Do you think battered wives should stick it out?
By kynni204
@kynni204 (2031)
United States
11 responses
@shannon76 (1232)
• United States
1 Apr 07
The bible also talks about a man loving his wife like Jesus loves the church. But is he doing that? I didn't think so..
I would say (and I am sure that any pastor would agree) that if they have tried counseling and he still has not turned from this, then she has ever right to leave him. He is obviously not a man of God and is not honoring his wife nor his vows.
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@DecemberBreeze (215)
• United States
1 Apr 07
You are so right. I rated your answer on this one.
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@5ID3wind3r (55)
• United States
1 Apr 07
I have never heard of counseling being effective for these men, any more than counseling is effective for rapists or pedophiles or any other type of violent, abusive personality. They are very, very sick... and the innocent wife should not be required to be the sacrificial lamb offered up in exchange for their never-gonna-happen "rehabilitation."
@DecemberBreeze (215)
• United States
1 Apr 07
Now this is really a tough one in a sense and then common sense on the other. I don't think that anyone should be battered or beaten by their spouse or anyone else for that matter. I can understand her wanting to stay in line with the bible but the bible also says that he wants us to be happy as well.
I feel she should set a point to him that she is not gonna be battered. I feel that if a person beats you how can they love you. In the end someone is gonna be hurt or killed and that is against the laws of the bible as well. I find a lot of people take scriptures and run with them and don't take the entire bible into consideration.
This is a hard situation for you as well as for your family member. I would definitely talk with a minister on that or someone that has more knowledge of what the bible says and its true meaning.
Good luck to you and your family member
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@5ID3wind3r (55)
• United States
1 Apr 07
Breeze, your loving, God-inspired and common-sense attitude -- along with the other similar responses expressed here by obviously good, God-loving women -- are very heartening and line up perfectly with the Gospel. And you are truly, truly appreciated. But please understand: this topic is completely alien to you -- and every woman deserves to be as innocent from this nightmare as you thankfully are. However, as I mentioned earlier, we are not dealing with a God-inspired being -- rather, a reincarnation of Satan himself. And believe me -- when you are at the receiving end of a drunken 2:00 a.m. beating -- wondering how to survive it this time -- (Omigod .... he's grabbing the shotgun) -- or you're running out the door and through the woods, hoping that the Viet Nam vet won't find you (he LIKES hunting humans) ... the last thing you need is your minister. You need a cop.
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@vokey9472 (1486)
• United States
1 Apr 07
I think she should leave him. When a man beats on a woman it is because he is a coward and a bully. He beats a woman because he is stronger and knows that even if she fights back, he will still overpower her and win.
The talks against divorce, but it also tells husbands to love their wives as Christ loved His church. A wife is a gift from God. She is to be a help-mate to her husband. Christ would never condone a man abusing his wife. We are told to love one another, not beat the crap out of each other.
Love is not supposed to hurt. If he is hurting her, he isn't loving her. She needs to leave him. She doesn't have to divorce him, but she needs to leave him and not come back until he attends some serious anger management classes and learns how to control himself. He will end up killing her if she allows this to continue.
As Madea would say "It's time to play some grit ball". Watch Madea's Family Reunion and you will know what I mean by that statement.
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@scarlet_woman (23463)
• United States
1 Apr 07
i think she should leave before he kills her.
no one should have to put up with that.
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@5ID3wind3r (55)
• United States
1 Apr 07
Scarlet, you are so very, very right, my love. I know first-hand -- I've been there. The hardest part will be convincing the abusee.
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@londongirl (207)
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2 Apr 07
Please try to get her away from this animal! I also had nearly 20 years of beatings from my ex-husband, just because I didn't want to be the first person in my family to go through a divorce, tell her he is not worth such dedication and respect, I wish her lots of hugs and cuddles!
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@londongirl (207)
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2 Apr 07
I never told anyone what was happening to me, (I was too ashamed!!) I made up lies all the time about my injures, I wish I had told someone, I'm glad your relative has someone like you to turn to when it gets really bad. The last time my ex strangled me and I passed out, when I woke up all my eyes were filled with blood, they stayed that way for weeks! he had burst all my blood vessels, that's when I got away, because he would've killed me, he nearly did, I hope your relative will understand this one day, they NEVER stop it just gets worse....
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@sunny20062036 (2)
• China
1 Apr 07
I think the woman is ill psychologically and she does not know what true love is.People around her should help her out of the dilemma.And I also think the woman violates the human rights because she does not even want to take any actions to stop the domestic violence.
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@5ID3wind3r (55)
• United States
1 Apr 07
Sunny, I felt like you ... until it happened to me. I am normal, from a normal middle-class family, etc., etc., etc. I did not grow up thinking, "I want to be an abused wife." Believe me, she wants to take the steps you speak of -- but she cannot, out of FEAR -- for her very life. Furthermore, she does not know WHAT TO DO ... where to turn, how to help herself. Believe me, if you have not experienced it, you are blessed. But if you have not experienced it -- you are not fit to judge her actions. She is doing whatever she thinks she must do to SURVIVE.
@magnet (2087)
• United States
3 Apr 07
I think that God do not want a person to stay in an abusive marriage. In some cases it is okay to get a divorce. I hope and pray that she will make the right decision and she will not have to live in this abusive relationship.
@arkaf61 (10881)
• Canada
3 Apr 07
I am one of the people that talks about how people want it easy nowadays and how true commitment to marriage seems to be decreasing.
I often talk about how I think people should stick a bit more with their choices and how they should remember marriage is not only made of the easy good stuff.
However, there is one thing that makes me say "get out, really fast" : Abuse!!!!
There is no reason to stay in an abusive marriage. The abuser will not change, and although the Bible is made of many interesting things and teachings, in a case like this every thing changes.
I"m sure that if the Bible was adapted to present times, there will be a clause there allowing divorce by reason of abuse.
So, even though I am the one always saying that people quit or give up to early when it comes to marriage, I certainly say that in cases where abuse is present the only way is : OUT!
I've hear many excuses: no income, religion forbids divorce, he/she will change, he/she didn't mean it, no work skills.... none of this excuses is valid unfortunately, the only way to deal with abuse is to get away from it.
In most countries there are places that will help = church, counselors, social workers, shelters etc.
To answer your question: NO! battered wifes should not stick it out!
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@wendy82 (437)
• United States
1 Apr 07
To me she should leave him because she does not need to be in a marriage. Because the bible does not say that a man has the right to batter a woman. Is there any kids involved? I know that she can get spousal support or make him pay for the divorce.
@5ID3wind3r (55)
• United States
1 Apr 07
Hi, Kynni ... you are breaking my heart. Yes, the Bible talks against divorce ... but it does not say that wives shall be abused, beaten or otherwise endangered. Rather, in the same Scriptures (Ephesians, I believe) that speak out against divorce, you will find that a man is charged by Christ Himself to treat his wife as Christ treats His Church -- with love and kindness. I am a surviving battered wife. I put up with it for 9 years. Eric thought that it was great fun to pick me up and throw me (I weigh a whopping 105 pounds). The last time that I saw him, it cost me three (re-)broken ribs and a fractured pelvis. That time he REALLY scared me. It occurred to me then that the cemeteries are full of women just like me. My mother happened to call the place where I was staying at the time, and the couple I was staying with told her what had happened. Mom called my brother out of state, who called me immediately and said, "I'll be there in 48 hours. Are you coming with me?" I fled my home-state, (grown) children, brothers and mother two days later while my husband was still in jail. Although I had left him many times before, this time he REALLY scared me. I never looked back. I am now married to the nicest man in the whole wide world. But Kynni, please don't think your beloved relative is stupid or deranged. There are reasons known only to her about why she remains with him (highest among them being her debilitating fear of his retribution), and because you are normal and have a normal relationship, you will never be able to understand her reasoning or her inner pain and turmoil. And nothing that you say to her is going to change that. BUT KNOW THIS: HE WILL NOT CHANGE. SHE NEEDS TO LEARN THIS. She cannot help him, she cannot save him from himself. He is what he is. That is clinically proven. He will only get worse, and as the cycle expands and engulfs them both -- she only enables him further to abuse her -- and only destruction will result. Her only hope is to get herself (and children, if she has them) to a women's shelter. NOW. These shelters have come a very long way, even since I retreated to one of them eight years ago. They will protect her and her children. If she is working, they will take her to work and pick her up. They will feed her and her children. They will care for their needs, and they will charge her nothing. Kynni, please feel free to call on me ... or to have her call on me ... I understand ... been there, done that -- got the T-shirt ... and the hat....
@5ID3wind3r (55)
• United States
2 Apr 07
Thank you for your blessing, Bridgette, as I bless you, also. Please let her know that others pray for her, also... I pray for you, too, my sister ... It cannot be easy to stand by and watch as one that you love is being systematically destroyed. Yes, I believe that God will deliver her ... but she must take the initiative to recognize that "deliverance" as possibly manifesting itself to her in what might well be a very strange form... maybe even something as drastic and ungodly as a beating which frightens her enough to drive her into the sanctuary of a shelter -- where her healing can begin. Oh, and by the way -- these places have a lot more power nowadays than they used to have ... they can even get her a free divorce. But please know that it won't be easy to get her out of there .... these guys all have the same tale after EACH incident of abuse ... "Oh, Baby, I'm so sorry ... I love you so much and I didn't mean to hurt you ... it'll never happen again." She is going to have to do it for herself.
@kynni204 (2031)
• United States
2 Apr 07
Bless you sister! I am so happy you decided to get out of that situation. I pray for her every day. No one deserves that nonsense. I would love to tell her to blow his head off, but I know that is not the answer. I know that there is a higher power and He hears my prayers and all things are possible to those who believe. I believe God is going to deliver her and this is going to be a thing of the past. I am a faith woman and I know she will be fine. Thank you for your support.
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@5ID3wind3r (55)
• United States
2 Apr 07
Oh, I know that this might sound kind of glib in light of such a serious situation, but it's something I heard years ago about God providing for us in what might be considered to be "strange" ways.... "It had rained and rained for days and days in the little town. It was now flooding, and people were now sitting on the roofs of their houses, hoping to be saved. As the waters rose even higher, the Coast Guard rowboats began moving in to the rescue. The rowboats floated from housetop to housetop, loading up unfortunate victims of the flood and carrying them off to safety. But one old gent refused the Coast Guard's assistance. He would not board the boat. "God's gonna take care of me." Unable to dissuade the old gent, the pilot of the rowboat shrugged his shoulders and proceded to carry his precious cargo to safety. The following day, the Coast Guard boat returned in another attempt to rescue the old guy. Again, he refused .... "God's gonna take care of me." The third day, the Coast Guard dispatched a helicopter to the site, hoping that the still rising waters and the awesome sight of a choppter might inspire the old gent to come with them. No dice. "God's gonna take care of me." The waters rose further. The following day, the old gent arrived at the Pearly Gates. He was sooooooo hurt and confused!!! God stood before him, shaking his great head. The old gent cried out, "God !!! I believed so much in You!!! How could You have failed me???!!!" And God replied, "Failed you??? I sent you two rowboats and a helicoptor -- what more do you want???"
@cyndismith (9)
• United States
2 Apr 07
I think that any woman that puts up with a beating is in a tough situation. Does the Bible mention anywhere that it is fine for a man to harm his wife in that manor? I do not remember reading that part. I will pray for her.