. How I choose is I take the first good one, but that is not fair to someone who is in a different time zone for example. Nothing is really fair when you have two or three very good answers.
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@lordwarwizard (35747)
• Singapore
1 Apr 07
First good one! Looks like I need to go to your discussions first. :P
@crackhead (1826)
• India
1 Apr 07
I do agree with you winterrose. I am always late in answering discussions started by USA people since i am from india and so far i dint get a single best responce rating.
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@ESKARENA1 (18261)
•
21 May 07
what a fantastic idea this is, i truely hope you have passed it on to mylot admin, i certainly think it would add to the experience and appeals to our target driven nature. Also, it would give the best response tag real, or at least added, meaning. I have no idea what my rating would be but i too have had a few best responses. It would be interesting to know
blessed be
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@lordwarwizard (35747)
• Singapore
21 May 07
Thanks, anyway no idea is perfect. Some flaws in this too.
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
2 Apr 07
Sounds like a great idea on the surface. My rating is 7.35%.
Not sure how fair it would be. The people who are more intelligent will actually do a lot better than those who have to try a lot harder to make quality posts and get quality responses. People who struggle with English will come off badly. Is this fair do you think?
@lordwarwizard (35747)
• Singapore
2 Apr 07
No system is perfect. I do agree with the points you brought up. Yup, not fair for them at all. :/
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
1 Apr 07
I think you think a lot. *laughs*
Actually, this is a very interesting idea. I haven't figured out what my rating would be, because it's my day off from work and I do enough math at work, but someday I'll have to check it out.
Wow, from that rating, it seems like you are really doing well. Much better than me, I'm sure!
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
1 Apr 07
Oh, that would be awfully frustrating. Maybe I won't figure mine out after all!
It is an interesting idea, all the same. And while it might be hard for us to figure this number, you'd think it would be easy enough for mylot to track. Adding a "best response" count probably wouldn't take too much coding. Even if it were just the number of best responses and not the percentage, that would still be pretty neat.
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@lordwarwizard (35747)
• Singapore
1 Apr 07
Nah. Maybe I am doing half as well. Cloudwatcher found out a glitch... it seems that we must manually track the best responses page by pages so the number of my best responses is not that many. Anyway, don't be too bothered by this suggestion. :P
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@lordwarwizard (35747)
• Singapore
1 Apr 07
Yes I think it is a piece of cake for myLot to check. Everything should be kept in a database and it is just a matter of retrieving the information.
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@crickethear (1417)
• United States
31 Mar 07
I personally disagree with that. I have read responses that are to the point and a very clear response which are not wordy. I have also read responses that go on and on, but still never give a response. The problem with that kind of rating system you are talking about, is that someone can be ganged up on and slammed with negative reponses just because of difference of opinions and or how they wrote it up. The whole idea is to share ideas and opinions, not to slam someone because they disagree, and or are critiquing the way they have expressed themselves. I know I have gotten bad ratings because someone didn't like my opionion, and that is wrong. It keeps people from being able to express themselves, and really sharing their opinions. So I like what MyLot has done. You want to give a bad rating, then your own score goes down, not the person who gave their genuine opinion.
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@whyaskq (7523)
• Singapore
1 Apr 07
Another rating system? Currently, there is the star rating and the colored stars. So there will be another 'medal' by the username for the best response :P
I agree that having another rating would be a good barometer for quality responses. But, what constitute quality responses and how are best responses awarded? Are best responses given out based on merit or based on personal preference? myLot may then then to write guidelines for best responses and monitor them too, unless it is mylot who gives the best response :P
@lordwarwizard (35747)
• Singapore
1 Apr 07
I was also thinking along the line that this automatically calculated percentage will be placed somewhere that can only be seen by the users themselves.
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@serena_wai (970)
• Malaysia
21 May 07
Rating best responses is one of the effective way to baseline quality response. There is a thought hit my forehead just now, if i have another fren, say I started 100 discussion, he replices all 100, and i rated all his response as best response, then he would be 100% Best response marked.
Thus, in favor back, he started 100 discussion and i replied all 100 and he marked 100 best response to me.
Yeah!!! We both are 100% Best Response mylotter!
@lordwarwizard (35747)
• Singapore
23 May 07
Nah, it's fine. I don't expect you to really go through them anyway. I just brought it up to let you know that there are others who think the same as you. :P
@lordwarwizard (35747)
• Singapore
21 May 07
You are right, Serena. Some myLotters brought up this too so it is a bad suggestion in this sense. :P
@serena_wai (970)
• Malaysia
21 May 07
Opps, sorry. I couldn't afford to read all your response. There are too massive :p
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
15 May 07
Hello Lordwarwizard,
Before joining MyLot, I was active on another forum that used the percentage of best answer as an indicator of performance.
I see two problems with MyLot adopting this ratio as a measure of performance based on my experience on the other forum:
1. I suspect that it will discourage members from responding to q's that already have a 'Best Answer' selected. As it it now, many members frequently respond to older q's. I suspect this will diminish if a visible icon representing our percentage of best answers is visible by our avatars.
2. Instituting %B/A will also most likely increase competitiveness on the site. It did on the other forum. It also stimulated more cheating activity. Although there was no pay on the other site, the members were fiercely competitive about their best answers ratio as it's a matter of ego. Many duplicate registrations popped up, and strawman voting was rampant. Meaning that one person would open 10 accounts, and vote themselves best answer.
Just some thoughts to ponder.
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@lordwarwizard (35747)
• Singapore
16 May 07
Indeed, my lady, you raised very valid points.
A toast to your perceptive mind. ^^
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@cloudwatcher (6861)
• Australia
31 Mar 07
Your idea is a good one, and I am not knocking it, but it has flaws, like any suggestion.
Since there can only be ONE best response for each discussion, it means there can be many really top quality responses in each discussion, which under that rating wouldn't be acknowledged.
The best response rating, as most of us know, is sometimes abused, with people "swapping" best responses with friends. We have probably all seen best responses given to decidedly unworthy recipients.
The 3473 you quote as your points is not a reliable starting point, since in your case, you would get two points for each discussion. (We gain a point for one response and one comment on each discussion)
I have often suggested it would be good if myLot could make a division of some sort between those who are here for good, open, courteous, intelligent discussion and debate, and those who are here for rapid posting and high earnings, without thought of discussion; those who never return to their discussions to read, rate and comment.
I don't know how this could be achieved. Maybe it would be possible to add a symbol, along with the star, or maybe the discussions could be printed in different colours. It might be better to add another category to the discussions list in the left panel: something like "quality discussions". With your ultra high speed connection and unlimited download, you have no problem in opening numerous pages to find good discussions, but some of us do.
Again, I compliment you for your idea, which has a lot of merit. It would be good if something could be done in this regard.
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@lordwarwizard (35747)
• Singapore
31 Mar 07
That's why I think myLot should implement something like my virtual medals. Then maybe the best response will get a 50% weight. The second best will get a 30% weightage, and so on. It's still not perfect but I think it is a fair tweak.
Why would 3473 be reliable? Even if I use the figure 3500, it would still be 11%. It is just a percentage - a rough gauge. And what do you mean? I thought we don't get points for comments on our own discussions.
And you have some interesting ideas up your sleeves too.;-)
@cloudwatcher (6861)
• Australia
1 Apr 07
No we don't get points for comments on our own discussions, but we do get one point for one response and for one comment on other people's discussions.
@cloudwatcher (6861)
• Australia
1 Apr 07
A good myLot friend some time ago suggested a rating whereby the total earnings was divided by the points. This would give an average cost per point earned, but would include all extra earnings, such as for best response etc. Thus, if my total earnings was $112.91 my average would be about 6.3 cents per point.
This brings in another factor. Is everyone's earning recorded in US dollars? I believe it is so, and then the amount is converted by Pay Pal.
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@kelly60 (4547)
• United States
23 May 07
I have recently visited the page of an abuser. NEARLY EVERY one of his best responses was plagiarized, but he had several pages of them, and only two or three discussions. I would imagine that his rating would be quite high, at least until myLot removed these discussions.
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@kelly60 (4547)
• United States
25 May 07
Like I said, he only had two or three discussions. I don't know if that was all he had written, or if the rest had already been removed. From the responses he had, there was a very high percentage of best responses and nearly all of them were plagiarized.
I imagine there are probably others like him on the site which would get some pretty high percentage scores for their best responses, even though they were gotten by cheating.
@lordwarwizard (35747)
• Singapore
23 May 07
Oh gosh, I hope none of us have replied to his discussions by mistakes. More points waiting to be deleted.
@sacmom (14192)
• United States
1 Apr 07
Although I can see your idea with this, it may not be a good idea to add a best response rating system. Even though there seems to be a lot of people on here who rate the - and + honestly who is to say it will be the same way for the new rating system idea you have. And what if people start playing favorites and only choose one of their friends response and not one that is more deserving? Or a best response is chosen due to the fact it is the only response in the discussion? Even though I've only been on here a short time, I am happy with the rating system as it is. Why add more?
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@lordwarwizard (35747)
• Singapore
1 Apr 07
Yup, your points are not invalid. Just a passing thought so I thought I would post it. Don't take it too seriously. :P
@karvin87 (1033)
• India
1 Apr 07
hey lord, thts genius! i think a sure way to check quality....i appretiate ur thoughts for keeping up with the quality discussions but just one more consideration tht i would like to add is the STAR! after all, if a discussion has many good responses we accreditthem by a star and it should also be a deciding factor....
FOr me, i got just 3 best response out of 280 or so..thts marginally more than 1%...far less than u! but i guess with time this would surely improve!
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@lordwarwizard (35747)
• Singapore
1 Apr 07
Yup, one step at a time.
As for your avatar, I am not sure if I want you to change. Like you said, this boy is just so cute!! :P
@lordwarwizard (35747)
• Singapore
1 Apr 07
Oh karvin, you are never gonna change your avatar, are you? I just can't help but stare at that cute boy every time I see him. :PPP
As for only 3 best responses, keep trying. Make that your goal and one day you might even become no. 1 in this aspect! Way to go! ;-)
@karvin87 (1033)
• India
1 Apr 07
yeah..i guess after coming into the blue club ,wats imp is the best responses...one by one i vil achieve all!!!:)
the avatar is too cute for me to change...but vil try, i need to have a even better pic than this to keep up to ur expectaion!!! cheeerrrss!!!
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@crackhead (1826)
• India
1 Apr 07
Hmm Sounds a good idea. But there are some problems in this. What if your friends select yours as the best responce every time. As some one said earlier if a person is hurt with our responce we might get the worst responce rating and that would hurt us badly.
So far i have some 271 posts by the time i am writing a responce here and i dont have a single best responce rating. I don't know if that is lack of some good subject in supporting my responce or is it because they din't like my responses.
But the idea can be a good one which i will definetly support. So i have a Infinity now as best responce rating lol thats the way i should be happy. Anyways your id suggests what kind of a Gem you are. These ideas should be taken count into by mylot.
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@lordwarwizard (35747)
• Singapore
1 Apr 07
Yup, you brought up a valid point. No perfect system in the world. :P
As for your best responses... are you posting too short answers? Or perhaps they are not relevant enough? Or maybe you need to add more people to your friend list? Try it.. I think it might help.
@crackhead (1826)
• India
1 Apr 07
Yeah i think i need to add more friends. I am a bit selective in adding friends. I dont want some one turn down my request which hurts my ego:P. Yeah may be my responces might not be reaching many cause i am yet to find some very good discussions. In the begining it was like responding in order to test how mylot is paying and yeah it may take some time for me to get into the groove. Thanks for adding me as a friend and thanks for your support.
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