Are you a Depressed Genius Or a Happy Idiot?
@Angelwhispers (8978)
United States
May 11, 2007 12:37pm CST
I got a letter today in the mail from a very good friend that lives in Belgium. He always sends me some trinket when he has been on holiday in some exotic locale. This time he is returning from Spain. In his letters he writes as a poet of the old English, he knows how much I adore this, they are always so beautiful and flowing with images, textures, and smells. He is a tribal arts dealer by profession, and I met him in Florida while on vacation, in 1998. The thing is about my friend is that he is bipolar and is a Genius in every sense of the word.
I was thinking after putting my letter down and smelling of the hand crafted silk scarf he sent, (my son Jake received a pewter matador and bull), that so many of the most gifted artists and writers were afflicted with depression. Edgar Allen Poe, Marie Curie, Virginia Woolf, Vincent Van Gogh, Bob Dylan, even Abraham Lincoln just to name a few. Thats just a few, I could go on, but we are all aware of them.
So what I was wondering is does the depression make the gift? Or is the Gift the cause of the depression... or in fact are they simply Depressed Geniuses?
And what about you are you a depressed Genius or are you just a Happy Idiot :))))
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18 responses
@66jerseygirl (3877)
• United States
11 May 07
I got the depression but don't know about the genuius part,lol.I does seem that a lot of the greats have suffered with depression and I still can't figure it out why they all seemed to have such a great gift.
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@Angelwhispers (8978)
• United States
12 May 07
I myself is a depressed happy idiot :))
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@66jerseygirl (3877)
• United States
15 May 07
a depressed happy idiot,lol. How did you manage that one?I have heard of everything now.
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@Angelwhispers (8978)
• United States
16 May 07
LMAO You would understand if you were around me any...trust me :))
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@APMorison (424)
• United States
17 May 07
I think when someone is gifted with something like superior brains that there is always some 'problem' that goes along to balance it out.
for some its depression, for others complete social ineptitude, etc.
I'm author and artist for a Fantasy Role Play Game publisher (small house Mystic Station Designs) I paint, I'm working on a novel that has been well liked so far by the writers group I'm in, but I can sometimes fall into a near paralyzing depression where I can't write, and won't even consider picking up a paint brush.
I don't have the 'high' that goes with bipolar - thank goodness - and the depression is a b0tch but I'll take that trade off - I like who I am and what I do when I'm not restricted by the depression.
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@Angelwhispers (8978)
• United States
17 May 07
okay I am impressed :)) Do you have a web site you would want to share with us so that we could take a look at what you do? I for one would love to see it and read.
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@APMorison (424)
• United States
18 May 07
I've uploaded some of my computer aided graphic art to my profile. These are 'painting with a computer'. I have to dig out some of the photos of my other work (water color, jewelry, conte, alkyd, pen and ink)
if you go to fan fiction dot net and search on my name you can read some of my early 'exercises'. I'll pull some of the articles I've published online and post the links on a PM.
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@jend80 (2071)
• United Kingdom
14 May 07
my mum's Bipolar (manic depressive) and she's not remotely a genius (sorry mum)
Creative people seem to be more likely to also be depressive but from personal expeiance it doesn't automatically work the over way arround.
@Angelwhispers (8978)
• United States
15 May 07
That is very true also, Thank you for posting.
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@eaforeman6 (8979)
• United States
15 May 07
defintly some of each most every day lol..i guess thats ok because i do keep a sense of humor and hubby is very funny....so i am always getting a laugh there.....
@Angelwhispers (8978)
• United States
15 May 07
Being able to laugh at our own insanity is a gift, its important otherwise most of us would be walking around weeping.
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@JackBravo (970)
• United States
30 May 07
it seems to me that humanity loves to struggle, in fact, that it thrives through struggling. depression is one of the great afflictions, and perhaps, it's really a gift because maybe it actually inspires creation. funny, right? how else do you explain the sudden onset of poeticism on a 15 year old male adolescent after his gf dumps him? or all those torturous love songs that only come out of pain?
it's funny.
we all need strife I guess. then i wonder why we complain about it so much.....
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@Angelwhispers (8978)
• United States
30 May 07
Your Av is quite distracting I would have pegged you for a depressed idiot if nothing for your character. But what you said makes perfect sense. We do thrive on drama, and afflictions.
Thats my question here is it the gift that brings us to our knees or the fact that we are on our knees that inspires the gift. As far as complaint, I have yet to hear complaint in anyone that has responded to this conversation :))) Thanks Jack :))
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@Angelwhispers (8978)
• United States
30 May 07
Well I appreciate your thoughts on what makes a gift vs whats makes us depressive. The complaints you leave is just that, growth pains. What I meant about no complaints left here in this discussion spoke about the people responding and the fact that they had no complaint. Their life is what it is. Someone who is creative and depressed often has no idea why they are. So there is nothing in particular to complain about. If you can give voice to whats wrong then you have tools to change it. To fix it.
I recently heard a saying that rings true.... There will always be prayer in school, as long as there is tests. That same principle applies here. If you know what to complain about, you are not truly depressed.
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@JackBravo (970)
• United States
30 May 07
I definitely think it's the latter. And here are some complaints for you::
I don't want to take my test next week.
I hate studying.
I'm so stressed out.
Why do we have to move to a different city and leave our family behind?
I'm so nervous about having a new baby and I won't know what to do with it, I mean him.
Why does it rain all the time? I want some sunny weather for a change.
It's too hot here! Too humid!
We don't make enough money.
We're in too much debt.
Why do people treat us like animals?
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@Woodpigeon (3710)
• Ireland
16 May 07
I have had a bipolar person in my life and he wasn't a genius, sadly, other than perhaps a slightly criminal genius. He was strange, anyhow as we would only see him in his manic phase and would then go t ground when he was depressed. He was terribly paranoid during that period and I think being out in the world would be too much for him to take. It was a strange sort of manic energy he would havem almost like someone on amphetamines would is always moving, bobbing, weaving and talking. He didn't use any of it for creative purposes though, other than to drive anyone around him nuts because he was so 'up'.
I think I fall somewhere in the middle, myself.
@Angelwhispers (8978)
• United States
16 May 07
My Sister is a schizophrenic, she is 10 years older that I. there was a time in my life that she was my hero, and I looked up to her in every way. It was hard watching the disease take over her life in her late 20's and early 30's. You are so right in that there came a point that she was driving us all nuts. Finally she was forced by the state of Illinois to be put into rehab. She spent 3 years there. It nearly killed me knowing she was confined that way but in the end I have gained my sister back, and her daughters a mother. She is graduating college in July at the age of 56:))) I am very proud of her. But I think she has that genius thing going on to a point, for one at the height of her illness, she was so inventive in flying under the radar. She was capable of making us look like the crazy ones LMAO and I felt it at times also. Now to finish her education the way she has and the things she has accomplished is just amazing. She acquired her real estate license, while going to school and has made her self a nice little nest egg even with paying for expenses. Its a shame that so much of her life had to have been wasted. Its no telling what she could have been or where could could be right now. Although I am not going to take away from the fact she is where she is at the present.
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@feralwoman (2199)
• Australia
30 May 07
Winston Churchill also suffered from depression. He was also a writer I believe!
I consider myself a depressed idiot - certainly no genius here! LOL ;)
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@feralwoman (2199)
• Australia
30 May 07
OOps forgot to answer the question! See what I mean about the Idiot part!
I have often wondered about why people who suffer mental illness are sometimes so successfully creative in their line of work. I don't know if it's the illness that causes it, or whether creative types are predisposed to this type of illness. For sure artistic types are very moody people who get totally absorbed in their work when they're on a roll with an idea. If i'm doing some particularly good work I daren't stop in case that moment of creativity disappears!
Perhaps creative people may have some sort of predisposition to depression or bipolar. But it really does baffle me! lol ;)
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@feralwoman (2199)
• Australia
30 May 07
Yep, I can't go a day without creating something! I never thought of it that way Angelwhispers. Thank you - I shall mull that over I think. ;)
@Angelwhispers (8978)
• United States
30 May 07
But as I remember you are a creative individual. From your posts I have gathered somewhat of a very thoughtful thinking woman, wrapped up in individualistic surroundings. You indulge yourself with what you love, I think there in lies the genius.
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@lecanis (16647)
• Murfreesboro, Tennessee
19 May 07
There is a high incidence of mental illness of many stripes in people who have very high intelligence. I wonder if it has something to do with pressure, or just not being able to shut off the brain?
I'm a depressed genius I suppose. Technically my IQ says I am a genius, and my lack of common sense seems to uphold that idea. However, I've always hated thinking of myself as a genius, because then I feel guilty for not doing more with my intelligence.
My husband suffers from depression but is an anti-genius. He's not an idiot, but he has a lot of common sense and is able to do so many things that I couldn't even dream of because of it. It's funny for me because he envies my intelligence while I envy his common sense. I wonder if he'll read this and comment, since he's on mylot now. =p
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@Angelwhispers (8978)
• United States
19 May 07
LMAO, I hope he might want to start getting involved.. We have some pretty good discussions at times. Even if they are on the side of nonsense they are still fun.
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@maildumpster (3815)
• United States
18 May 07
I think I am both. I am creative and I am intelligent (not bragging just know I did well on IQ tests and in school). I didn't used to be depressed.
I can be rather depressed now cause I am ill and it interferes with my life.
Good questions about those you mentioned - wish I could give an answer to them.
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@Angelwhispers (8978)
• United States
18 May 07
I hate to hear you are unwell, I hope you get to feeling better. Thank you for your comments.
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@Angelwhispers (8978)
• United States
24 May 07
I think I have said it here before that I am a depressed happy idiot:)) and I kinda like it that way :))
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@Angelwhispers (8978)
• United States
24 May 07
I take it things are not going so well for you and your beloved now?
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@filmbuff (2909)
• United States
16 May 07
What an interesting question Angelwhispers, I'm sorry I didn't see this post sooner.
I am depressed, and was clinically diagnosed a long time ago. I am also creative. I've been called a "musical genius" by more than one, and a "big brain" by still others. Personally I don't think of myself as either.
It very well may be that the depression makes one want to create. To bring forth something beautiful into a world that seems so dark and bleak. On the other side of the same spectrum, perhaps the desire to create is a way to express the pain and externalize it, such as Van Gogh did.
I don't think you have to be depressed to be creative, but the more I ponder the question the more that I notice that there is a connection between two. I have only met a handfull of extremely creative people who didn't have some kind of internal pain, anger or depression deep inside.
This is a great topic but I'm finding myself at a loss for words. I think I might have to mull this over a bit more.
@feralwoman (2199)
• Australia
30 May 07
Oh me too - what a wonderful and articulate response filmbuff. Especially the part about bringing something beautiful into a world that seems dark and bleak. Fantastic.
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@Angelwhispers (8978)
• United States
17 May 07
Thank you filmbuff, You know I had already thought that about you. Nothing you have really said to me made me think that, just watching and reading your posts over all, I thought you might be one of those creatively depressed sort of individuals. :))) When you have more to say I am actively looking forward to it.
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@egfitz62150 (645)
• United States
4 Jun 07
Hmmmm. I think that it's a brain location thing. The same side of the brain that spawns creativity may also affect emotions. The ability (or urge) to express the creativity seems also to allow the emotions to be inundated with chemicals which cause them to run amok. I've met many highly intelligent people who are depressed but not creative, too. Oops, that may disprove my location theory! Anyway, whether externalizing to relieve the pain, or creating beauty to obliterate or disguise it, there is a definite connection there. JMHO
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
3 Jun 07
Well I don't have depression, but I do have anxiety disorder with agoraphobia...although I'm working to overcome this problem...I think a lot of people who have depression and on the flip of the coin anxiety disorders tend to be above average people...and usually have high creative abilities...I for instance am a photographer who has been published, a writer and have had some short stories published, I make crafts, and am an artist--in school I was always an honor student to boot...So I might not a depressed genius, but a panic disorder genius...LOL
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@Angelwhispers (8978)
• United States
3 Jun 07
Pyewacket, yes indeedy you qualify for the quack genius category of this discussion :))) Nice response here :))
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@Angelwhispers (8978)
• United States
3 Jun 07
Na I am a depressed happy idiot :))) no qualifications here :))) Dang thats a big word :)))
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@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
3 Jun 07
Why thank you ---how about you...do you qualify?...LOL
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@creativemind755 (400)
• United States
5 Jun 07
I'm definitely a depressed genius!
I'm an artist at heart, and I think that true artists, of ANY GENRE (music, writing, painting, acting, singing, comedy, sculpting, composing, crafting, etc.) usually have ALOT of depression in their lives, 4 a few different reasons.
1st, society, as a WHOLE, DOESN'T respect, NOR APPRECIATE an artist's "plight". The average conventional person is CLUELESS about the PROCESS of producing a fine piece of art. The general public is ALSO "clueless" about the journey 2-wards "making it", in whatever field u're pursuing. Because society basically ONLY appreciates a "finished product", and many respect art as a COMMODITY ONLY, this can be quite disheartening 2 artists.
Also, the "best", most SOULFUL art, is overflowing with PASSION and EMOTION, and many times, that passion, those emotions, and that SOUL, come from PAIN and STRUGGLE! U can't sing the BLUES (4 example) if u've never HAD any "blues" in your OWN life!
Artists also tend 2 be very MOODY, so those mood "shifts" can quite often go 2 depression rather quickly and easily.
Plus, the "greats" look at life in a DEEP way, and when u go DEEP, u WILL be depressed, when u look at the REALITY of most things, and stop DELUDING yourself! Like the old saying goes: "IGNORANCE is 'bliss' "! But, the TRUTH HURTS! Ultimately, though, the truth sets u FREE!
I think the Universe blesses artists of ALL kinds with our "genius" talent, as an OUTLET 4 all of our pain. It sort of "balances the scales" of our lives. We have more "lows" than the average person, but we also have more "highs", and it can be a "euphoric" feeling when a piece is completed. It's like giving "birth". As a composer, I look at my compositions as my "children"!
As far as a "happy idiot", I can't relate!
I'm certainly no "idiot", and I've yet 2 be TRULY HAPPY, on ALL LEVELS!
That's what I'm journeying 2-wards, though.
Total self acceptance, self LOVE, and being at PEACE with myself!
Then, maybe I WILL be a "happy idiot"!
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@Angelwhispers (8978)
• United States
5 Jun 07
Thank you so much for that wonderful look into what is for a creative person their world. You spoke well, and I see much truth in what you are saying. Thank you for the contribution to this discussion.
U can't sing the BLUES (4 example) if u've never HAD any "blues" in your OWN life! Sooooo Soooooo very true.
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@creativemind755 (400)
• United States
5 Jun 07
Thank u 4 the compliments, Angelwhispers!
And, it was my pleasure 2 contribute!
Great topic!
@witchysoul (186)
• United States
4 Jun 07
I'm somewhere in between. :p
I'm a poser genius... which makes me an idiot. :)) But I'm happy with my life! Which makes me... a happy idiot! Recently, I experienced depression because of studying too much for my licensure exam and pondering so much about my boyfriend who is so loyal and loving. I'd write poems and compose songs so I would have an outlet of my depression. Maybe the reason why I got over that episode so quickly is that my body couldn't stand it. My brain was probably saying, "You're no good in writing and creating music, go back to being the happy idiot that you are."
And so, here I am, smiling at myself and at my life. Once in a while I'd pretend being genius but then again my body would respond quickly. ;p
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@Angelwhispers (8978)
• United States
4 Jun 07
We all have periods of depression, if you are alive you have suffered. studying to much for a fact will do it. Not only the study itself but the pressure we put on our selves to succeed. I was that way when I was studying for my state boards. I thought I would go insane from anxiety and worry. But I did it I got through it and it was all worth it.!
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@witchysoul (186)
• United States
5 Jun 07
Hey thanks. :) Yeah, that reminds me of Meredith in Grey's Anatomy, she said in one episode, "Maybe we like the pain. Maybe we're wired that way. Because without it, I don't know; maybe we just wouldn't feel real. What's that saying? Why do I keep hitting myself with a hammer? Because it feels so good when I stop."
:)
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@sukumar794 (5040)
• Thiruvananthapuram, India
10 Jun 07
As for me, I wouldn't describe myself as a genius though personally I'm one of depressed lot . It is often recognized that the sweet songs are those that tell us of the saddest truths . Hence only depressed souls can imbibe the true realities of life .
@flpoolbum (2978)
• United States
22 Jul 07
I am bi-polar and I think that I do my best work in the manic state. I do my best writing when I am manic, too. Maybe the experiences of the depression give me some insight. During my manic times, I have written a lot of pieces right here in MyLot about being informed and writing to your government officials to encourage them how to vote for upcoming bills. I also try to encourage others to do the same. My battle cry acknowledges that "Together, WE CAN make a difference".
@alevazevedo (37)
•
10 Jun 07
i was once a happy child and i remember being upset but could easyly look into the brighter side of things, now everything is changed. i have developed a new way of thinking, boserving peoples actions and reaction. this puts you on a different level because it lets you judge people by their silly involuntary or even voluntary behavior. it helps me to not have the same mistakes, but at one point i feel depressed just by thinking how bad the human been is.
@yamskee (827)
• Philippines
19 Jul 07
i consider myself as a happy idiot. i dont know how to consider myself as one but i dont care much about the details, i focus on fun and enjoyment that i may encounter or i want to experience. my friends call me a genius, but i prefer being an idiot.