What do you think about revolution of the machines?
By missak
@missak (3311)
Spain
4 responses
@web2samus (255)
• Uruguay
12 May 07
hello boy! nobody replied here huh? it's ok...
I think the keyword here is: PURPOSE. why did they started to fight? I think machines ended mimicking the human behavior, that in my opinion won't happen in our reality because OUR purposes are only determined by our instincts, yeah we're just like the rest of the animals; a little more complex but the principles are just the same: pain/pleasure that's our ONLY motor.
machines on the other hand lack emotions i.e., lack any purpose other that the one forced upon them by their creator, so in our film machines reached a point when they created themselves, here we suppose that the ones who create are still bounded by that order from the humans and therefore they will pass it to next generations, in this scenario a war will never start unless some mad scientist programmed some against humans and this group somehow gained enough power to rule over the rest of their fellow machines (kinda Megaman story :P).
on the other hand if by some unknown reason machines escaped this chicken-egg paradox why should they care about us? in some other topic here on mylot someone said that enslaving humans as energy sources was a double-win because they had control over their enemy and at the same time solved their energy problem, in my opinion this is not exactly the true reason for doing this, I think this is an answer to the question: what the hell should machines do if they don't care about humans? I think they, as being incapable of creation failed to get their own purpose so, they ended needing humans as a reason to exist, this is in my opinion the true symbiosis referred in "The Second Renaissance" of Animatrix.
about "I Robot" well, there you're summoning tha-masteh :o Isaac Asimov but please STAY AWAY FROM HOLLYWOOD :'( I haven't seen the movie just a trailer and looks like pure bullshit, guess what? in the book machines NEVER attacked humans, the book is a series of short stories about the birth of the robotic era and there is only one story where machines disobey humans and they don't harm them.
even more, at the end machines control EVERYTHING in the world, and they do all this just for humanity's welfare, just as they were programmed to.
highly recommendable reading.
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@missak (3311)
• Spain
12 May 07
Thanks for responding! At last I get something on here! I suppose I presented the discussion too bad, so I was planning to make a new one with better explanations. I see your point on my misconceptions about "I Robot", and I will try to read the original book. But actually in the movie machines started as you said, controlling everything for humanity welfare, but human society didn't like this so they started a war against them. Are you sure at least in other books Isaac Asimove didn't present something like this? Ok, the movie is quietly commercial, but I don't think it is totally bullshit. The main idea is well thought, since what a mad scientist programmed on such powerful machines could enter in contradiction with people minds and that could cause a war, althought is not actually machines fault, as you say.
@web2samus (255)
• Uruguay
14 May 07
hmm there might be a point in the timeline when the machines ceased to exist, because in the Foundation saga there isn't any of them, as robots at least but I don't know what happened.
I'll see the movie just to be sure that I'm not cataloging it as bullshit based only in assumptions.
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@filmbuff (2909)
• United States
14 May 07
It's actually a little more probable than I would like to admit. Computers can already out think us. I don't know about you, but I'm not capable of performing trillions of calculations in my head every second, and if I were then what fun would I be at a party?
I think humanity is kind've on the brink as it is. There is not too many people around who create *from scratch* all the things that we currently have. So much is already automated by computers. Granted, I can build a computer blindfolded if you give me the parts. But if you gave me some sand, a blow torch and some copper wire, I really don't think I could create the next generation intel chip, let alone a vacuum tube.
One of the few things we have going for us right now is that artificial itelligence kinda sucks. I'll be playing Killzone and just watch the mobs run in circles as I shoot them one by one as they wait there to die.
Couple that with the fact that computers can't really do "fuzzy logic" and we're safe...for now. Fuzzy logic would be what we do when we drive a car. We make guesses based on speed, and vectors subconsciencely, or consciencely even and more often then not we tend *not* to collide with things around us. Ask a computer to do that and it's like Billy Joel on six day bender.
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@BrianKomeini (276)
• Philippines
13 May 07
Unless they can think of a program that will enable computers to adapt depending on the situation, I think a revolution of the machines is simple to quell - all we have to do is to pull the plug.
But with recent advances in Artificial Intelligence, it's just a matter of time before they invent a robot capable of learning things through experiences. And once a robot is able to do that, then the only difference between a man and a machine is their physical composition.
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