My 3 year old Fire Starter!
By rainbow
@rainbow (6761)
April 11, 2007 7:48am CST
Hope you all had a super Easter - sorry not been around but I'll catch up as soon as I can!
A few weeks ago my 3 year old turned the oven on with a toy in.
Last week somehow the breadknife was in there luckily on foil - so it melted. Every time he goes through the kitchen he turns the oven on, little angel.
I got Bong (7) and Roo (3) art supplies for Easter and they were happily playing in the garden until I wandered off - they hand painted my housewall, patio doors and york stone BBQ - which is now stained, all in a few unattended minutes.
Yesterday it was a sticking and glueing fight with glitter - my lounge ceiling may never be the same, lol.
This morning I left them in the lounge as I was doing something in the bedroom - 2 melted plastic cups and chocolate were later found in the bin and the stool is still in the bath in water - yes they set fire to it - apparently it was just sat too close to the gas fire which was on really low - must have had some assistance from little fingers.
At the moment they are corralled in their room where they are merrily throwing toys around nad climbing.
So you see I daren't leave them unattended and as a mum of one special needs child I'm really concerned about having a second one, who sets fire to everything.
Any ideas what I'm supposed to do this time?
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@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
11 Apr 07
All you can do at the moment is what you are doing punish them. And make sure that they do not go near Fires or anything
I really do not know what else to suggest to you Sweetie
They are certainly keeping you going there
I don't know what else to suggest apart from what I told you on the Phone
Big Hugs to you
@rainbow (6761)
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11 Apr 07
Thoroughrob has said to remove the knobs - can't believe I never through of that one for the cooker, so after tea they come off and see if that helps the kitchen, have to see if I can do something similar with the gas fire.
Thanks for listening to me whinge!
Hugs and sooty snuggles!
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@maildumpster (3815)
• United States
11 Apr 07
OH my goodness how scary! You never know when they might start a fire bad enough to spread.
I would do all I could to hide anything they can use to start a fire. They sell things to go over the knobs on the stove here in the states do they have them in the UK? That would help. Also do they have safety gates there to keep the kids in certain areas?
That said it reminds me of when I was a child; I put one of my dolls in the broiler. My parents didnt' know and used the oven so needless to say the doll caught fire.
I wasn't trying to burn my doll; I was just 'putting it away'. I was definitely sad when my doll burned.
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@rainbow (6761)
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11 Apr 07
That's a scary story, I'm glad you learned although it's sad yo lost your doll!
I'm going to try removing all the knobs first - baby gates unfortunately don't stop my kids. I'm not sure whether we can get cooker guards, the fireguard was used as a climbing frame and toys were thrown over it until we took it away as it didn't seem to help, let's face it they're not babies any more, so they have to learn sometime, just not sure which way to go- short of tying the to chairs etc if I leave the room and even then I'm not sure it'd work. There's never anything they can get to except the stove and the fire which are difficult to hide. Fingers crossed that was the worst point and things will calm down now.
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@maildumpster (3815)
• United States
12 Apr 07
Well I wish you the best. Taking the knobs off sounds like a very good idea. At least it would reduce some of the risk.
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@rubypatson (1840)
• India
12 Apr 07
I have a similar situation at home with my 2 year old son, he loves to play with the gas connection, he switches it on and off and even managed to remove a knob, then the microwave, he opens the fridge and he plays with the regulator and my fridge is never in the same temperature for long, now i lock the kitchen doors, he goes to the balcony throws everything he can outside the balcony, it goes on and on, how do we control them
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@rainbow (6761)
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12 Apr 07
ruby, i wish I knew, nothing I do or say makes any difference, they just move on to the next mess making challenge - I have toys thrown out of windows, the fridge raided, I've moved all the treats as high up as I can out of the way, if i turn my back, never mind if I leave the room, mischief ensues.
I try to involve them in anyting I'm doing, I spend more time than I should doing their stuff with them, I have no reserves left.
I wish you the best of luck with your little man.
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@heavenschild (4777)
• Canada
16 Apr 07
I have sympathy for you Ruby! My fridge freezes things all the time...I wonder why? LOL! Everyday is fun!! I would get a lock for the fridge but we rent and we don't own the fridge so Idon't think I can do this....
All the best to you and Rainbow! :)
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@smacksman (6053)
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11 Apr 07
Aaah. Sweet. Don't you just loooove them at that age?
Yep, the problem is only solvable by corralling them in a safe zone when you have to leave them, even for minutes. We had a caged area in the garden and a play room in the house. The play room had all the power points disconnected (the wires undone in the back of the point), the key hole filled in on the play room side, burglar bars fitted across the windows with wire netting to stop toys smashing the glass, no carpet, no furniture except a chair screwed to the floor and ditto a small table. In other words, anything hard could not move.
The children loved it and didn't look on it as a 'punishment room' but as their special room.
Once they grew out of it the room became their study with soft armchairs and book shelves and reading lights. This was in the pre-computer days but they would now be there too.
@rainbow (6761)
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11 Apr 07
That is sooooo tempting right now, lol!
They are corralled in their bedroom, I let them out for the hairdresser and let them play in the garden while she cut my hair.
They put the hosepipe on that tap and flooded the garden and wet the wood for daddys new shed so they are back in their room under orders to tidy their toys away but by the sounds of it they are fighting again - cages definately sound good at the moment, lol.
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@smacksman (6053)
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11 Apr 07
Wow, you have a handfull and a half there!
Maybe add padded walls to the playroom as well. haha.
You have a brilliant sense of humour to win through! Good luck!
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@taramoon (740)
• Spain
11 Apr 07
Ohhh Rainbow your post really made me laugh the way you have written it but i know it's not at all funny, my Dempsey who's now 5 has ADHA and you can not leave him unattended for a minute to his own devices, i left him all of 2 seconds yesterday to go to the bathroom and walla he had given himself and my new persisn kitten a hair cut....at Easter i was clever paid the extra and bought all washable colours...however my 9 year old daughter managed to find a permanent marker and decided Dempsey would look great painted as a bunny, yes i have had to explain to the school it doesn't come off. NOw about the slight mishapes you are having with your little fire starters, my friend solved this with her twins also both ADHA and at the time they were 3, they set her bathroom on fire. She contacted our local fire station and explained that the boys were setting fire the anything, the fire brigade were more than happy to arrange for the boys to visit the depot and sat and explained to them about fire and show them all the equippment and how fire can destroy since then the boys have not done anything naughty with regards to setting some alight that is.
Dont know if it helps.
Good luck.
Failing all that make sure yoy have a few fire exingushers handy lol
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@rainbow (6761)
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11 Apr 07
Hi honey! I'm sure Dempsey is a cute bunny and I'm sure school don't understand, lol. It's funny when we look back or when it happens to someone else. The best laid plans eh?
Poor kitten,but at least it was just his hair, and he's sooo cute.
If I have another little happening I will talk to the fire brigade - not that the local fire fighters are worth inviting round, lol.
I have a fire extinguisher and a fire blanket and a smoke alarm so fingers crossed.
Hope the marker pen fades soon,bless him!
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@sparling (178)
• Canada
11 Apr 07
oh my...you must be wxhauseted by now. doesnt it sem like they go through spells of badness and trouble lol. mine do, and they are the best of freinds when they misbehave. i hope your easter was good ours was, but quiet, thats the way i like it. i dont really have advice cuz if i did i would be using it myself, lol. jordan is odssesed with fire, i cant take my eyes off him. so i understand. i hope things get better, your freind mandy
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@rainbow (6761)
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11 Apr 07
oh Sweetee, I'm sorry you potentially have this problem too, Bong used to feed the storage heater in his room small plastic toys which melted and stank but Roo is really bad and together I really don't feel I stand much chance right now.
Two friends have suggested removing the knobs to things cannot turn on and I'm hoping it helps, I don't want to turn the gas on and off outside every time because it would be inconvenient and what it they turned it on when it was connected as they expect nothing to happen and gas us all?
I'm going to have to try and see it there is anything else I can try - fire brigade won't really get through to a 3 year old. If I find anything fantastic I'll let you know!
Big hugs!
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@rainbow (6761)
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12 Apr 07
Thanks mandy! I have survived another night, lol. I have not taken my eyes off them more than I can help as usual. But chores have to be done and it's not always possible to have them in the room, especially the kitchen with me.
I'm going Drs today, I can't take much more, but I'll be fine, jst have to find more extra energy from somewhere again.
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@sparling (178)
• Canada
11 Apr 07
i remember the time jordan stuck my placemats in the candle flame,thats when it started. and now when we go to the dollar store he wants to go down the isle with the bbq lighters etc...pretty scary. so we have few candles( mostly in my room), no lighters around, when i cook i cant leave the kitchen for 1 sec...its crazy. But im confident we will both survive this, lol hugs, mandy
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@shelagh77 (3643)
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12 Apr 07
This could be very serious for you so somehow you have to get to the root of this. Does he just like twidling with the switches, in which case maybe lots of twiddly toys may distract him. Is it the light of the flame, or is it the disintegration of the object which is burning.
If it is the disintegration which is the fascination he will grow out of this as he gets older, as this is a form of intelligence in that he is trying to grasp the concept of something hard and solid turning into either a sticky gooey mess or ashes.
At three years old it is unlikely he is actually trying to destroy things, so it is probably a fascination of one form or other. I hope that some of these ideas are helpful to you.
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@rainbow (6761)
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12 Apr 07
Thanks Shelagh - I think he likes watcing the flames and things melting, dunno why the oven is interesting - you have to wait ages for the smoke, lol.
My home still smells today, I've done all I can now and I'm soo tired of it all, if it's not one it's the other or both of them. I have no idea why and think it's something he's exploring with wild consequenses.
Luckily they're still asleep so I get a few minutes for me.
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@mansha (6298)
• India
12 Apr 07
atleat you have an excuse, my son lit the fire and as soon as I entered the room pushed the burning paper under the bed I pushed the shole bed over in a go so thankfully it didn't catch fire. as far as I know this runs in the family, my brother had always been attracted to matches and lighters and so many times we had prevented an accident. Now my son takes after him, I suppose.
he had lit lots of candles wioth the babysitter the day we were out for a reason and left them there and my daughter chewed on them after that. Gosh I also am at loss, want to give them away sometimes.
Both are really handfull.
may be you can set up a smoke alarm or something so that you can come to know in time. but wait they might love the sound of it and make it a habit of settign up fire just to listen to it. sorry no more ideas, if you get any do tell me too.
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@rainbow (6761)
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12 Apr 07
Know what sweetie, I have no excuses left, special needs or not I'm just not fit to look after an ornament.
I do my best, I try not to leave them unattended, I wasn't long just long enough.
I'm so sorry you have to worry about this too! I don't have a babysitter sometimes Shreks mum will have them Sunday afternoon but that's it, I can't do a weeks worth of cleaning in one afternoon choose how I try.
I have a smoke alarm, luckily I was back before it went off, I always am.
I truly wish you luck sorting things out so it doesn't happen again and if I get something that works I promise to share it.
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@minnie_98214 (10557)
• United States
12 Apr 07
wow you got your hands full. It is amazing what kids can do in so little time alone. Im glad my boys are afraid of fire. I wish I could give you some good advise but wow I wouldnt know where to begin on this one.
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@rainbow (6761)
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12 Apr 07
Thanks honey, I do appreciate your reply, I am completely lost now, I do my best, do what I cna, try to look after them but it's not working, lol.
Lets hope this is the worst bit and things are going to trip along the catastrophe curve a little easier now for a while - I need a break but the way they're going it'll probably be my leg, lol.
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@villageanne (8553)
• United States
12 Apr 07
LOL I am so sorry for laughting but kids are so funny. they go through stages and they do some crazy things but they outgrow it and on to something else. You just have to stay strong and survive till they are grown. Good luck and I dont envy you. Our daughters are raised now and married. My Grandkids are driving their mom crazy and she is always calling home "help mom, what should I do" I have to laugh at her too.
@rainbow (6761)
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12 Apr 07
Thanks I can see the funny side too but I need to be able to leave a room - it's not the army it's childhood, lol.
they are exploring and using their brains - very clever but not really good for my home furnishings, bless them one day I'll look back and say - well you did it when them moan about their kids, lol.
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@hoghoney (3747)
• United States
12 Apr 07
OMG I have three kids like that my daughter was and still is at 24 a fire starter, when she was 8 the boy next door to us mad her mad and she burned down his tree house and her and her brother one place that we were renting when they were young they had painted the whole frount of the porch with brown paint and the siding I might add oh yes kids like that never grow out of it but you have to make sure that you hide all matches my one son sat a whole roll of toliet paper on fire and then put it in the toliet. good luck because they are not done with you yet.
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@rainbow (6761)
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12 Apr 07
Thank-you so much for sharing your stories of horror - this is what I'm afraid of and I have no idea what to do. The little one got most of the blame, but you know I told them both off to make sure. I do not know what to do with them at the moment, things seem to be spiraling away from me.
I'm sure once the smell goes and I somehow reagin control things will be fine, I just have no idea how!
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@Kaeli72 (1229)
• United States
11 Apr 07
Oh dear...well...I can honestly say you're not alone.
When my darling oldest son was about that age, he was curious...too curious for his own good. Well, one night I went into my bedroom and just before I turned out the lights, I noticed that my wall outlet had some black smudge on it. I didn't think much of it until I found one of my steak knives under my comforter with a melted blade. Yup...that boy nearly killed himself that night. Plus, he's set fire to the YMCA's bathroom...but he's much better about it now.
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@rainbow (6761)
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11 Apr 07
Oh my goodness, he was very lucky and so were you!
I hope the YMCA were understanding, bless him! I'm so glad he's better now!!
This is the kind of thing that really scares me, if I leave them alone what happens next, luckily I do not have an electric blanket so that's one less thing to panic about and I have plug safes everywhere.
Not sure what I'm going to do really, just clamp down even more and hope for the best.
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@retardedrugrat (4791)
• Canada
12 Apr 07
Wow, you sure have your hands full there!
My kids once decided to start trying to set fire to my living room. I turned the fire on and left to go put the kettle on.
When I came back, my daughter was merrily watching the cushion smoking where she had it pressed against the bars of the Gas fire. After I freaked out and scared the hell out of her, she never did it again.
As for your son turning on the stove and the fire, is there any way you could remove the knobs so he can't turn them on? Disconnecting the electric supply to the stove would be an idea too but it's also time consuming to have to reconnect every time.
I wish you the best of luck in sorting this out.
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@rainbow (6761)
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12 Apr 07
Hi honey, I tried switching the electric to the stove off but it does the ignition to the gas hob so he gassed up instead, just on his way past. I've now taken the knobs off so fingers crossed - dunno what I can do about the fire - the fireguard turned into a climbing frame a place to throw toys behind and so more of a danger than a help and Shrek took it away.
I do not now what to do anymore or I wouldn't have asked.
It's sos quick isn't it, how they suddenly try things and then everyone else can judge us so badly, I'm doing my best, just don't know how much more I can deal with right now.
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@Aphroditei_5279 (2465)
• Philippines
17 Apr 07
Hi Rainbow! Maybe to set the oven a little bit higher and out of reach will be good. Like on a little platform. Or I think some wire material, like a screen are available in the market. That you can place in front of your oven so children can't reach them. Well I hope you have a solution to your problem. I know it must be quite difficult to think on right solutions how to handle it. Take care! Hope everything will be fine soon! (^^,)
@Thoroughrob (11742)
• United States
11 Apr 07
Have you considered getting a different stove with the controls on top? I am sure there is something out there to keep little fingers off. My sister had trouble with her boy, 6 at the time playing with lighters. Later come to find out it was a fascination that he had gotten at school. They had firefighters come to the school and talk with the class, somewhere during the questions being asked, a child asked what happens if your house burns down and the firefighter told them that someone would fix that one or build them another one. That was all he heard and he was going to help them get a new house. She had the same firefighter come to the house and talk to him and straighten things out and so far that has straightened him out. He is now 10.
It is scary to think that your son is so obsessed with turning the oven on. Can you pull the knob off so that he cannot move it? I know it is an inconvenience but it might work. It sounds like you had better not leave him alone. You definitely have your hands full. Good luck and let us know what you decide to do.
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@Willowlady (10658)
• United States
11 Apr 07
Wow, the artwork your home must have. Maybe it will be a museum someday!? :)
Fire starting is serious and you can keep the lighters etc in a tin and out of harms way. The dials on the stove could be removed until you wish to use it. They do come off and that could stifle that and then he might forget or find another outlet. Good luck with this!!!
Whatever you do, it might be considered a need for you to find someone to come in for an hour a day or something. That way you could have them monitored and you also get you time or get things done. That would be very logical. A friend could help you out with this. I would help you or my daughter. Too bad we are across the pond.
I hope you get good ideas and that you weather this storm in your life. He will grow up however it remains to be seen the progress. I hope for the best for all of you! Take care my friend.
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@rainbow (6761)
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11 Apr 07
Thank-you for our kind works, Thoroughrob said to remove the knobs too, can't believe it never crossed my mind, the artwork will never reach a museum as we will all be burned to bits, lol.
I am thinking of seeing if there is anywhere local that can give a bit of respite care, Sure Start used to pay for a few hours when Bong was tiny and homestart were meant to come help once but never got here, they play with the kids in your home while you get on. It's a shame non of my relatives are interested in helping and think I'm a good deal too soft, maybe I am but wow do I desreve to live like this - I mean really?
I'm sure things will ease off a little after the Easter holiday when they are back at school and playschool (3 mornings).
Think I may have to have a trip to the Dr for some happy pills the way things are going, lol.
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@Foxxee (3651)
• United States
11 Apr 07
Yeah, my advice would be to watch your kids a little more careful. I mean setting things on fire? That is serious. Why would you even leave the kids alone? You said you left them alone because you were doing something in the room, well, how long were you in the bedroom? For them to do all that, you had to be away a while and when you have kids at that age that is a big no, no! You just don't leave kids alone at that age. Even for a second.
Sorry if this sounds harsh, but I have never had this problem, because I just don't get up and go into another room while my 4 year old is left in another room.
You also said they were at this time in their rooms throwing toys around? Well why are you on the computer then?
Take care of your kids first before you get online or wonder off as you call it.
@rainbow (6761)
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12 Apr 07
I'm sending you me children to look after as I said above I was stripping the beds, not long but long enough. You are saying you have a daughter with ADHD, add Autuism and Dyspraxia to that and a 3 year old who was with me when I started and who was the main cause of the problem.
I do take care of my kids if I didn't then I wouldn't be asking for help would I?
I do not need you to insult me or argue with my friends, if you are so perfect a parent please spare some pity for those of us who are just doing our best
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@someonesmom (5761)
• Canada
16 Apr 07
Hi Rainbow.
Am so sorry to hear about all of these problems that you're having. Being a parent of young children can be really challenging, and when they're special needs, even more so. When my daughter was that age, I can remember that I barely had time to go to the bathroom, let alone do anything else. Unlike some others here, I don't believe 'any' mom should never be able to have time to herself to do anything. Not only does it 'drive you around the bend,' if you don't, but it's impossible too, as everyone, and moms in particular in this situation, must have some time to breathe. I'm wondering if you have agencies etc. in the UK that'll support you, and give guidance etc. for your special needs son, and maybe you could talk to them about your 3 year old too. As I've mentioned to you before, my grandson (almost 4) is autistic, and requires a great deal of 'extra' care too. My daughter-in-law works very hard to ensure his safety, and explores every avenue she can, to get the special help for him that is required, by professionals etc. Even so, she finds herself exhausted all of the time, and needs to have a break from him, so that she can 'recharge.' I saw him at Easter, and he's made a lot of progress, but still has a long way to go, and we can't tell for sure at this point what his future will be, as it's a day to day process with him. We're still awaiting the day when we can have a 'real' conversation with him, and be fully understood. I wish you all of the best, and hope you can get some help from someone there who understands. Don't feel as though you're a bad parent, and don't believe it when it's implied by others. As I said before, parenting (single, which I did), or with a partner, of a child or children of this age is 'very demanding,' but certainly has its rewards. My hat's off to you, my daughter-in-law, and all the moms of special needs kids, who have to 'go the extra mile.'
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@rainbow (6761)
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16 Apr 07
Thank-you so much mom, i feel a little calmer a few days later, we're down to minor breakages aain, luckily nothing life threatening thankfully.
I may look into getting some help but I hate to do that as part of me is always scared they will just take them away if I say I'm stuggling.
I went to the Drs and got some anti-depressants by the end of Thursday one minute I'm ok the next I'm scatty the one after I'm screaming crying woman so it really was time.
I'm trying to be really strict and hope it'll work but it's not fun feeling like I'm on their case all the time.
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@rainbow (6761)
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17 Apr 07
I can think of a couple of local charities that may help a bit, even if it's only paying with the younger one while I get some housework done. Or a few hours with achildminder so I can have a break, may see if I can get something set up in time for the summer break. We cannot even get an occupational therapist in our county unless he goes into special school. The nearest one is over an hours journey from home so he'd leave home at 7.30 and not get home til nearly 7pm every night, I don't think he'd cope with the journey in a taxi very well. My friends son has started there but it seems a very long day. We are waiting for the physiotherapist to see how dyspraxic he is and are still awaiting his MRI scan results, he has a my appointment but no results yet.
I really should try to find some help from charities etc for him, even if it means travelling. When I feel a bit more in control I'll start trying to sort something out.
Thank you so much for your kind wishes and encouragement. I'm glad your grandson is getting on well with the help he's being given!
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@someonesmom (5761)
• Canada
16 Apr 07
I'm sure they wouldn't consider taking your children away if you try to get some help, as here in Canada they recognize the unique challenges presented by special needs children. They're more than willing to work with families, and to offer all of the assistance they can. I don't see why it wouldn't be the same in the UK. I'm wondering too, if you've got IBI (intensive behaviour intervention) available over there, as it's really helped my grandson so much. Here we can apply for funding from various charities, to help with the cost of this therapy, if necessary. I'm glad that you were able to see your Dr. and get some help there too, and that things have settled down a bit now. I wish there was more I could say to encourage you, but hope this helps a little.
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@heavenschild (4777)
• Canada
11 Apr 07
Wow! Autism, ADHD, etc...and now an arsonist!
All I can say is you have your hands full with the two of them!!
I understand having limited time on My Lot as I do not have a lot of time on here myself with my Son demanding.
We really do need eyes in the back of our heads! I rent and my son has coloured on walls and doors with crayon, chalk, etc.
He also used to turn the stove burners on and one day the margarine container was there and it caused a huge grease fire but I was able to put it out without too much damage thankfully. We then started turning off the stove at the panel box when we were not using it and then turning it back on at the panel box to use it again. He no longer touches the stove now and we are very happy about that!
We just have to try to avoid it (the disasters) before it happens!
Good Luck to you my friend!:)
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@rainbow (6761)
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11 Apr 07
Thanks sweetie, It's scary sometimes isn't it? Usually art things are supervised with minimum mess and stress but I thought they'd be ok outside, ooops was I in trouble, but Shrek was around too so it should be ok, lol.
Bong used to feed the storage heater in his room plastic toys which stank but he learned after lots of cold nights were I daren't turn the heater on.
The gas fire in the lounge has auto ingnition if you twist it far enough and Shrek says he doesn't think we can swith the gas to it off.
The oven is electric and I can swith it off at the wall but it also does the ignition for the gas stove, this means that he could gas us instead - at least with smoke I have a bit of a clue.
I'm glad your little man doesn't touch the stove anymore, can't belief I have another one starting to want to do these things, hey-ho maybe I'll install cameras so I can see them at all times.
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@rainbow (6761)
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12 Apr 07
Thanks honey, I just don't know what to do any more, I try not to let them out of my sight and only go online when they are in the lounge as if I have to sit and watch kids tv and play all day I'd never get anything done at all.
Thank you for sticking up for me, I am doing all I can, sometimes it's just not enough.
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@heavenschild (4777)
• Canada
12 Apr 07
The cameras might not be a bad idea! LOL
I just hope your youngest is not special needs too!
Yes, it really is scary sometimes, My son has also pulled the fire alarm in our building in the past as we live in an apartment and he escaped and got outside once also and I had to run after him!
When will they invent something where we can keep track of them where ever they are? Cameras I think may be the only solution!
Good Luck to you my friend! :)
PM me any time and I will do what I can to help you!
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