Ok, I'm Pro Mind-Your-Own-Business. What are you?

Feel free to use that all you want. And thanks for the support, I appreciate it. ...and thanks for the compliments, too.

Thanks for the support, Rosie. ...just saying what I feel.

It does seem that way, yet they've basically kicked God out of state owned schools, sports & hard telling what else...but some of these politicians claim to be religious. Hmmmm...more food for thought. Always good to hear from ya, whether we're in agreement or not :) Sorry it took me two months to spot this response (insert red faced smiley here).

Thanks for the best response. Regardless of how either you or I feel about Rudy Gulianni, he won't be the next President of the United States. Everybody is backstabbing him, including the Religious Right, John McCain, the current Mayor of New York (Bloomberg) and others. What ever happen in the separation between Church and State? It seems as if the Church is more involved in State affairs more than ever. Lloyd

...and all the people who have been injured and killed at clinics all across the U.S. by Pro-Life Extremists...

...and you were saying, Jay?

Exactly, it's like saying "if you harm one single life, we'll kill you!"

I see your point, and respect your take on it, but I'm not going to go into detail. If you don't see my point, I can live with that. Thanks for stopping by, I do appreciate your response, Rose.

Hi, rose, guess this is one of those things where friends disagree. Of course a woman should have complete control over what happens to, with and in her body. Why in the world shouldn't she? I do understand the basic human-from-conception position, and that religious beliefs exert a great deal of influence here. My problem with it is, it completely subjugates the will of the unquestionably alive and endowed-with-certain-inalienable-rights woman carrying the pregnancy to the needs of the embryo inside. As a matter of biological fact, the name for a life form contained inside the body of another, which drains the host's resources, contributes nothing to the host's well-being and cannot survive outside the host, is parasite. A desireable parasite is a parasite nonetheless. Until about 30 weeks, a human fetus is incapable of sustaining its own life functions outside the womb. It should be unthinkable that an American citizen wouldn't have the right to decide whether to continue to host a parasite and endure the substantial risk to health from carrying it. This doesn't mean I advocate the horrific partial-birth abortions referred to above. I'm talking about the 1st trimester. I actually believe that the pro-life movement is another product of the unquenchable male desire to control women's behavior. I like the old t-shirt: if men got pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament! Be well, rose!

I hear ya, it disgusts me too that people are using it as birth control, but that's the downside. If they take away that right for that reason, women who actually need the abortion (tubal pregnancy, incest rape, etc.) won't be able to get them either, at least not legally and safely.

Ament to that! ...all aspects of you comment ring true to me.

I was wondering how long it would take you to show up. Pardon me for misunderstanding most of your prior posts on this topic throughout the forum as highly judgemental. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has made that assumption. Had you read the entire thread, you might see a spot or two where I mention that I do not agree with abortion, but making what other women do my business isn't my thing. To be honest, I'm more worried about preserving that freedom we share to think and speak freely than I am about what individuals are doing. With the bill that got passed yesterday, that freedom might be a thing of the past within the next year and a half. Thanks for stopping by, and please be aware that this wasn't about one of your posts. This is about getting the "other" view as much coverage in here as the pro-life view.

It's borne into me to mind my own business, I guess. Most of my family is that way, both sides. It's hard to explain how I personally don't believe in abortion, but don't believe it's my place to tell another woman what to do with her body. And in all honesty, no matter how crude it may seem, any being that lives solely from another is in fact part of that being, though I agree that the soul and mind are separate from the first moment. I'm mistaken about the bill that was passed yesterday, btw. That bill concerned $120 billion more for the war. Whatever the name of this legislation I was referring to is, I'm not sure, but Bush has given himself sole power over calling martial law, as well as given him dictatorial powers should martial law be called. This will mean no more Constitutional or civil rights, curfews, basically an end to American life as we know it...should martial (or is it marshall?) law be called. It's already been predicted by Bush himself that Osama (sp?) is at it again and we are expected to experience more terrorism in the near future. If the prediction comes true, that will give him cause to call martial law. Maybe I'm paranoid, but then again, maybe I'm not.

Nope, you're not the only one that thinks that all pro-lifers are judgemental. That is the way we are catagorized it seems. Maybe not, maybe it is just me that always gets the finger pointed at as being judgemental but to each it's out I suppose. I feel very strongly about abortion so I tend to get very passionate and heated when talking about it. To be quite honest with you, I don't understand how anyone can be against abortion yet support a woman in allowing her to "do whatever she wants with her body" inturn stopping a human life from begining. And don't worry, I am not attacking you - my sister has the same view as you and she and I get in the same heated discussions (except more-so cuz she is my sister lol). And to even further that, I use to share the same view till about 5 years ago. What bill are you refering to that got passed yesterday? You shouldn't worry about the "other" view not getting a fair shake - it seems that there are alot more pro-choice members on mylot then there are pro-lifers. I don't think that abolishing abortion would hender our freedom to think and speak freely. I do think it will maybe make women (and men) think smarter about the decisions that they make in life. We all have freewill, we all have a brain, and we all have choices that we make in our life that effects not only our lives, but the lives of others as well. Maybe if abortion is illegal, people will start to think of certain decisions they make and quite possibly make a different choice when faced with a very life altering decision. I know it's not only pro-choice people that are making it hard to get abortion illegal. I know that there has to be eaiser ways to get permanent birth conrtol or more effective birth control in order to even start the process of abolishing abortion.

Amen to that, Foreman. Leave the judging to God.

Right, somethings must be under law, but I don't think abortion is one of them. Women who have that decision to make are going through enough trauma and don't need to made to feel worse about it. If other people want to use those neat little boxes, let them, but they need to keep their neat little boxes out of other folks' ways.

Glad you found a place to vent that pent up frustration. I'll ask what I like and you'd do well to take your own advice. If you don't like my discussion, no one is twisting your arm to comment. Have a nice day.

My rant, yes, it was a rant, is about people judging others and telling other women what to do. Informing is one thing, carrying on about how people are murderers and are going to hell, saying how raped women should have to carry and give the child up for adoption, etc. Basically I am ranting about extremists. There's a lot more detrimental things going on in our country besides abortion. My apologies for misunderstanding your comment. I can see the irony in my asking "what are you?" I was pissed. Cut me some slack.

How could you take what I said as a rant? I am asking you how you can ask people what they are and not expect them to answer you thus they would be stating if they are pro choice or against abortion. I was not ranting. I think a lot of people that are against abortion are trying to make people aware of how horrific it can be. I myself did not even know what partial birth abortion entailed until last year. I was horrified. I didnt learn about it here but I am glad I did learn what it was. My point is, if no one had written the discussion I read I would have had no idea what it entailed. If one of these discussions makes a person that may be contenplating having an abortion and changes her mind, dont you think it would be worth it? Yes it is a persons own business if they get an abortion I dont disagree with you there but maybe if they knew the facts involved it would help them decide. There are young girls on here that ask questions on this subject as they do every subject. I try not to respond to questions that I dont know the facts about but for the people who do there is a thing called Free Speech.

Thanks, Tammy. Well said. Thanks so much for taking the time to stop by. Sorry I didn't get back to you right away, I'm still tying up month end duties. I knew if I came in, I'd stay, lol.

The celebs are spoiled and don't want to be on America's horribly long adoption waiting list. Thanks for stopping by :)

Thanks, Gorgeous. It's nice to know I'm not alone in this boat. I'm guilty of judging people that judge others, if that makes sense at all. LOL I think Everlast said it best: "If ya ever had to walk a mile in her shoes, then ya really might know what it's like to have to choose."

It may not be my life taken, but it's a life taken. The dismemberment of babes in the womb and the stabbing of them in the base of the head at birth should be against the law. Period. I am always shocked to think a so called advanced and humane society believes it's someone's freedom of choice to kill, and take life. Mark my words, next it will be euthanasia, and not just in terminal illness! What age will be deemed too old? (And what degree of handicapped?) When we're the ones too old, what will we think then? - Don't think it will happen? Too bad we couldn't ask Martha Washington if dismembering babes and dragging them out of the womb piece by piece would ever occur and be defended? Let alone what goes on in the partial birth terminations. [UNbelievable!]

I repeat: If you want to be an activist, pay attention to what is going on in the world. Screaming about embryo rights is not stopping this war or anything else that is way bigger than this insanity about Martha Washington. Get a grip.

hahaha yeah I know that was not a very well thought out reply to your topic, sorry my mind is on my hub pages sudden boost of visitors at the moment, good tip is add related links to your hub, mine are going mental!!!

Oh a slack knacker is a loose ball sack!!

First: It's all good, I get it. Checking out the hub pages at the moment. Second: hahahahahahahahaha

I'm 49 minutes late to a meeting. OY! Just now remembered...oh well, that's only the second meeting I've missed in two days due to losing track of time. Godspeed & bank fat loot!

You have that right. Thank you for stopping by.

The topic I can ignore, and usually do, but it's the bossy, holier than thou, judgemental attitudes that go with this topic that irritate me. I felt it was time to start a topic where another view can be heard.

So what you did was start a pro-choice discussion for those that think abortion is ok. :) So much for pro-mind your own business.

Now you know some Mylotters are perfect. LOL. What were you thinking?

Amen to that, Perspectives! Love that live and let live attitude you're sporting today...looks lovely on you.