If you knew your child's teacher practiced witchcraft, would it matter to you?
@DesigningLife (903)
United States
June 26, 2007 9:42am CST
Would it matter to you if you knew your child's teacher (or other school staff member, little league coach, camp counselor, etc) was a practicing Witch, Pagan, or Wiccan?
Why or why not? What would you do, if anything, after you discovered this to be true?
On the flipside, if your child is attending public school, what would you do if you found out that school officials were talking with your child about their Christian, Catholic or other religious choices?
I have experienced both instances with my children (and myself as a child) in public schools. I am curious to know - without engaging in religious choice bashing please, if there is more, less or the about the same tolerance for individual differences in spirituality, than 20 years ago, and at what point people think an educator's spiritual or religious choice becomes "a problem" in need of action.
I wasn't sure if I should put this in Parenting, Religion, or Life, so please excuse me if I have it in the wrong area.
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@jmcafam (2890)
• United States
26 Jun 07
How I see it is if the teacher is doing there job, nice to the students, and not harming them it should not matter what they practice. It is a persons right to choose whichever their religion is. I don't think a teacher or student should be called out for the religion they practice. Not everyone is the same nor do they all have the same religion. What would I do if I found out that they practiced Pagan or Wiccan? I would probably do nothing. If school officials talked to my kids about their religious background I would want to know why it mattered at all what they were. I don't think I would be mad unless they said that whichever religon they studied was wrong. That is when I think they would step over the line because who is to say which practice is better then the other?
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@DesigningLife (903)
• United States
26 Jun 07
I agree with you. Thank you for your response. +
Smiles, DL
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@TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (4822)
• United States
26 Jun 07
Hello DL
Wow! You got some great responses, I understand your question and agree a whole bunch with the comments made above, but we can't hide our religion or put what we are in a closet and expect that it will remain there.
To open your discussion up, instead of all of the focus on the adults think about what the children of different religions are teaching the other children... How's that for a mind opener? Of course when children learn of the differences in some religions and the similarities between others and start blending them together you end up with a unification of religions, something that I believe in with a twist.
Be Blessed,
Sincerely,
Gary
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@TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (4822)
• United States
28 Jun 07
Well sort of, remember I put that word twist in their for a reason. I believe in a Solitary path where your religion is shaped by a belief that is founded in truth.
There is much I could say about what I believe and how religion should be taught. There is a process that you can go through to come to my understanding or you can listen to the teachers, ALL of them with the voice of truth and reason that can lead you to the knowledge to know peace and blessings beyond human reality and reasoning. Okay that is written as a complete contradiction, but the truth of GOD is a single truth, and understanding is simple, if GOD is at the center of your heart and mind, and if GOD is there then that is where you are when in the end there is nothing more but peace and glory, a fantastic life story... A job well done...
Peace and Blessings,
Sincerely,
Gary
@mmiller26 (1930)
• Canada
11 Dec 07
"Wow! You got some great responses, I understand your question and agree a whole bunch with the comments made above, but we can't hide our religion or put what we are in a closet and expect that it will remain there."
I kind of disagree. I grew up in a small town in the US Midwest that was very religious, but we never once discussed religion in school. We said the Pledge of Allegiance, and that was it. Religion didn't come up as a topic in school and teachers never alluded to it in any way. I think that is as it should be.
@DesigningLife (903)
• United States
27 Jun 07
Gary, Interesting idea for sure.
From what I have seen of kids my children have had as playmates, I think many kids are parroting what they witness at home and really have no clue what any of it means, but are taught - expected (by example maybe) to be "holier than thou" (for lack of a better term), disrespectful, intolerant, and judgmental of others without even having something valid (regarding the religious choices going by a different name than theirs) to go on.
Is this sort of along the lines of what you were thinking?
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@Stiletto (4579)
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26 Jun 07
It wouldn't bother me whether the teacher was Pagan, Wiccan, Christian, Muslim, Jewish or whatever. Their beliefs don't matter as long as they can do their job well and don't introduce any of their beliefs into the classroom. In my opinion religion has no place in school. If parents want children to be instructed in a particular religion then it's their responsibility to organise that outwith school hours.
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@Stiletto (4579)
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26 Jun 07
LOL yes - I think it would certainly cause some commotion and yet the only real difference between saying "I'll include you in my next ritual" or "I'll pray for you" is just a different set of beliefs. As I don't share either beliefs I would object to both statements.
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@DesigningLife (903)
• United States
26 Jun 07
Stiletto, I strongly agree with your statements.
I have had a school counselor tell my daughter she would "pray for her". I know it was probably meant in good faith but my questions were...what on earth did she see as a reason that my daughter needed "praying for" that no one ever shared with me, and in my mind, it was no different than someone saying they would include my child's needs in their next ritual spellwork...but to say something like the latter to a child in school would cause (I think) an awful commotion and potential outrage.
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@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
28 Jun 07
"Would it matter to you if you knew your child's teacher (or other school staff member, little league coach, camp counselor, etc) was a practicing Witch, Pagan, or Wiccan?"
- no not at all..but I'm Pagan myself as are others in our family
"What would you do, if anything, after you discovered this to be true?"
- nothing...I mean first off its not my business either way ya know HOWEVER if I found out the person in authority was belitting etc the children who ARENT Pagan/Wiccan/Witches etc etc hten I would have to step in and pipe up becuase I have serious issues with that...
"On the flipside, if your child is attending public school, what would you do if you found out that school officials were talking with your child about their Christian, Catholic or other religious choices?"
- They can talk to my kids about it all they want in a general fashion BUT as soon as it becomes offensive or "you're goin to hell if you dont believe as I do" type thing ca ca will hit the fan...
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@DesigningLife (903)
• United States
7 Jul 07
Thank you Raven, I agree with your views.
Plus, DL :)
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@EvanHunter (4026)
• United States
1 Jul 07
Well my sister has Wiccan beliefs and she is probably the most kind hearted person I know and the most positive to for all she has been through in her life. I dont think I would have a problem with it. As far as someone teaching them religion in public schools I dont think its right, public schools have a large diverse segment of religion in my area. I dont think we should ban all the books that have anything to do with religion or God in public schools but I do think we need to have teachers not preachers in schools. They are there to learn not gain religious faith. Thats something they should be taught at home or when they are of the age to decide. There is enough things going on at school that make it hard to learn in a public school without bringing religion into it also.
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@DesigningLife (903)
• United States
7 Jul 07
Evan, after thinking about this for a couple weeks I have to agree that school (IMO) should focus on academics. Spirituality, if any, should be left out of public schools.
Plus, Thank you, DL :)
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@dragonprincess99 (90)
• United States
27 Jun 07
I am pagan and I tell everyone I am if they ask.I believe kids should learn what religion they feel is right in their life and study different ones to know what they are getting into. I don't ever think of people teaching my kids and what their religion is. As long as it isn't pushed on my kids as the only way to live their lives. I have never been in the position where religion has ever been a problem for me or my kids.I was even a girl scout leader for 2 years. Some parents knew my religion and so did other leaders from other troops, it just wasn't an issue of any kind.I lived in a medium sized town and alot of people knew I was pagan and never had a problem with it.
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@DesigningLife (903)
• United States
27 Jun 07
Your post reminded me of a slumber party/bonfire I attended at the home of one of my classmates (along with other friends) around the age of 12. The child's mother (I didnt know this or what it was called at the time) followed the pagan ways. She taught us about colors, aura, life cycles, and many other things in such a way that was non-threatening to anything we already had in our minds, and at age-appropriate levels. I remember being sooo fascinated that I could never put it out of my mind completely for all the years that followed.
I was fortunate to have a Mother who did not place restrictions on me regarding what was "not ok" to learn about with respect to spirituality, and never implied that it was better to not use my own brain in order to simply follow the ideas she laid out for me. She happened to be Atheist but never made me feel as though it was wrong to be something other than that.
It's so good to hear that you did not experience any sort of disrespect for your beliefs, and that you are willing to share them when others ask.
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@dragonprincess99 (90)
• United States
29 Jul 07
My mom was a white witch, but never talked about her faith to any of us kids. She always kept it quiet, and forced us kids to go to church even though she didn't believe in the church herself.
About 3 years ago she started talking about it to me, because she knew I had become pagan with all the books I was ordering off Amazon. She has even taken one of my books and won't give it back, because she loves it so much.
I was also a registered Boy Scout and Cub Scout with my other 2 boys.
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@4monsters4me (2569)
• United States
30 Jun 07
I wouldn't be bothered if my child's teacher was a witch. I would be bothered if that teacher or any other tried to push their religion on my child. We are agnostic atheist and don't believe in religion.
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@DesigningLife (903)
• United States
7 Jul 07
I think you are my first agnostic respondent. Thank you for your insight. :) A plus.
@gloria777 (1674)
• India
27 Jun 07
I will not bother unless and until he gives problem to my kids. Everyone has his own right to practice any faith.
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@aretha (2538)
• United States
27 Jun 07
i think as long as they are good to the kids and doing a good job it shouldn't matter. i wouldn't allow it to be part of class but other then that it shouldn't matter.
my sons teather last year was horible and i didn't know anything about her and it didn't matter to me,what i did know was she sucked as a teather she was a very person but didn't do her job. she could of been practicing witch craft who knows but i sure hope next year he has a better teather.
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@DesigningLife (903)
• United States
27 Jun 07
Thank you for your response, I agree that if a teacher is doing a good job in educating, then it should not matter.
I'm not sure if you meant that only pagan ways should not be part of school or if any sort of religion should be left out of the classroom?
A plus, thank you.
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@PurpleTeddyBear (6685)
• Canada
17 Oct 07
In my opinion what matters most is that the teacher is a good teacher. As long as they are doing their job I could really care less what religion they are or aren't.
Have a good day!
PurpleTeddyBear!
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
6 Jul 07
I don't have children, but if I did it really wouldn't concern me what religion a teacher was...I'm of the Wiccan/pagan persuasion myself, so of course it wouldn't bother me...My concern would be how other parents might react if it were found out that the teacher of their children was Wiccan/pagan and the repercussions and problems it could cause toward the teacher, who might even be fired. While the pagan path has become a lot more acceptable in today's society, not all are accepting of it as they still might have the old stereotypical and erroneous viewpoints of witchcraft. On the flipside as you say, I also don't think it's right for a teacher to be talking about their religion to the children...especially in public schools since religion and religious concepts should be kept out of such schools...a private school is different perhaps, but not in a public one
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@DesigningLife (903)
• United States
9 Jul 07
yes, odd...maybe WitchVox has something. They seem to be right on the ball (no pun intended, lol). If I find anything I will post to your thread...
@DesigningLife (903)
• United States
7 Jul 07
I definitely agree with you...yes, my child did experience having Christian or whatever bible-based religion put to her from a public school counselor and I did not appreciate it in the least. My daughter came home and said, "Mom, she was really freaking me out".
Of course we will NEVER see a Christian teacher/staff member fired, nor even reprimanded for "imparting their faith" upon our children...how two-faced is that?!
Thank you, a plus.
PS, have you heard any updates regarding the outcome of the rally on July 4th? I have searched the net but found nothing in the news yet.
@pyewacket (43903)
• United States
8 Jul 07
Nope haven't heard anything about the rally ....did a look last night on sites, but nothing--strange in a way--would have liked to find out how it went too
@PackratsHouse (238)
• United States
27 Jun 07
What would bother me is if my child knew the religious belief of their teacher. The only way that could happen is if it was brought into the classroom where it does not belong.
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@DesigningLife (903)
• United States
27 Jun 07
Thank you, I would also wonder how my child knew the religious preferences of his or her teacher. Plus.
@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
30 Jun 07
I've always had the greatest respect for the Pagan belief. The facts are that during the Dark Ages in Europe when the Church was murdering Pagans by boiling them in oil, the Witches were the only Light in the World. If you had a health problem, if you needed help, your friendly Witch was willing and able. They knew herbal medicine, and could diagnose many simple ailments. Medical doctors had no training and were very few and far between.
@Galena (9110)
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27 Aug 07
medical doctors did have training. they were however very expensive, and not easily availiable.
most villages would have someone who knew remedies and midwifery. she (or he, but if it was he then he wouldn't be involved in birthing) would not in most cases be a Witch, although some people may have considered it bordering on Magic.
the Witch hunts in Europe did not in fact target Pagans. and it wasn't on anything like the scale people imagined. victims, like the rest of their community, would have been predominantly Christian, as that was by far the most common religion at the time. the Witchcraft spoken of in the trials was not Pagan in nature. and wasn't in itself a crime. people were not punished for practicing Witchcraft UNLESS it was used to cause harm. the punishment for causing harm by Witchcraft was Hanging.
and the men and women hung for Witchcraft were not Pagan.
@DesigningLife (903)
• United States
7 Jul 07
Very insightful input, thank you barehugs.
Plus, DL :)
@ashamilee (64)
• United States
28 Jun 07
We seperate church and state for a reason. I think that parents who are concerned with the religious background of their students teachers should spend the money to send the kids to a parochial school of their choice.
It doesn't bother me. I come from a very mixed family. Personally, I consider my self agnostic, but on my mothers side we have Christians, converted Jews, Buddhists. On my fathers side they're pretty much all practicing Catholics. And when I got married I married into a big group of practicing Pagans. As long as they don't push it this way, or on my children I'm good with anything.
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@DesigningLife (903)
• United States
7 Jul 07
Yes I agree about separating church and state, though it seems people are trying to further integrate it (as in presidential campaigns to gain popular votes etc).
Not sure how I missed your post up here before, sorry for the delay in responding. A plus.
Smiles, DL
@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
20 Dec 07
I'm sorry I am so long in finding this discussion. My take is that a person's spirtual path is their business, regardless of their profession. I respect all religions. I would get pissed if any peron of any religion tried to preach to my kid, regardless of religion.
I wonder if the question you asked was not a bit leading. "If a teacher is a witch....." or "If a teacher was preaching to my child about Christianity." the two scenarios are not the same.
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@highflyingxangel (9225)
• United States
18 Oct 07
Well, if I found out any of my child's teachers or what not where pagan or wiccan I wouldn't mind because I'm pagan myself. So, as long as they upheld their beliefs and were practising in love and trust, then it's no big deal to me. However, if they were talking to my child about our religious choices and were doing so in hopes to change their beliefs, I'd have to step in and put my foot down because that's a personal matter that should not be addressed by someone in their position. It's really none of their business.
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@serialmommy (639)
• United States
27 Jun 07
As long as the teacher is doing their job, and not trying to persuade my child to engage in one or the other, then I am o.k. with whatever their personal preference is. It is supposed to be seperation of church and state, and I firmly believe that is ALL churches; pagan, christian, muslim, jew, or other. I send my child to school to be taught on math, science, reading, english, social studies, with some art and music and phys ed thrown in. I believe that it is up to the parents to educate the child on their religious beliefs, and what they feel the child's choices are until they are of an age where they can choose for themselves.
@DesigningLife (903)
• United States
27 Jun 07
Very good points regarding maintaining separation between church and state and school curriculum. I have seen some Christians worry that demoralization will result if the concept of a Christian God is not somehow included, or if certain signs are taken off of public buildings, etc. It is a valid concern, however, I know personally that morality exists whether a person follows a certain religious path or not, and can be taught to children without the influence of any religion backing it up...usually done through fear tactics.
@carolscash (9492)
• United States
3 Sep 07
Things like this are exactly why I am thankful that I can home school my children. I would be deeply upset if I found out that anyone in an authority figure was a witch or anything like that. There are enough problems for them to deal with in life than to have to deal with a teacher that believes in such things.
@Galena (9110)
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3 Sep 07
why should the personal religious beleifs of anyone in authority even affect your children.
I doubt my friend who is a Witch and teacher, that her pupils even know.
why deeply upset? what harm would it do them.
Pagans are not evangelical, and as I said, they are unlikely to even know through their behaviour. you'd only find out through gossip.
they certainly wouldn't try and push their beleifs on the children.
and what exactly do you mean by "such things"
@DesigningLife (903)
• United States
4 Sep 07
Sorry I haven't been back here in a while...I have been building a new website and wah community...anyway, I'm sorry to hear that you are unfamiliar with the truth regarding witchcraft, paganism, etc, to the point that it seems to "worry or frighten" you.
I have to say that on more than a few occasions my children were very upset to have had such things as Christian beliefs pushed upon them by authorities in the public school system.
I'm glad you are able to homeschool your children, that must be a very rewarding experience.
@lancingboy (1385)
• United States
29 Sep 07
I've read through many homeschool texts and was very disappointed. They were all Christian based, and they got their facts wrong. Anyone going from homeschool into college will be dropping out unless they learn about seven years' worth of school in a short amount of time. No matter which homeschool place you look through, be assured that 98% are Christian based. I have not even found a normal homeschool company yet.
@cynddvs (2948)
• United States
26 Jun 07
It really wouldn't bother me as long as the teacher is doing a good job with my child. Of course I wouldn't want any sort of religion being tought to my daughter during school. I think religion should be taught at home by the parents. However I would be ok with religous studies in school as long as they taught all religions and didn't portray any religions to be right or wrong.
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@DesigningLife (903)
• United States
26 Jun 07
I'm happy to see that many hold the same views that I do. Thank you for your response. Plus.
Smiles, DL
@angelbaby16m20d (124)
• United States
26 Jun 07
Well to christians it would bother them because they go by the bible and it tells them that they should steer clear of people that practice witchcraft, satanism, paganism, etc... In their belief if you are not worshiping God then it is of Satan. Therefore it terrifies them. In my opinion I don't think it should really matter if they're a school teacher or not. As long as they didn't mention what they did to my child or try to convert them to doing something that I wouldn't approve of. In school I think that all beliefs should not be talked about so as to not cause conflict or problems with educating.
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@DesigningLife (903)
• United States
26 Jun 07
Thank you for responding. That is what I am wondering...how many are not ok with it, why, and what they would do if anything?
I'm not sure that it is right to say that it "would bother Christians" or that "Christians believe anything not of God is of Satan" as a blanket statement. I know many Christians, even on MyLot who are not judgmental about others' choices and some even understand that Witches and Pagans are not evil and want the same things that they do.
Thank you again for your response. Plus.