Spanking IS ok
By sunshinecup
@sunshinecup (7871)
May 22, 2007 8:19am CST
There is no conclusive evidence that spanking your children will teach them to be violent and/or create misfits adults. In fact the whole notation of not spanking your child, is based on ideas (pushed by the media) and inconclusive, highly controversial evidence. What’s more amazing it goes against centuries of proof that support different. Spanking has been an acceptable form of correction for the majority for many generations with an outcome of a preponderance of well-behaved and perfectly functioning children who remain the same after reaching adulthood. Yet NOW in the days of “no spanking” children have no respect for each other, police officers, teachers and yes, even their parents.
“Spanking is child abuse” anything when taken pass moderation is abusive. Leaving a child in timeout for an excessive amount of time is considered abuse or the use of improper places, as in stories from the media, closets and cages.
Am I saying go ahead and start spanking today? No, what I am suggesting is parents should be free to rear their children in accordance with their own values and traditions without facing possible prosecution and/or public scrutiny because they include spanking.
What are your thoughts on this?
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43 responses
@ctrymuziklvr (11057)
• United States
22 May 07
There's a big stink going on here in Boston about this and I have my personal feelings after bringing up 3 great kids. I spanked my kids and by "spank" I mean with an open hand on their behinds. Sometimes when their small they get into such a tizzy that it's the only way to get their attention and let them know that your not playing games and mean business. None of my kids are violent or misfit adults and I'm proud of all of them. Even though I spanked them they don't spank their own kids which according to "those who know" they should practically be beating up on them. This is all coming a little late too because of some of the laws that are on the books such as if a child tells a teacher he was spanked that teacher is mandated to get DSS or whatever child protective agency involved. It has to be a tough call for them because there are a lot of parents who take the whole spanking thing way to far and end up abusing children.
Parents should feel free to bring up their children in their own traditional ways and spanking is not going to hurt anyone....except the parent who will end up with the red hand as I usually did..lol...
@sunshinecup (7871)
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22 May 07
Thanks for the reply. I have been hearing about whats going on in Boston. Is it there that they are wanting to put up "No spanking" signs through out public? I know I read that somewhere but I can remember where that is going on.
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@repzkoopz (1895)
• Philippines
22 May 07
for me, its not really the behavior of my child i'm concerned about. its the way my child would respect me.
i don't want my child to fear me because i spank her everytime she does something i don't like. i don't want her to respect me out of fear. i want her to respect me because i'm a good and responsible father who teaches her the difference between right and wrong.
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@sunshinecup (7871)
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22 May 07
Thanks for the reply and I appreciate your opinion. However I just have to add one thing. As a child who's parents corrected with spankings, I never feared my parents for that. My girls whom has had a spanking or two in their lives, both want to be me when they grow up, so I don't think there is any fear there as well. Spanking or what ever method choosen, should be followed up with consultaion as well as with love. My girls know why they are in trouble and no matter what wrongs they make, I still love them.
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@sunshinecup (7871)
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22 May 07
That is an excellent point, a punishment no matter what form used, should be followed by explanation as well as love.
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@repzkoopz (1895)
• Philippines
22 May 07
well.. i can't agree more.. you're right about that.. i was in a notion that you were referring to heavy spanking everytime they make a mistake.
in fact, i myself, am heavily spanked by my dad during my childhood, but i didn't become violent.
it wouldn't be so bad if you spank them lightly, just to catch their attention. just be sure to follow up with a short talk to let them know why they're being punished.
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@Marie2473 (8512)
• Sweden
22 May 07
I do not agree with spanking, however that might also have alot to do with how I was raised. Just before I was born, spanking actually became illegal here in sweden and it still is. My parents never spanked any of us kids and we still turned out fine. I belive that there are so many other ways to get your point through, rather than spanking.
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@Marie2473 (8512)
• Sweden
22 May 07
The law came 1979 to be exact and I have done some reading on it now, and i read the law as it is forbidden to more or less touch your child in that way. There was a quote sayin;
Children have the right to caring, safety and a good upbringing. Childreb should be treated with respect for their person and kind and can NOT be exposed to body punishment or other degrading treatment.
I am sure that it is not 100 % correctly translated =)
If u are more interested I found a link in english :-)
http://www.neverhitachild.org/haeuser.html
@sunshinecup (7871)
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22 May 07
You are very right, no corporal punishment of children is allowed in Sweden. However in my efforts to finding a definition of the law I found several other articles on this topic, which is now giving me several new questions.
It’s seem Sweden passed these laws to wipe out abuse and uses it to draw attention to child abuse cases. However there are neither recent nor accurate studies to support that… A. Children of Sweden are now healthier due to the anti-spanking laws and B. Sweden has had a drop in child abuse cases since the law.
When this law was passed the public was loaded down with tons of information on child abuse and other forms of correcting their children. That alone I assumed would make a huge change as well as a drop in abuse cases. However the further I read, it appears it hasn't AND that assault cases by an adult to an adult, are higher now in Sweden. Intersting some sources are claiming child abuse is on the rise,
http://www.neverhitachild.org/haeuser.html
“Was the apparent increase in the Swedish child abuse rate only a temporary increase following their anti-spanking law? More recent data on Swedish child abuse rates would help answer that question. One piece of subsequent data was the 6.5 cases of physical child abuse per 1,000 children in official 1986 Swedish police statistics, which was substantially higher than the 2.2 per 1,000 known to police or sheriffs in the USA. The other available evidence is the sharp increase in physical child abuse in Swedish police records from 1981 through 1994, along with a similar sharp increase in certain assaults by minors.”
I am still searching the net, but this one source is an example of many I am coming across. This has made for some interesting research Marie, :-)
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@sunshinecup (7871)
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22 May 07
Marie as always, thanks for your honest reply. I do have a question, what are the laws as they pertain to spanking in detail. Do they prohibit all forms of physical contact or limiting areas or extremes? Like for instance a slight smack on the hand, would that be considered a spanking? Or a swat on the bottom? Just curious.
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@spiritwolf52 (2300)
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22 May 07
My generation saw nothing wrong with spanking a child. With some kids it is all they understand. Government has no right to tell parents how to raise their kids. The parent knows what will work best. Teachers used to take rulers to us when we were young. We are so afraid of being politically correct that are kids are getting out of control. Take back the right to raise your kids. Words don't work with everyone, sometimes you just need to spank. Let the parents do their jobs.
@sunshinecup (7871)
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22 May 07
You are so right, being politically correct has screwed so many things up in our society than it has improved them including preventing parents from being the parent.
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@cook1974 (16)
• United States
23 May 07
the government doesn't want us to spank our children and they have taken paddling out of the schools, and look at how our schools are now alot of children get in truoble at school because they know that they can't be paddled, and if a parent spanks or does anything the kids know the can just yell abuse, and then the parents feel they have to walk on egg shells or have to deal with cps every time the child diagrees with the parent, i was spanked and i have respect for people and am well rounded, the law doesn't want us to spank but when our kids are out of control and are in juvenile centers then they want to hold us accountable. let us raise our kids how we see fit and maybe they won't end up in juvi, i am not saying beat your kids but let us be parents other wise don't blame us if they are out of control
@lightningMD (5931)
• United States
22 May 07
I think each set of parents should decide together on a disipline policy. Wether it be spanking,grounding or time outs. THen they need to support each other in this decision. What we do is a warning first if she doesnt listen to us we send her to her room to sit on her bed for five minutes. If her attitude hasnt changed when she returns to the family there is a good chance that the next step will be her father spanking her. Luckily time-out seems to work great as she gets older. She hates being removed from the family.
@sunshinecup (7871)
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22 May 07
I agree, both parents should agree on how best to discipline their children. I also think they should stick to it and be consecutive with it.
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@wildflower520 (14)
• United States
22 May 07
Thank you. I was spanked on a occasion and turned out just fine. Its funny hearing experts say that the south is still backwards because we still firmly believe in spanking, but I can tell you from experience the south is one of the few places left where children still say yes mam and no sir.
@sunshinecup (7871)
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22 May 07
LOL, that is a great point! We also have fewer gang problems as many other states in the North have. Our little want to be thugs will get yanked home by momma for acting like a fool in public. I assure you she isn't taking him home to discuss his feelings either.
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@desertdarlene (8910)
• United States
22 May 07
I think an occasional spanking for good reason is OK. But, I was spanked a lot and for almost any reason. It was mostly done out of anger. And, I still never respected my parents. In fact, it indicated to me that it was OK to hit people when you are angry. It took me a long time to get over that. I'm lucky I was never arrested for hitting anyone, because I could have been.
Some parents don't just spank kids to get their attention or to punish them, they go overboard and take out all their anger on their family this way.
I think that there have always been problems with kids respecting their parents and I don't think spanking increases or decreases that. My mother says she was rarely ever spanked.
@sunshinecup (7871)
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22 May 07
Yes, parents should not spank or correct in any form for that matter out of anger. Here in my house we have a cooling off rule. We have to cool off before the punishment is delt out.
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@awonderfullife (2893)
• United States
22 May 07
This is a very heated topic. I woudl agree that back in my day, many parents spanked. My mom never did, but my dad did once in a while. Only if we did something really bad. It certainly didn't scar me for life.
That said, I never spank my kids. I just don't think it makes any sense. I try to make the punishment fit the crime. I would rather talk to my kids, take away a privilege or sit them in their room for a few minutes (4 minutes is a long time for a 4 year old). Most of my friends and neighbors do the same. The one kid who I know gets spanked is the mosty misbehaved kid on the block. Not sure if there's a connection there, but I think his parents use spanking as their only form of discipline.
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@pumpkinjam (8770)
• United Kingdom
22 May 07
I don't think it's right to only spank and not talk to a child. The only times my kids get smacked is if I have told them 2 or 3 times that they have done something wrong. It's not too bad with my oldest because he is 7 and old enough to understand when I tell him off. My 23 month old, however, can be naughty and doesn't always understand if I talk to him so I just tap his hand so he knows he's done something wrong.
I agree that the punishment should fit the crime. I also know that, after having "lectures" from my dad when I was younger, I would rather have had a smack because that takes a second but talking to us seemed to go on forever!
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@sunshinecup (7871)
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23 May 07
Yes, spanking alone will do no good. Thanks for sharing your opinion.
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@misheleen73 (6037)
• United States
22 May 07
There have been so many debates on this topic everywhere you go. I know people say there are "other methods" and "children do not need to be spanked" I might suggest to them that maybe they got lucky and have kids that listen and follow directions. There were children back when I was growing up that didn't get spanked either. They were what other kids called "nerds or geeks" and parents called "well behaved" Every child is different, every person is different. For example: take a family that has 2 children. One child grows up to be a criminal and the other grows up to be a police officer. Let's take for granted they were both raised the exact same way, with the exact same discipline, parents, environment, everything exactly the same. How does this happen then? This happens because each individual is unique. I have 2 boys, The eldest (10) is ADHD and very very smart. The youngest (7)is not ADHD and smart, but not quite as smart as the eldest. Now, the eldest gets in trouble and does not listen, does not stop talking for 5 minutes to try to get his point across, and will break into an emotional fit. My youngest, gets in trouble and walks away like nothing happened. They are two very different kids, in the same house, with the same rules, punishment and discipline. I don't think abuse is right. Not by a long shot. But if a child needs a good whack on the bottom to make him behave, who gave the rest of the world the right to tell me, I, as a parent cannot do that?
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@sunshinecup (7871)
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22 May 07
Great points! We are not saying everyone should spank their kid(s), but to allow all parents to decided whether they should or not. If spanking is the option, as with any punishment not done in extreme, shouldn't that be our choice without being accused of being bad parents? Generations upon generations were raised with spankings, yet they turned out fine.
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@kakemafarm (492)
• United States
22 May 07
IT'S ABOUT TIME!!! My goodness, people are finally seeing the light! Don't get me wrong, I don't get some sick joy out of spanking my kids but I do what needs to be done and woe to the person who tells me I am doing something wrong! My mom used spanking as a form of punishment as did her mom, we are all totally normal. Out of the whole neighborhood, my kids are probably the most normal kids around, respectful to me, other parents and authority figures. Why is this? Because they know that if they step out of line they will get punished. It is true though that you can punish your kids in ways other than spanking, using time-outs or whatever. The key is consistancy, if you don't punish your kids for doing wrong in a consistant manner, they are going to walk all over you and anybody else that gets in their way. I am tired of the media and government telling parents that spanking is wrong and then parents crying because they can't control their kids. This is welcome news that the whole view on spanking is going to be turned around. Perhaps this generation can be salvaged after all?
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@sunshinecup (7871)
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22 May 07
I do have hope this non sense with anti-spanking is on it's way back out the door. Yes, there needed to be clear guidelines set as to what is and is not abuse, that I can say was something productive that came out of this mess. However the logic, if one spanks they are permanently damaging their child is going against centuries of proof that is not so. How can anyone grab on to something so unfounded and run with it is beyond me.
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@dlkuku (1935)
• United States
22 May 07
There is a huge difference between beating a child and discipline in love. I spanked my children when necessary, two of them rarely, the middle child more so, but my oldest and middle child are both grown now and have turned out to be respectable and responsible adults.
Too often these days you see children acting out and screaming their heads off in public, while the parent then gives in to the child. If my children would have behaved like that, you would be sure they would have gotten a spanking. However I never ever had a problem like that with my children, they knew better.
Spanking is not child abuse when not done in anger.
@sunshinecup (7871)
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23 May 07
"Spanking is not child abuse when not done in anger."
Well put, I agree!
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@miamilady (4910)
• United States
26 Jun 07
Brave of you to take on this controversial issue!
I agree that parents should be allowed to discipline in their own form to a certain degree. The problem is that it is so hard to figure out wher the line is on "tough love" and abuse. Even spanking can go to far and become abusive.
In a perfect word, parents would discipline their children effectively and intervetion from govermental agencies would not be necessary.
Unfortunately, abuse does exist. This has cause it to become necessary for people to intervene in eachothers families. Sometimes it happens that people intervene unecessarily. Somtimes children are taken away from their parents when they shouldn't be.
I don't think spaking is something that should cause a child to be taken away from their parent, but it seems that people being overly concerned about spanking is a bi-product of the fact that there are many abusers out there and intervention has become a necessary evil.
In my personal experience, spanking did NOT work.
When my daughter was about 3 years old, she became quite unruly. I resorted to spanking quite a few times hoping that it would help. In our case, it actually made her worse. She's a stubborn person to this day. The spanking made her an angrier child and she just would not back down.
I determined that spanking was not working and I stopped. As the years moved on, she has calmed down year by year. She still is a discipline challenge, but overall she's a great kid. She's happy and fun and is well liked. She still has moments where she lacks respect, but this is something I work on with her continually.
One last thing that I would like to say...
Some people confuse respect with fear. There is a huge difference. When a child behaves out of fear, that is not the same thing as respect. I decided a long time ago that I could stand a little bit of lack of respect rather than have my child fear me.
@sunshinecup (7871)
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26 Jun 07
Some people confuse respect with fear.
It's funny you pointed that out. I watched wife swap last night and there was a family there that I felt did that IMO. Not with the use of spanking, but with the use of God. The girls, one being 14 years old, could not pick out their own clothes, have boys that were friends, any privacy and allowed to question their parents because, none of these things would please God. They also in order to please God, had to do all the house work, but not their brother, because in their house there was “Man law”, which means males are to be treated like Kings cause the Bible said so. To me they were using God as something to fear as a means of controlling their children. I felt like that was abusive.
With that said, I have seen some suggest Religion is child abuse and I am reckoning they are looking at cases like just like this one, to make that the call. I however feel, as with spanking, religion can be a positive tool when used wisely. So to me it's not the act that is wrong, it's how it is used because anything can become abusive when used incorrectly or to extreme.
Brave of you to take on this controversial issue!
LOL, have you not read all of my topics?? I like to debate :o)
Thanks for taking the time to give a wonderful logical response, plus to you!
@mean_queen (1713)
• Malaysia
22 May 07
I personally think that all of this is totally overrated! My siblings and I have been spanked by my parents since we were old enough to understand.. None of us became serial killers or rapists.. We all grew up to be normal adults.. Spanking is not the same as physical abuse! The media has turned it into such a big deal, and kids who are clever enough will use this against their parents so they won't get punished! Everyone wants to be politically correct nowadays! Can you just imagine a politician giving a pro spanking speech for his family campaign run!?? That wouldn't turn out good would it? So basically, I have nothing against spanking as long as parents know where to draw the line..
@sunshinecup (7871)
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22 May 07
Thanks for the reply and you hit it right on the head! The media took a few like Dr. Spock (who said we should NEVER punish a child) and Thomas Gordon (who thinks we should treat children like an adult or friend), and made them the poster child of parenting experts, reciting their opinions as unquestionable sound rules for rearing perfect children. The fact is, neither actually based their conclusions on any sound studies or research, but mostly their opinions. In fact that is the case for many of this "experts" still reciting this stuff. Again, they are going against centuries of proof that they are wrong. By their own logic, society couldn't have possibly flourished and evolved since spanking was an acceptable form of punishment for the majority until recently. However, it has and the majority of our society is not social violent misfits, like they claim spanking should have made of them.
@hillbillyonline (2)
• United States
22 May 07
I agree, I have 2 children and from time to time they tend to take advantage of thinking they can do what ever they want. You can yell all you want and take things away.In the the end the only thing they will understand is you punishing them by spanking they know you mean business and usually think before they do it next time. I hate to spank my kids but every once in a blue moon they need to understand and know who the boss really is.
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@reinydawn (11643)
• United States
26 Jun 07
I spanked my children, and they turned out pretty good if you ask me. They rarely talked back to me, usually did what I told them to do or what was expected of them without much of a hassle. My sister-in-law does NOT spank her children at all and they are so out of control it's unbeleivable! Last weekend we were at a family reunion and all she did was run around yelling at the kids. One good whack on the bottom would have solved half her problems. But if she had been doing it from the start it wouldn't have been so out of hand at this point. She's going to have a very hard time as they get older and realize there is no consequences for their actions.
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@sunshinecup (7871)
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26 Jun 07
Hi rieny! Yep, I have seen it too many times to count. Yes there are plenty of other options to correct our children. I say pick and choose why just use one, but it just seems like the children that have had a pop on the rear from time or two, are the best well behaved children on a whole.
Thanks for the reply and nice to see you again.
@umavarma1 (926)
• India
23 May 07
i dont encourage spanking.Hitting children teaches them to become hitters themselves. Extensive research data is now available to support a direct correlation between corporal punishment in childhood and aggressive or violent behavior in the teenage and adult years. Virtually all of the most dangerous criminals were regularly threatened and punished in childhood. It is nature's plan that children learn attitudes and behaviors through observation and imitation of their parents' actions, for good or ill. Thus it is the responsibility of parents to set an example of empathy and wisdom.
@sunshinecup (7871)
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23 May 07
Actually there is very little unbiased research proving this or any indepth studies. By their own logic, our society would not prosper as it has due to the ill effects of childhood spankings. Secondly, it does not explain the children that are violent and aggressive that are not spanked.
Hitting is not a learned action but a nature instinct, it's call defense. Just like biting and screeming. However to the degree they do it could be influenced by their environment. I did not hit because I was spanked, I hit to defend myself when another child struck me. My parents never made me feel I had to defend myself when they were correcting me, I knew when I did wrong and excepted the punishment. I also knew hitting others was wrong and in no way associated with being punished. Just like the majority of us that were spanked as children.
@umavarma1 (926)
• India
23 May 07
ya you are right..and its a good topic you have selected
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@mskzalameda (4023)
• Philippines
23 May 07
spanking, I think will do no good in a parent child relationship. I think it can only worsen the situation. Well, I am a product of that and I must say that I started to hate my parents for spanking me everyday. yes, everyday and treating me like a child. I ran and leave them to avoid those maltreatments I felt. well, the good side of it? I will try my best to prove them that this child they spank almost anytime of the day then will show the true meaning of life without violence in it.
spanking is not really a way to discipline a child. It can be passed on from the present generation to the next generation. even if the child thinks that it is no good, he will still have the guts to do it to his future children as a sign of sweet revenge. "my parents did this to me when I was a child and I will just do it to mine in return. my parents are meant to be my role model so I will do this. When they see I'm spanking my children, they'll stop me from spanking their grandchildren and I will say in front of their face that this is what you've done to me then and no what? you just want me to stop just like that? you think I will..."
well, those are only the things I imagine my friend, only plain imagination. I don't know someone who have done this in real life and I wish not to do this in the future. :)
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@sunshinecup (7871)
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23 May 07
Every day? I am sorry but what your are describing sounds a bit like abuse. At least not a healthy environment any way. It sounds like things were taken to extreme.
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@mskzalameda (4023)
• Philippines
23 May 07
not now, I feel like free now he he! I am not on their house now. :)
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@wachit14 (3595)
• United States
23 May 07
Spanking is child abuse. If you are caught spanking your child, you risk having your children taken away from you. Spanking doesn't teach children to be respectful; it teaches them to be afraid of their parents. Spanking is not discipline. Discipline is all about setting specific guidelines and limitations for your children that are consistent. It is also about giving your children some control over their own lives so that they learn to take responsibility for themselves and learn how to make good choices.
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@sunshinecup (7871)
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23 May 07
No if you are caught spanking your children you are at risk of being investigated, not loosing your children. There must me proof of child abuse before they can remove your children. However with that said, that is the point of this post. Spanking has never been proven to be abuse and there is a huge difference between the two.
As for fearing my parents, I was not afraid of my parents, I was afraid of misbehaving, like many of us spanked as children.
You are correct and I agree with you, we as parents must set guidelines and enforce them. As they grow, we will have to give them room to make their own choices. However, that has nothing to do with spanking being a perfectly fine form of correction.
@ariesflame (188)
• United States
23 May 07
I believe it's okay to spank in the right circumstances. Some kids it works on..some it doesn't. My 7yr old it doesn't work on at all anymore so I don't do it often. But, my four year old really hates the idea and will usually shape up under threat of a spanking. Most of the time though the only reason we spank is for dishonesty. We have a time out chair that they have to sit in as well, and when I have to spank them for dishonesty, they have to come to me..I don't go to them. They also have to tell me what they did to get themselves in that situation and how they will avoid it in the future. (by not lying or whatever.). But, I do believe that for the most part spanking is okay. I was spanked..with various things...from wooden spoons to 1x8 boards. I turned out okay. My parents were all-purpose spankers, as in it worked for pretty much every offense but not every time. We do have offenses like lying that will get them spanked every time. But mostly I use time out. It's a lot of work to spank a child. I am always worn out afterwards. I also think that there are folks that swear they don't spank their kids because they are afraid that child services will be at their door. I don't blame them in some cases..child services over does it a lot of the time. However, I think if you are going to do it then you make it more wrong by denying that you do it. (my mom and dad both deny that they ever used anything to spank us with etc) and us kids don't even care we just like watching the parents squirm when we bring it up LOL. SO, I truly entirely agree with your statement Sunshinecup!
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@sunshinecup (7871)
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23 May 07
Thanks! We use spanking like you as a capital punishment here in our house. For lying or stealing. Just about everything else can be corrected using other methods. I think using the same technique over and over can cause the child to become immune to it. I also agree with you, some children it will not work for while others it does. We parents just have to figure our children out and use what we feel is best for them, without the government and society trying to interfere.
@devilsangel (1817)
• United States
22 May 07
I agree that spanking a child properly and only when needed has not proven to cause any harm to that childs development. If anything it teaches them that there are consequences to their actions, be it good or bad. I am also for time out and just about any type of disipline that doesn't involve causing abusive harm to the child. My method of disipline is plucking fingers, because its proven to be most effective. I mean if you knew your hands would get poped for touching something odds are you wouldn't touch it. Keeps things from getting broken around here :)
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@sunshinecup (7871)
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22 May 07
This is true, so true. We could be like my father in law and just let them learn naturally what cause and effect is. He allowed the kids to stick their finger in the light sockets and things like that. To me I rather smack their hands if explaining didn't work over letting them get shocked. What if the breaker didn't trip?
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@devilsangel (1817)
• United States
23 May 07
yea I can't right see letting my kid get fried to prove a point. I have let my son fall off his bed a few times to teach him to stop jumping on it. I've also let my daugher lock herself in the cabinets a few times to teach her to stop playing in them. Those things to me aren't going to cause them harm and will teach them to stop doing it better than me telling them no and popping their fingers.